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'Slavery' - 'Lincoln' Debate: Pointless, Distraction From The Real Slavery In America

Nobody in America is free.
Everyone is a slave.
Even the political ruling class are subject to the Debt Slavery and the Tax Bondage of the IRS/FED Complex. The Complex of all Complexes.



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check out IMF chapter 8

Whole nations are "Sold" into bondage. Here's how it works, country gets into war (with both sides being funded by big central banks) Then goes bankrupt. banker scum steps in and offers loan. nation accepts loan and usually has to give bank collateral (Gold)... Years later same nation gets into more trouble, has to cough up more collateral (Silver) gets funding. 3rd time this happens, the only collateral they have is their people's birth certificates, so they set up intricate ssi ponzi scheme type system and the taxes paid from work/wages goes to repayment of debt. Unlike those minimum monthly credit card payments that end after 30 years, these new taxes/repayments will go on forever and ever.

This is involuntary servitude (slavery)

Label Jars, Not People!

I'm a "taxation is theft" guy, but......

.....equating that sort of theft, or equating being in constant debt to the sort of slavery experienced 200 years ago is just ridiculous. I agree with the dude also who said that equating working in a cubicle to actual slavery only furthers the misconception of capitalism which many liberals hold.
I too am upset that the government taxes my land therefor preventing me from owning it, or that they tax my labor and my every other transaction I make. I am pissed about all those things. But at the end of the day, I'm not in actual chains and I'm not getting whipped anything nor am I being bought and sold and moved away from my family against my will.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

If you were a black slave you'd have

a place to live, food and even medical care.

Most slaves were treated with the same respect you'd give to a work horse or machine.

They were maintained by their owners.

The FED/IRS Complex doesn't feed you or provide shelter.
The only 'slaves' that get that treatment are the ones locked-up in prisons. But they no longer produce income for their owner (government) they become a burden.
Hence private prisons.
The banksters figured out how to profit off the inmates.

So we are slaves who think they are free because we can hop a plane train or bus and go visit our relative slaves.
It takes a lot of the maintenance cost out for the owners.
And it keeps the slaves motivated enough to work hard thinking they are getting ahead.

I guess my point here is.....

....that when we equate those vastly different issues, it turns people off to our argument. When I'm trying to inform someone about why taxation is bad, it will turn them off to my message if I equate it to black slavery. That would be like complaining about the fine print in your credit card bill by saying, "MasterCard screwed me, just like my friend who got screwed when she was raped 5 years ago". Nobody gives a shit about my mastercard issue if I'm going to try to equate it to an actual rape. It doesn't mean MasterCard didn't screw me, but seriously, it wasn't that bad.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Working at a desk is slavery?

As bad as being in chains? This is just more 'capitalism is slavery' propaganda.

Young, tech savvy.........

The hasbara trolls aren't real either. They're just a pigment of your imagination. Or was that figment? What's disinformation?

The IRS is a private corporation not a government agency

just like the FED. The 14th amendment didn't free blacks...it enslaved us all.

Precisely

Just having a handful of blacks enslaved wasn't enough.

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

I can't agree more

The 14th amendment didn't free blacks...it enslaved us all.
The 14th amendment didn't free blacks...it enslaved us all.
The 14th amendment didn't free blacks...it enslaved us all.
The 14th amendment didn't free blacks...it enslaved us all.
The 14th amendment didn't free blacks...it enslaved us all.

I agree with your premise--

and the illustration.

I think the discussion can be beneficial, however.

Slavery is never right, and, yes, *we* are enslaved; people all over the world are.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Not pointless

This is what wakes people up. When they realize that everything they learned in school is false

Pointless distractions

9/11 conspiracies, Boston bombing conspiracies, Jewish banker conspiracies. Those are wastes of time.

Teaching people something they think they already know that EFFECTS us all 200 years laters -- IS VERY IMPORTANT. We are still slaves, this is what we call a teaching moment. (also we didn't bring it up, so what better way to prove how much bs is thrust upon us)

I'm not working for a new government. I'm working to abolish all government.

without those things (and I don't know why *you* would . . .

connect 9/11 with "Jewish" banker conspiracies. Ron Paul uses the word "bankers" all the time, and I don't believe he is thinking of Jews. If some of the bankers are Jewish, it is irrelevant.)

most people won't think about it.

The fact is that these events/tragedies cause people to begin to wake up and begin to ask questions.

That is valid.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Angelo Mozilo wasn't Jewish

He was a bankster

No, those are closely related


There is no question that the Banksters and Robber Barons took over this Country, and make all the rules and the policies -- which is why we have a culture that views working-class people as peasants.

It's also why we have the shameful US Foreign Policy (mass murder) that we do, and why manipulations and propaganda occur to make people accept it.

Abolishing "all government" is the total distraction, and completely pointless, and a waste of time.

Holding government accountable, and holding Wall Street accountable, Banksters accountable, and Multinational Corporations all accountable -- that might actually work.


Yeah...

Becuase the bankers totally didn't buy that power from the ones actually selling it. WOOOOOWWWWW. Ok. Why are you not on dailkos?

Are you aware Ron Paul is one of this politicians and are you aware of why he wasn't popular with "big business" it sure as hell wasn't becuase of his free-market ideas.

Ron Paul said no more welfare/crony capitalism.

Also if you believe this how could you square the free-market with that philosophical circle? Seems contradictory.

you said it more succinctly than I could have--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

"If you don't know history,

"If you don't know history, you are doomed to repeat it"

If we beat Slavery 2.0, IRS/FED Complex

We won't repeat any history.
We'll make history.

Let me guess...

You're just going to let reptilians take over the whole place. ... :)

You skipped your

You skipped your meds?
#Incoherent.

Sarcasm...

Sorry, I wasn't aware of your sensitivity to jokes that are supportive of you... awkwarddd..

Sorry

Reptilians is a very loaded word in my home.
My wife believes in them and it drives me f-u-c-k-i-n-g crazy when she talks about them as if we see them everyday.
She's a highly educated retired vice president of one of the largest chemical/pharmaceutical companies in the world.
It shocked me when she first started talking about them.

No problem.

I'm sorry to hear that. I actually used to have an ex that believed in them as well. Just hug your old lady and tell her if those mfers ever come close you'll make her some boots with a matching purse. :)

entrenchedalliance, You're a big F'ing help

"...tell her if those mfers ever come close you'll make her some boots with a matching purse."

Now I have to go change my pants from LMAO&PMP.

A-s-s-h-o-l-e.