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Facts about Slavery most people fail to consider!

1. The vast majority of slaves were captured during tribal wars and sold into slavery by their rival tribes.

2. 365,000 Union soldiers died in the war that freed the slaves. If one's great grandfather died in that war, are they due reparations and compensation from black people? Have you ever heard a black person express gratitude for the sacrifices made by the Union soldiers and the public tax money it took to fight that war.

3. Less than 20% of European Americans owned slaves. Today, most Americans have never seen a slave and never been a slave. Therefore modern day Americans can not be held accountable for what a few of their neighbor's ancestors did 200 years ago.

4. Most American blacks decided they like America better than Africa and haven't tried to return to their homeland. Therefore, blacks whose ancestors were slaves are the lucky ones, compared to blacks who are still living in Africa. Certainly if people don't like it here, they, like all races are free to leave and return to their native land.

5. Slave labor jump started the Industrial Revolution which was critical in winning the world wars of the 1900's. Therefore, that contribution by African Americans should be recognized, else we could now, all be speaking German or Russian.

6. Throughout history many many people have been enslaved including the House of Israel that was enslaved 400 years in Egypt.

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Yes, but...

they were free on paper. The Denver Broncos were supposed to win the superbowl, on paper, lol.

Africans That Traded Slaves

Africans That Traded Slaves
By Lorelei Nettles

Slavery was nothing new to Africa.

Slavery has been around almost since the beginning of time in one form or another, and was not new in Africa. African tribes, especially in the western regions, were not unaccustomed to dealing in such trading, and often domestically traded slaves among tribes as indentured servants. It is little surprise that they easily transitioned into trading to outsiders when offered the right price by European, Arab and American slave traders. There were several reasons for trading slaves within the tribes, but contrary to many people's beliefs, it was not uncommon.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8593403_africans-traded-slaves.html

Lies compound like central banking interest

"1. The vast majority of slaves were captured during tribal wars and sold into slavery by their rival tribes."

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-t...
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Sugar was an important commodity and Barbados rapidly converted from an English style of agriculture with small farms growing
crops, cotton and tobacco, to a few landowners who grew sugarcane
and monopolised most of the land.
Sugarcane required l arge numbers of labourers to grow, harvest and process, and initially the planters employed convict and indentured servants from Britain and a few African "servants".
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Back to this:
"1. The vast majority of slaves were captured during tribal wars and sold into slavery by their rival tribes."

Why does someone have an interest in segregating organized crime into two compartments that is offered as White Crime and Black Crime?

The Criminals benefit from such categorizing as the Criminals may be black or white and the criminals may be cooperating with each other, black criminals cooperating with white criminals, while the victims are led to believe that it is a good idea for the white victims to fight with the black victims.

Had the indentured servants in America cooperated with the slaves in America, black indentured servants cooperating with white indentured servants, white slaves cooperating with black slaves, the criminals with their criminal flags may have had a harder time with their version of organize crime hidden behind their False Flag.

The East India Company (so called) was in the slave business in overt ways, and in covert ways, and those who were on that side of things may have been those who happened to be darker in skin color as well as those in that slave business who were lighter in skin color. Their flag was recognizable.

Back to the link offered:
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In addition to the African companies, other companies set up under Royal charters were involved in the slave trade. For example, the East India Company was involved in the East African slave trade but also collected slaves from the West Coast of Africa for its settlements in South and East Africa and in India and Asia.
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The Flag:
https://flagspot.net/flags/gb-eic2.html

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2. 365,000 Union soldiers died in the war that freed the slaves. If one's great grandfather died in that war, are they due reparations and compensation from black people? Have you ever heard a black person express gratitude for the sacrifices made by the Union soldiers and the public tax money it took to fight that war.
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The Revolutionary War was won against the British Organized Crime Gang, and between 1776 and 1787 Slaves could legally run away from one Constitutional Republic and find sanctuary in another Constitutional Republic, and the example proving that to be true was provided by Daniel Shays as Daniel Shays ran from slavery in Massachusetts into Liberty in Vermont.

