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Beware the Filter Bubble, Guys

I don't want the Daily Paul to be a Rand Paul filter bubble. The last two cycles we had an echo chamber, which was neither very helpful, nor interesting.

Without being an echo chamber, can we also manage to be civil? That is what I would like to see.


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SteveMT's picture

I'm surprised that this guy's talk escaped the TED filter,....

...and wasn't banned like so many others have been banned. Why does he get a standing O?
http://www.naturalnews.com/041931_TED_talks_censorship_consc...

His talk was more of a plea than it was a talk, and not a very forceful plea at that. He seems to be timidly requesting (as in begging) internet freedom from the big web guru's attending than he is demanding it. He offers no solutions for this filtering like using multiple search engines and different search terms. Perhaps this how "a progressive" demands internet freedom, by begging.

The gold standard net search term remains intact (I think?).

ixquick search: Ron Paul
44,300,000

Google search: Ron Paul
216,000,000

I've also noticed some 6 year old ALT accounts activated

After presumably being used for the last 6 years to modify votes and manipulate articles on the DP.

Perhaps these new ALTS have something to do with the lack of civility?

Google ron or rand paul washington free beacon

And you will see nothing but attacks on Ron and Rand.
The Washington Free Beacon is run by Bill Kristol's son-in-law.

Google ron or rand paul jennifer rubin
Try ron paul anne coulter
Try rand paul bill kristol

The resistance to our movement in general is all coming from the same Neo-Con, Likudist sources which is interesting.

Here's a pro-Rand and anti-Rand piece from an Israeli daily-They provide a clear understanding of the AIPAC crowd's likes and beefs with Rand and Ron as well, these guys are from the US, but they would never write this stuff here, it is very illuminating:
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.536283
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.572238

Anyone can bust filters. I always avoid the MSM bubble and interviews linked to Rand which as Nystrom pointed out have been dominating the DP lately, ie Rand on Fox, Rand on CNN, Rand on CBS, etc. I look past the filters in order to find different perspectives.

I also find that you get more hard information out of print articles and speeches than MSM softball or gotcha journalism.

Often, some of the best DP links are the contentious ones downvoted into oblivion. Some of the religious articles, the last one on dual citizenship had some great arguments pro and con.

I never use Google.

I use Startpage (highly recommended). But for you I did a search on both. Daily Paul came up number three on both - pPretty impressive....!

TED...

Is like the watercooler in the basement of an ivory tower.

Isn't this just a little ironic....

Considering the name of this site and the banning on new registrations? This reminds me of the same move RPFs did before it totally went to the dogs. (What was once RON PAUL FORUMS, became Rand Paul -- sell your ass for power forums. Or my personal fav; send us money and we'll free you!)

Fact is without our "bubble" we are just individuals making no progress except in our own lives. This site actually brings us together under a banner and a philosophy. If this cannot be seen for what it is than go ahead.

Allow anyone with enough money to flood your board with paid opinions. Because eventually that will be the outcome.

There is so many ways to do it too:
Religion being number 1
Philosophy being number 2

Once you fracture the group with passion, all is lost. This site has an incredible base because for the most part people have to duke out the ideology which galvanizes the cause.

We all know statism is wrong. We just need to find out what are the best arguments for why. Tipping the scales in favor for a facade of humility will just invite moderates with an axe to grind.

People need to keep in mind -- we have made more enemies than friends. You cannot take the gold away from the theif and expect him to understand. He's a fucking theif. End of story.

Startpage

Use start page for a clean search!

Great talk. Yet I can't escape the irony

That he is giving a talk at TED

.. which is a perfect example of 'information bubble creation' itself.

TED censors out any speakers and ideas that do not conform to their own political and financial agendas which are (BIG SURPRISE) not only almost exclusively Progressive?

But also in many cases intrinsically linked to big money interests that influence who gets to speak and about what.

ie. TED has banned any talks about the dangers of GMO.

I enjoy many of the presentations but (like so much in the modern era):

Much of what really matters is Unseen by design.

He is right about this. It

He is right about this. It is our responsibility as users of the internet to use it not only responsibly, but to maximize its potential. What really frightens me is when a liberal (will) come along with a *great* idea to force internet companies that they can't apply filters. That type of legislation is more dangerous than the filter itself, and is ultimately why we will lose the internet entirely, or worse yet, have it turned totally against us if we don't use it maximize its potential for commuinication.

A good experience

to get an idea of where your interneting has become a microcosm of a world populated by just yourself is to get out there and do precinct-level campaigning. You need spend some shoe leather to meet those people who say they like your candidate, then see your precinct's actual voting numbers. It's very telling.

I think the posters here, on average, should be more aware of the bubble we're in than some other internet communities. Look at the huge percentage of INTJ personality types here compared to how often that occurs in the general population. Go ahead and type those letters into the search...no, type "personality profile" into the search. Typing INTJ would be a bit of a filter, no? Heck, the choice of wording for "personality profile" might also be INTJ-ish and still be a similar filter. This isn't the only forum where I've found myself surrounded by INTJ's.

