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Is the US responsible for trouble in Ukraine?

I have recently read some articles which indicate that the US had targetted Ukraine for regime change prior to Putin entering the country. It is difficult for me to believe that this information is not known to Rand Paul, yet he is not talking about it. Please review the following:
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-plans-patriotic-rallies-crimea...

http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/2013/12/monsanto-behind-ri...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/24/monsanto-ukraine-i...

If this is the case, it looks lie the US is accusing Putin of doing what we ourselves had in mind and Putin is simply protecting Ukraine as he should.



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Are the people of the United

Are the people of the United States responsible? NO!

Are the criminal agencies and directors who "Usurped" the United States Government guilty? Yes!

NOSHEEPLE

Yes Indeed

Yes indeed, and Putin has been preparing counter moves as the US set up the game.

Does the US/NWO really think they can beat Putin at this chess game? I don't think so. Putin will not let Russia be shoved into the mud period.

Putin I believe will play a honest chess game. It is the US/NWO that will get frustrated when they get check mated and will start the war.

Yes.

I believe the answer to your question is "yes."

I think it's DP'er goldenequity who posted a bunch of Stephen Cohen interview clips recently.

Cohen is an American expert on Russia and has offered some of the best informed, most objective context in his commentary lately. Here's one of the ones posted on DP yesterday in another thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RidLgMcRmPI#t=90

From the beginning...

I don't think these articles lead to that conclusion but check these out:

From 12/16/2013
http://www.strategic-culture.org/pview/2013/12/16/ukraine-na...

Same US backed uprising/overthrow as used in Egypt:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/01/07/us-ngo-uncovered-...

Asst Sec of State directly feeding opposition demonstrators:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/fuck-the-eu-frustra...

Asst Sec of State and US Ambassador to Ukraine discuss replacing government leadership:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-dip...

Opposition sniper shoots demonstrators, police and first responders in perfect US false flag style:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-telephone-conversation-u...

Ukraine handed over for IMF enslavement:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-23/ukraine-interim-lea...

Unconfirmed reports of Ukraine gold going west:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-10/was-price-ukraines-...

I guess I'm not alone

The Granger has impugned one web site I have linked to.

Therefore in order to confirm what they have said here is another closer to home:

Ron Paul Institute: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/...

The video article is entitled: "How NGOs Helped Plan Ukraine War"

At Global Research there are many contributors with a variety of political biases and one must take these into account. However they always provide links to sources so if one is diligent it is possible to come away with a good idea of the facts in any situation.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Yes.

Here are a couple of web sites with numerous backgrounders that will help to explain what is going on.

Global Research: http://www.globalresearch.ca

Land Destroyer: http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk

These three articles in particular will provide a good overview of the advancing Empire centred on the U.S. as its garrison state.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-advancing-empire-putsc...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-us-launches-a-fascist-g...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/history-is-repeating-itself-rus...

I thought it was widely known that the U.S. State Department has been deeply involved in Ukrainian politics since that country became independent in 1991. They were also the organisers of the "Orange Revolution" in 2004/5.

The infamous Assistant Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, is on the record as stating that they have spent $5 billion “in the development of democratic institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form of government.” in Ukraine. To what extent this involvement has contributed to the endemic corruption of the Ukrainian political class is a matter of conjecture but it would seem likely given the record of the U.S. in other countries.

In any event if you take the time to read the material I have linked to it should give you a start.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

By all means.

This admonition should apply to everything one reads.

The 'Rational Wiki" you linked to does not sound to me like a dependable source of information. It appears to confine itself to the usual outworn epithets like "conspiracy theories" and ad hominem attacks like "wing nuts" rather than, as its name would suggest, rational fact based arguments.

If this is a sample of where your opinions originate then I am not surprised that what you generally espouse is so incoherent. Perhaps you should try to widen your reading and entertain the possibility that you may well be mistaken in your allegiances.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

I LOVE conspiracy theory

It's one of my favorite forms of ENTERTAINMENT, but do I think it reveals THE TRUTH? No. Your site is bunk. As for wiki.. I have issues with wiki, however, I have no alternative that is based on anyone can edit.. and I've seen edit wars on wiki, still, wiki is the only source that has the ability to be challenged. To me, those who dis wiki and have NOTHING to replace wiki are programmed/brainwashed, which is usually accompanied by a arrogant, insulting attitude and name calling.

Congratulations David.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

"which is usually accompanied by a arrogant, insulting attitude and name calling."

Your link to Rational Wiki and your own post conclusively demonstrate the above character.

By using the term "wiki" you are not communicating anything of substance. If it is merely a contraction for Rational Wiki then possibly RatWiki or WikiRat would be better. However given the context of your post my guess would be that you are referring to the Wikipedia and if so I would agree with you. I often use it for confirmation and background.

wiki: a website that allows anyone to add, delete, or revise content by using a web browser.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Well then,

We can agree to disagree, respectfully.

My reference to rational wiki concerns your source, which leaves much to be desired by those who think beyond entertaining conspiracy theory.

No

Becky, the writer on BARR writes well, but she is making this a monsanto issue, which it is not. Your second link, Rueters tells you why:

Ukrainian laws bar local farmers from growing genetically modified crops. Asked whether Monsanto expected changes in regulations, Fedchuk said:

"Indeed, in Ukraine only conventional seeds are allowed for production and importation, thus we will be working with conventional seeds only." (Reporting by Olzhas Auyezov; Editing by Michael Roddy)

"thus we will be working with conventional seeds only".

Still, globalization has many layers, treaties, personal relationships, agendas witinin agendas. Controlling the resources, ports, security, legal tender, enables nations to control the trade.

Russia controlling the Ukrain could force GMO crops, and it could be Monsanto under a Russia brand name. http://government.ru/en/department/59/

Kinda Like..

...how so-called sustainable-development is a "brand name" front for the U.N. Agenda 21...

https://northtexasagainstunagenda21.wordpress.com/2012/11/02...

It's part of the title

UN Agenda for the Twenty-first Century: Sustainable Development

http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/641Sy...

There are...

...many sustainable development initiatives in the U.S. that do not acknowledge the Agenda 21 connection in their titles. Of course the U.N. one does. The point was that there are many of these projects that simply use the friendly term of sustainable development and do not, in fact, disclose the U.N. Agenda 21 connection.

Yeah?

How do you figure they just came to the idea "sustainable development" with no consideration for the UN Agenda? How bog of a coincidense is it?

I'm figuring...

...it's exactly how they came to it. But there are those in this country who will support sustainable development initiatives without understanding that the U.N.'s Agenda 21 underpins those initiatives.

I agree with that

Though I think people are waking up.