The British Organized Crime Gang then took steps to enforce slavery in America. Those steps taken were later called The Dirty Compromise and/or The Constitutional Convention: both labels are used, one is true, the other is false.

The Dirty Compromise was a deal made between Slave Traders in the North (who may have been darker or lighter skinned themselves) and and Slave Traders in the South. The Dirty Compromised ensured the eventual battle between States over which States took the most from the slaves in the Union.

The Slave Traders in the South opted out of the Union because the Slave Traders in the North were taking more from the Slaves in the South than the Slave Traders in the South could afford to allow at that time in those places now called (falsely) The Civil War.

It was not Civil. It was the definition of the opposite of civility.

The so called "war that freed the slaves" there are actual facts that can be know, because those facts are written down in the official record.

Example:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amend...

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Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
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That is an official order to obey without question; which is how Slave Traders define the meaning of slavery to their slaves.

"3. Less than 20% of European Americans owned slaves. Today, most Americans have never seen a slave and never been a slave. Therefore modern day Americans can not be held accountable for what a few of their neighbor's ancestors did 200 years ago."

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/

If you do not obey without question you will obey.

Compare the actual measures of accurate reality with the false offers of legal fiction? The highest paid welfare recipient can be known accurately as that handout flows to that recipient in the form of something called a Bailout.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/the-bigg...

The POWER stolen from American Tax payers flows as welfare payments to welfare recipients foreign and domestic? You can blame me for twisting English words - of course.

Quantitative Easing and Extraordinary Rendition are not my inventions.

"4. Most American blacks decided they like America better than Africa and haven't tried to return to their homeland. Therefore, blacks whose ancestors were slaves are the lucky ones, compared to blacks who are still living in Africa. Certainly if people don't like it here, they, like all races are free to leave and return to their native land."

America was a place where runaway slaves could run to, once upon a time, and here in this country other people welcomed genuinely helpful people. The last case of a slave finding sanctuary from Slave Traders in this country could be known accurately, measurably, leaving no room for doubt as to the actual facts of the matter. Daniel Shays, for example, ran from his homeland in Massachusetts into his new homeland in Vermont. That is a competitive example of one of, if not the last, runaway slave running to Liberty in this country.

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5. Slave labor jump started the Industrial Revolution which was critical in winning the world wars of the 1900's. Therefore, that contribution by African Americans should be recognized, else we could now, all be speaking German or Russian.
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http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_FD...
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

The North Slave Traders who made a deal (The Dirty Compromise or The Constitutional Convention in accurate or false English as you may prefer) with the Southern Slave Traders were the Central Banking Slave Traders tied with The Bank of England - they, the Norther Slave Traders "won" the "Civil War" capturing all the slaves, black, white, red (not the types to be enslaved well, so they were exterminated for the most part), or shades in between.

Those Central Banking types have been busy since, they speak many languages, including Falsehood.

"5. Slave labor jump started the Industrial Revolution which was critical in winning the world wars of the 1900's. Therefore, that contribution by African Americans should be recognized, else we could now, all be speaking German or Russian."

Speaking of falsehoods, the beginning of that offer of falsehood is particularly destructive as if something bad can ever be credited with any accurate measure of goodness. Lies compound like central banking interest.

"6. Throughout history many many people have been enslaved including the House of Israel that was enslaved 400 years in Egypt."

Throughout history the slaves are enslaved by false confidence in lies that work against all attempts to know better. Here is a particularly insidious lie. A House cannot be enslaved. Ask one, let me know what the house says.

Please.

Joe

Lets not forget about Liberia.

Lets not forget about Republic of Liberia that Americans took and gave back to the Black man in 1820. We gave them a Republic and our Constitution and look at what they have done to it.
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"We gave," "the Black

"We gave," "the Black man"

Jesus, do you realize how you sound? You reveal yourself too much sir.

Are you from the south?