But anyhow many of us know we don't represent the way most people are and that we've used the internet to seek out people with shared interests because we're unlikely to find them next door. It's the more mainstream people who are most in danger of not realizing what a comfortable talk show/Fox News/redstate or NPR/MSNBC/Huffington bubble they've created for themselves.

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Of course, I'm talking about aspects of interneting that have always been in place. That algorithms are further shrinking the bubbles we've chosen is good information. There are times I'll go into something like a CNN forum to see what the masses are up to. It's good to know that may have been refined a bit for me, instead of assuming it's not.

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It's begun.
It can't be undone.
The watchers are now being watched.

The Rand Paul Filter Bubble

I understand how a "filter bubble" works. This would explain why many people have not heard of the principles that I, speaking for myself, believe in. I also have knowledge on how a web crawler and search engine works. I do all I can to avoid any website from collecting information on what it thinks I want to see without going as far as IP spoofing or proxy. One being I browse in a "private window" so my computer will not save any history, cache, cookies, etc. Second, DO NOT stay logged into a service as you browse. I see this all the time that people are logged into Google while surfing Google or Youtube. You are giving them easy information linked directly to you. Also, see those "Like" buttons all over the web for Facebook? It is very easy for them to track what sites you are on if you stay logged into Facebook by those like buttons. Youtube video players can do the same. I don't have proof they are doing this, but I know it is possible. Third, when doing a Google or search engine query, talk to the computer not like it is a human. For example, if I were going to search for "parks to jog with my dog in Cleveland, Ohio", I would enter into a search engine "parks trails Cleveland Ohio" and avoid the words such as "to", "with" or "my" because just about every information website on the internet has those words and you will get results you are not looking for.

Rand Paul IS NOT his father. It was nearly impossible to argue with the principles Ron Paul spoke about. The only criticism I saw here towards Ron Paul was how he handled his campaigns. Rand Paul's views on some issues are not entirely consistent with his fathers. So, I have to ask. Do you agree totally with your parents views? I most certainly do not but I would help my father succeed in his endeavors just like he would help me.

As for the Daily Paul being a Rand Paul "filter bubble", I think we need both sides of the spectrum here. The Daily Paul needs people who are absolutely against what Rand Paul is doing and those who totally agree with his position. Rather than calling names and denouncing people for their views, we need to talk them out in meaningful debate. Even if you don't change the mind of the person you are debating, you may change the mind of the person who reads your arguments. Nothing good has come from suppressing debate no matter how painful it may be.

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Thank you

I knew about a frustrating filter bubble but too dumb to figure out how to avoid it. Thank you for your tips, I appreciate patience when people are gracious and kind.

I make sure to always log

I make sure to always log into google when using chrome. I love having my bookmarks up to date across all my devices. I'm also a huge fan of seeing ads for video games instead of tampons.

I knowingly and willingly offer my browser data as I know they use it to enhance my own experience (which I am well aware benefits them also since the ads are more relevant). There is a massive difference between this and being spied on without my knowledge and against my will with no way out.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Mushroom Cloud

This is how they scorched Goldwater - the Rand of his day - back in '64:


http://youtu.be/d7GgtzWNGik)

"He's weak on defense!"

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Rand Paul 2016 :)

Rand Paul 2016 :)

I'm not sure that this idea of 'filter bubble' applies to the DP

I think of the DP as more of an accumulation point. I come here BECAUSE I know the people here will post things that I find interesting. I don't trust Google. Google and the other search engines are the new gatekeepers. I don't believe for a second the speaker's contention that these search engines are filtering stuff for our convenience. The fact that top search engines 'hits' are paid for (by someone) is evidence enough to support that contention. OTOH I DO trust the people at DP (mostly) to both filter that in which I am not interested, and more importantly find (by whatever means) and distribute that in which I AM interested (thus the accumulation aspect). The Spooks and TPTB are all over the Internet now. It took them a while to adjust to the technological change, but they are making up for lost time with plenty of FIAT MONEY. This site and others like it constitute a subnet under OUR control. If you want to shop for something, use GOOGLE. If you want to investigate technical issues, use Google. If the subject you want to investigate involves something the Establishment wants to twist, spin, obscure or obfuscate, STAY AWAY. Come here instead.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Interesting

But this site relies on participation.

How will participation skew? I still think we're caught in a pro- Rand filter bubble here.

I guess if anyone is going to have to balance it out, it is going to have to be me.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

If Rand does manage to secure the nomination

or even a good shot at it, it is quite possible that the DP will be a significant player. Sounds exciting but I'm not sure I would want to wish it on you. Pro - Rand, you say? It doesn't seem like a flak free environment to me.

Leges sine moribus vanae

Right on!

Regarding the video: An inherently unfiltered web experience is the added benefit to using online privacy tools (http://prism-break.org/en/). For example, using StartPage instead of Google will eliminate such personalized web searches. I stopped using Google for at least a couple years now with zero regrets, and it was largely for this reason.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Bonus question

Can you identify your own filter bubble?

Honestly, I've got a weird one. We probably all do.

But because I grew up in Seattle, I'm a liberal at heart. I grew up hating Reagan, hoping against hope for Dukakis, (ack!)

Waste of time that was. I'm sure you can all agree, I was wasting time, rooting for Dukakis. I had no idea why. Just because everyone around me was. I was a robot.

And then I "woke up." But then I found that, like in Inception, you can wake up from waking up. And I know some people around here have woken up, too. And what I observe is that we've woken up in different places.

So like that Eagle's song goes, wherever you've ended up, or whatever you've woken up to, just remember that whatever you went through - whether it was supporting Dukakis or supporting Ron Paul, that it wasn't really wasted time.

And now, I'm back to thinking it doesn't matter anymore.

Like the Zen saying:

Before I had studied Zen for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters.

All he's saying is he saw it - from pole to pole.

Can you look through a glass onion?

Let's try it. That would be interesting.

Let's see if this guy is for real or not.

Let's look at how we're getting filtered.

Media is going to watch us. Let's watch the media, watching us.

It would be interesting to see everyone's Rand Paul's Google Screen Shot. I'm going to do it.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Truth is

I never considered a major party in my life, hated both, and I worked very hard for decades as a libertarians and indy, it almost makes me dizzy looking back at how hard I WORKED to open debates, get ballot access, and issues..

It actually made me sick to check the Republican box on the voter registration. Whatever it was going to take, I did ALL I could to get Ron paul the nomination.. 07/08 as an Indy.. 11 I joined the GOP.

The GOP is not what I thought it was. Whatever idea you have about the GOP, you apply your filter bubble. It's why I got sick. And I was afraid. Now that I'm in the GOP.. it's a whole new ballgame, and I'm glad I'm in the GOP, and yeah, we have work to do, but it's from a better position than ever as an indy. So I THANK Ron Paul for the invitation (hard medicine, but good.. politically very good).

Rand is all over MSM.. so it's not like Ron at all. I appreciate the posts about Rand, but I don't make any topic posts about Rand. Doubt I will. And I'm pretty sure next year at this time we should experience another GJ bubble :D

I hear you...

...on the Inception thing, waking up after waking up...

I was the opposite, enamored with Reagan as a kid in the 80s, with his optimism and leadership, and I still admire him in many ways. But then I kind of got sucked into the whole authoritarian, mainline conservative, interventionist, Teddy Roosevelt kind of outlook, largely under the influence of talk radio and the echo chamber of friends and family.

Then I partially woke back up to the Constitution and saner foreign policy through Pat Buchanan's challenging of the Iraq War and his analysis of the follies that led to WWI and WWII.

Then Dr. Paul woke me up to a deeper appreciation of Liberty and precipitated my shedding my authoritarian views even further in 2008.

This focus on Liberty and the idea of r3VOLution woke me to a deeper focus on Love as the key, and ended up sending me on a path which brought seismic shifts in my theological, philosophical outlook

And this Liberty focus has intensified through further reading of Rothbard, etc. to the point of my teetering on the fence between minarchism and An-cap thinking -- which would have been absurd to me not long ago to consider myself almost a Christian 'anarchist'.

Lots of filter layers broken through. :)

I just looked in the mirror ...

Daily Paul Dittos -

I woke up ( am waking up ) in just the same manner.

As for my spiritual Path ~ I am walking with the Buddah, and coming from Roman Catholicism it has been a very long walk thus far.

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Go to bed Michael!

It's late and you need your beauty sleep.

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jrd3820's picture

When I googled Rand Paul

This was the 2nd link to show up

Maybe the dailypaul is how I am filtered....

http://www.dailypaul.com/rand

Things that make you go hmmmm......

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2nd, really? For me it is 3rd

First is his Senate site
Second is Wikipedia
Third is www.dailypaul.com/rand

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

I get the same as you if I go through startpage

otherwise google gives me news sites first...a few samples and a link to more news about Rand Paul.

In IXquick, the dailypaul doesn't show up until near the end of the second page. The reason seems to be that the news sites are all mixed in whereas in google they are summarized at the top. Startpage which uses google...just skips the news summary part and goes directly to web links.

I don't save cookies....when the window is closed they are automatically deleted including flash cookies. I also block most of the javascript tracking.

As per Rand, I think he is more socially conservative and a bit less libertarian. He is more of a politician. Also, he is not as respectful of other people as his dad....more condescending. But, I do like some things he is doing and I will support those things.

Hopefully I will find an independent candidate to support because the power trip of the D's and R's is detrimental to our well-being.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Hmmmmmm........

Indeed!

LOL!

The Universe does its thing.

There are no such things as accidents.

Let's do something different this time. Something more interesting. Let's not be bots.

Our work here is punditry.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.