I'm not sure what else you would call it. (We) The American People fought to take a land from one group of black men and payed another that was also most likely purchased from the lawful owner in the first place. Which as stated above was originally sold by another black tribe. To move back to Africa. So they did not return themselves and they did not pay for the new land. So the land must have been given by "WE" the people of the United States of America. And to insure their success we gave them a working Government that was destroyed faster then it was given because they all wanted to be King.
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I see how America could have given Jesus to anyone being the county did not exist two thousand years ago?
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I'm afraid you are showing yourself...

Ya Think

slavery ended with the U.S. Civil War? Ha, that's funny. With a sweep of the hand, poof its gone. It has always been prevalent and still is, disguised of course. Say for instance, and this is only one instance, you, pay 30% in taxes... you start making your own money say about June sometime of each and every year. Well then I guess you are only a "part-time" slave... never mind. Think you can just be born, breath and walk the earth without paying something (labor if nothing else)to your "betters". "Well it may be the devil or it may be the lord, but you're gonna have to serve somebody." Bob Dylan

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

Did you know Columbus actually went to court.

For buying slaves ? Yes, the first thing the natives sold him after leaving the Caribbean was slaves. It was illegal at that time for Spanish/Portuguese to trade slaves without the consent of the government. In fact the man that snitched on him DID THE EXACT SAME THING. I can't think of his name right now.

People also fail to remember

People also fail to remember that the suffering under slavery is not unique to African Americans.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

The powers that be prefer to forget or try to rewrite history, as it perpetuates race wars. Keep the poor folk bickering amongst themselves about race, instead of rising up against the elite who have been waging not a race war, but a class war.

The same as it always was.

One more point

"Slavery" is not illegal nor immoral biblically. There are even rules concerning slaves and masters as well as clear reasons someone would become a slave.

Stealing a person is illegal though. And as you say it was other black tribes who stole them and sold them into slavery.

I wouldn't go that far

It wasn't illegal or immoral....in biblical times historically but that doesn't mean the Bible endorses it. The Bible simply reports the actions of mankind in those days.

Here is a good long read if you are interested: http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&a...

Also, don't forget it was a white evangelical Christian in Britain that started this whole ball rolling to end the slave trade, William Wilberforce.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Scripture is not bound by time

To say that it "simply reports the actions of mankind in those days" is false. There is no time limit on Scriptural teaching. Slavery will always exist in some form or another and Scriptural teaching on the subject has not changed and it is still not immoral or sinful.

Unfortunately men do not follow Scripture but are brutal and man stealers. White or Black. Slavery hasn't ended, it has just been exchanged for another form. Still just as involuntary and brutal.

History is

bound by time and there are many parts of the Bible that report history.

I agree that you won't find much in the Bible that condemns slavery in general. This does not mean the Bible (or God) approves of it. That's the point I was trying to make and you want to be careful with that.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

The point is

Slavery has always existed and still does. It has different forms but slavery is slavery. Scripture NEVER said "Thou shall not have servants/slaves" but instead gave guidelines on how to treat servants and how a servant should act towards his/her master.

If the bible said at any time that slavery was a sin then would you then say it was only "reporting history"? No, of course not. The statement "There were slaves." is an example of Reporting History. The statement "Here is how you treat a slave." is a teaching.

My point is valid that their is no Scriptural objection to slavery, only in how slaves are treated and/or acquired. Being careful doesn't mean always saying what makes people feel good. Just sayin.

Anyway we now know each others point. :-)

The Bible

also gives exceptions for divorce but that doesn't mean it endorses divorce. God knew what man was capable of so some guidelines had to be laid out.

This is similar to slavery. Also it depends on how you define sin. Romans 3:23 says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Does it glorify God to enslave another human? I would say no.
The Law (Thou shalts) was given to help man behave better but ultimately, in the new testament Jesus came and fulfilled the law so and now for those who are in Christ "there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free."

This is the ultimate sin decider. "So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin." James 4:17

The Law had its purpose but you shouldn't use it as a justifier of slavery throughout history.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

You are speaking from emotion and I understand that.

But Scripture doesn't back you up. And to be honest the misunderstanding of the many forms of slavery is what helps to keep us enslaved to forces with which we do not agree. Pointing that out is NOT "justifying" every form of slavery.

Divorce was, by Moseh, instituted for the hardness of their hearts but in the New Testament Messiah Himself said that divorce and remarriage is adultery. He had no apparent concerns about slavery though but Paul had a few things to say about it.

Also some people volunteered for slavery. Would you deny them their right to make that decision?

Eph 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

1Co 7:20,21 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.

Col 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:

Exo 21:5,6 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

No sir. You are focusing on one form of slavery which ends up enslaving us all. How does that glorify GOD?

You are confusing

I have no idea where you are coming from. Why is slavery something to be glorified or lifted up?

I'm not sure how pointing to the differences in the Old and New testament is "speaking from emotion". Sure people can volunteer for slavery, some had to in order to pay off debts. Shoot we could say that credit cards are a form of slavery today. But what I am trying to figure out is why you seem to want to promote it as a good thing.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Never mind dude.

I have not "promoted" or "glorified" anything. I am simply stating facts.

Perhaps I should ask you why you promote and glorify our current institutionalized system of slavery. But I'm not because this is getting no where.

:-)

Well the answer is

I don't promote or glorify our current institutionalized system of slavery. But thats a whole other convo.

I guess what I was getting at is the Bible has a purpose and using it to back up slavery whether its in biblical times or the civil war era isn't its purpose.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

The slaves taken to the New World were the lucky ones

All you have to do is read the historical accounts written during that time period. Black slaves in Africa were often eaten, and slaves were sacrificial victims when there owner died.
The European slave trade was run by Jews who acted as intermediaries for Muslim slave traders.
Captain Canot 20 Years of an African Slaver
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/23034/23034-h/23034-h.htm

Read the free first hand account of what really went on.

#1 has always

intrigued me...and there is still this hatred between rival tribes on that continent. Disturbing.

Another interesting tid-bit is that after the Proclamation many slave-owners were financially destitute - many slaves chose to stay on the plantations to help the plantation owners stay afloat. There are also stories told that many former slaves saw the plantations as their homes, the plantation owners as their families. You can read such stories in the autobiographies of former slaves such as Josiah Henson and Booker T. Washington.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

joeneesima--

Ralph Waldo has told me that I won't accept any opinions (or it appears that way to him) other than my own.

I have admitted to him that my response to his OP has been angry.

I hope my response to you will be more calm.

and there is still this hatred between rival tribes on that continent. Disturbing.

Your point: Have you experienced this yourself? Or seen it on the media? Have you seen hatred and tribal rivalry in Europe? India? Asia? Anywhere else in the world? Do you think this is only a problem in Africa? If so, where is the evidence?

Another interesting tid-bit is that after the Proclamation many slave-owners were financially destitute

your point--

My assertion: The Civil War was meant not only to divide the south and the north and destroy the south (not just because of slavery, because the north benefitted as much from slavery as did the south), but to impoverish the southerners, so that African Americans could not really be freed. Northerners treated African Americans no better than southerners, and the resentment towards them came from both 'sides'.

many slaves chose to stay on the plantations to help the plantation owners stay afloat.

Your point--

My assertion/observation: They had no other livelihood; they had been enslaved for how many decades/centuries, uneducated, unable to read, completely dependent upon the 'owners'/masters; where were they to go? A few who were taught special skills were actually able to leave; some of them, out of true respect for former/dead masters would remain on; it was mutually beneficial for a time, possibly, in some cases, but they were not 'free'.

This same intense loyalty that serfs (English peasants are the best example up to about the 1920s, and even then many continued to be extremely loyal) showed to European masters was not so very different.

The idea that the relationship between Africans and Africans was any different (in terms of aggression, violence, economic destabilization) from that between Europeans and other Europeans shows that the European feudal system from which many of *our* (if we are Europeans) ancestors escaped to America--

shows that *we* are not familiar with the circumstances from which our ancestors escaped. Many of them respected and even loved their masters; that didn't make feudalism right. A young lord could have his way with almost any peasant girl and often did, and she had to bear the brunt of it. Some were good, just as some slave masters were good; there was very little difference, except skin color. Sometimes, because they were all white, serfs could escape. It didn't often or always happen, but the possibility existed. Because skin color denoted slavery, it was more difficult for African Americans who were enslaved.

I have accounts of my ancestors who were 'servants'/peasants in England who loved their 'squire'/lord. That was good of them; perhaps the squire was fair, whatever that meant. But I'm glad they made it out of England. Australia was peopled by English and Irish "outlaws", some of whom stole bread, because their children were starving. These people were looked down upon as much by the wealthy then as African Americans (before and after the Civil War) were and have been by wealthy white people (or middle class ones in both cases).

Caste, class, economic stratification--

exists; its existence does not make it Godly, nor right. Nor moral. When it is based upon skin color or ethnic group of physical characteristics (within a group, such as Asian or native American, where skin color is not as prominent a feature as other characteristics), it can be even more difficult to overcome.

I'll use Dr. Paul's argument here. How would *we* feel if China were to come to Texas, take over some of our land and tell us what to do there?

How did Africans respond when Europe came in and claimed Africa and began to exploit African tribes?

That's where the mess started, and many of the European empires thrived on the backs of African labor long before Africans began to come to America as slaves.

And, yes, there were different kinds/ethnic groups that participated in slavery. Many Americans love to point out that some were Muslim.

But there were also many Christians.

I think there may have even been a few who were Jewish, though I've only just heard that and have no proof of it. I won't stand behind that assertion.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Correct!

I've often wondered if black on black crime is a genetic carry over. There does seem to be some hidden animosity.

Certainly the movie "Roots" didn't represent the true and complete relationship between blacks and white. Even today in the south you can find many examples of kindness between the races, but of course acts of kindness and benevolence are rarely reported.

Blacks have proven they can accomplish anything a white man can including aviation, sports and politics. However like most whites, because of a deficit in public education, they do not have a good understand of this period of history.

do you suppose that it was a genetic 'carry over' that . . .

caused the English and French to be able to kill Germans in WWI and WWII--

*tongue in cheek*

Some kind of gene that Germans have that causes them to start wars--

*perverted humor*

Yes, I am part German; ancestors who were middle class who came from Hamburg in the 1850s.

I'll stop now, Ralph.

*trying to lighten things up*

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Another fact.

Native americans had the biggest slave holdings up until 1840 in the whole of the west. Still till this day they are blocking black people from joining native nations because of this.

Generations ago...

During the last 100 generations, a lot of ancestors of mine must have caused harm to others, or have been harmed by others. I'm simply not going to waste my entire life trying to find out who would owe what from me or to me - if I could find it out in any case. Good and bad things have happened generations ago, get over it.

Plus you are not legally responsible for what some one else does

even if they did it today. Therefore you are certainly not legally responsible for what others did two hundred years ago. Using the logic of mass reparations, one could also claim black's should reimburse the government for the cost of the civil war as well as compensate the descendants of those that died in the civil war.

Nothing racial prejudice in this thinking only legal logic that most people don't consider.

Plus have you ever heard a black acknowledge the constitution and the Revolutionary War that produce it which provides the rights they so adamantly claim. "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men were created equal" was used by MLK in his famous speech but it was written by a European American who risked his life to make it become a reality.

Christ almighty just about

Christ almighty just about every one of those bullet points is sheer nonsense or utterly stupid points that don't have any bearing on any position whatsoever.

So the Hebrews were enslaved thousands of years ago. Well, I guess the African slave trade was just normal then. Guess we can stop thinking it was so bad. What the fuck is the point of your idiotic rambling?

The point

he is making is slavery in the U.S. isn't unique or special. People have been enslaved throughout history.

What has happened in the U.S. is a shame because the government has now made an entire race of people believe they need to be dependent on them to survive. This isn't the case, there is no reason black folks can't thrive as much as any other race but look around in most predominantly black cities in America.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul