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I have decided to pull the article on cannabis seed oil

However, despite those who nervously argue to claim otherwise, if cannabis seed oil ever gets fair and honest consideration, it will indeed become a choice fuel and eventually replace ground petroleum.

The reason why I'm pulling the article is that it has simply become a distraction. Arguing with people about inane details and other negative attacks is a waste of time. When the book comes out, all subjects will be completely referenced. This way, the trolls can go argue with statistics from government reports, contradictions from their own offices, and the peer reviewed studies by universities from around the world.

Currently, I'm researching other subjects. And since the day I posted this lone article on this forum it has become a terrible distraction.

The whole point of posting and sharing my research on this subject here was to expose the statistics and encourage other independent thinkers to study them on their own. It's already almost impossible to find ANY credible research on cannabis in this country that isn’t controlled by groups who have vested interests in denying its potential. When I complete the book, I will repost.

Good day to all and thanks to some of you for your kind words.

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DIY seed oil fuel

Piteba press. You can press oil out of cheat grass if you have to.
I am sorry you felt you needed to pull an article due to controversy. If you hope to see and end to prohibition you will need to get a thick skin on this topic. You are doing good work, do not let naysayers distract you. Stop responding, stop reading the replies if you are worn down, but speak truth even when it is unpopular.
The "War on Drugs" is destroying this country. Cannabis is the ONLY known substance to PROTECT nerves. "Recreational" use is a term used to disparage people who choose this all natural medicine that no one has EVER died from using. Meanwhile, our prisons are filled with "criminals" who have no victims.
Those who say it has to be equivalent to petroleum need to factor in things like the Exxon Valdez, the BP Gulf incident... What is a planet worth these days?

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Your numbers are off quite a bit, and that changes it all.......

Side note:

Hemp oil goes for $1000 a barrel, for food. Average seed yield for hemp is about 1000 lbs an acre.

Finally, there's the relatively low oil productivity of hemp. Hemp seed does have a relatively high oil content of about 33 percent, compared with canola at about 40 percent. However, it has a low seed per-acre yield. Typically, an acre of hemp yields about 700 pounds of seed, although some farmers have enjoyed production numbers as high as 1,200 pounds an acre in good years, Hanks says. Canola growers, on the other hand, can reap a crop of anywhere from 1,500 to 2,600 pounds an acre.
Source: http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/articles/1434/hemp-biodiese...

You said: 2) 194 million acres of USDA “debt” subsidized, currently unfarmed land would produce 300 gallons of raw hemp seed oil per acre twice per year. (600 gallons) This would create 116,400,000,000 gallons of pure hemp seed oil.

Lets do the math again at 1000 lbs an acre with 33% oil content.

Obviously that's 330 lbs of oil an acre. At ~ 6 lbs per gallon, that's
55 gallons per acre, or 110 a year per acre.

But Canada says this: 45 lbs of seed are needed to produce 1 gallon of oil.

Source: http://www.hemphasis.net/Economy/goodfarmchoice.htm

1000/45 = 22 gallons of oil, or 44 a year.

Same site says production cost is $200 per year (for one harvest, this is Canada). $10 a gallon or is it $5 a gallon COST to produce. These are 2004 numbers. Maybe that's why it was sold for $40 a gallon back then.

So it's quite possible if you lived off the grid on a farm, and you grew hemp to make bio diesel, and you ran off a bio diesel generator for everything, you'd still be buying fuel from someone else.

I didn't cherry pick these numbers, I did this comment fast. Just picked two places that are FOR hemp and bio diesel.

Blah.

Read the article closer

And read the Notre Dame study that indicates 8,500 pounds of seed per acre which renders 300 gallons. Everything I have posted is referenced clearly.

According to a study published in the Notre Dame University journal, the American Midland Naturalist, A strain of the cannabis sativa known as wild hemp here in the USA is capable of producing roughly 8,500 pounds of seed per acre. (Study: Alan Haney and Benjamin B. Kutscheid at the University of Indiana at Urbana, Department of Biology, call the study: An Ecological Study of Naturalized Hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) in East-Central Illinois). That amount of seed yields approximately 300 gallons of hemp seed oil per acre. With 194 million acres available, that could mean a potential 58 billion gallons of raw hemp seed oil. (Look it up sometime, it is an enlightening read)

Do you think hemp seed oil "for food" would still be $1,000 per barrel if the 194 million acres was producing?

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I think you might be smoking something.

We are a clever enough species to have figured out how to extract energy resources from the ground, but we were stupid enough to depend on it for our survival.

The low hanging fruit principle rules resource extraction. We went for the most proximate, purest, shallowest, biggest deposits first (easiest and cheapest to acquire), and left the rest for later, only later is now. We started out using up the equivalent energy of one barrel of oil to get back 100 barrels early on in the oil age, and now we spend somewhere between 10 to 12 barrels to get back 100, which leaves 88 to 90 to fuel the economy. The increase in this cost follows a compound growth curve so this disaster is unfolding exponentially.

Any substitute for oil would need to produce an equal amount of energy to petroleum for the amount of energy expended to acquire it, else economic activity will contract for want of sufficient energy to fuel it. We know that when government forced corn ethanol on us in an effort to grow fuel, we spent nearly as much, if not more, energy than we got back, and there is no reason to believe that growing cannabis would be much different that the corn ethanol experiment.

If you look at the energy return for oil from a thermodynamic view, the picture is much worse than seen simply tracking the deteriorating energy return on energy invested on a per barrel basis. Here is a study which shows the disaster unfolding in the oil patch taking into account not only the exponentially increase expenditure of energy, but the simple fact that only 71% of each unit of oil is usable energy, the balance being lost as waste heat:

http://www.thehillsgroup.org/

And if you don't want to take the time to digest the entire report, at least look at this graph and the explanation below it:

http://www.thehillsgroup.org/depletion2_020.htm

This report shows that by ~2030 we will be spending all the energy in newly found oil just to find it, leaving nothing to fuel the economy. That leaves only the previously found oil fields to fuel economic activity, and they are rapidly depleting, some at a rate of as much as 12% annually, but on average closer to 5%. Even at a 5% depletion rate, economic activity would be cut in half every 14 years.

There is no known substitute for petroleum and cannabis oil certainly is near the bottom of all the things to consider. Here is one estimate of the return for biodiesel showing a 3.2 to 1 return:

http://www.biofuels.coop/archive/eroei.php

Even if you accept this as reasonable, which I don't, you would be replacing petroleum with a return of 10 or 12 to 1. That means that you could run 3.2 vehicles on biodiesel compared to 10 or 12 on petroleum energy. What would that do to economic activity? And that doesn't even consider crop failures from drought, plant disease, and periodic insect infestations.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Nope

I'm guessing your rude assertion that I'm "smoking something" is indicative of the level of threat you feel about this information or that my research (which is straight from government statistics and peer reviewed studies) is somehow flawed. Well, I’m not and it’s not.

From such accusatory posturing, it’s also reasonable to assume that you prefer a continuation of centralized and elite controlled sources of fuel instead of creating new innovative and redundant supplies through millions of small farms. I've never known centralization to be good on any level. Government or corporation. It always limits choices and costs more.

Perhaps you prefer continuing the use of citizen debt to pay land owners not to farm the 194 million acres currently in the USDA program. That's efficient aye?

Unfortunately most of the main stream bio-diesel research you refer to seems to be loaded with corporate interests and sophistry. That's not totally your fault though because even most of the more popular so called green energy oriented sites out there are ridiculous; they remind me of people visiting a tobacco company in the 1960’s in search of quality information about the dangers of smoking. They're only there to throw a bone to the mesmerized main stream environmentalists with articles about switch grass and corn ethanol, as if that is somehow fighting for the environment. They all end the same way with the major oil companies working to dazzle the gullible viewer with amazing imagery, technologies and environmental statements of green this and that.

Even the so called “bio-diesel” sites passively suggest or outright attempt to throw hemp in with all the other poorer quality bio-diesel statistics even though no cannabis oil research is ever part of those “negative” studies. It's funny how they too always end up pointing out reasons why working together with big ground petroleum is the future…

Gee I wonder why? Hmmmm. Millions of diversified farms and sources of (storable) hemp seed bio diesel vs. centralized (perishable) ground petroleum based gasoline… Tough choice???? Yeah if your one of the controlling few.
Sounds like those few who run that racket are scared of losing out. Gasoline creates repeat dependents while hemp seed bio diesel provides the opportunity for many to become self-reliant individuals and therefore more of a threat to the growing centralization efforts.

Further:
Think about the many European and Japanese cars that get anywhere from 55 mpg (BMW 5 Series diesel) to 78 MPG (the Honda civic diesel) Does that not raise any thoughts or questions as to why such fuel efficient cars are banned here in this country? (Even the old Mercedes in this video got 27 MPG with both diesel and hemp seed oil based bio diesel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skwRB6zoEpQ That is 1 to 1 is it not?)

One acre of refined hemp seed bio diesel could be farmed locally, stored indefinitely and could provide that Civic with enough fuel to travel 46,800 miles per year. And the fuel is 90% cleaner burning than ground petroleum diesel. Whoever had a few acres could therefore avoid many trips to the local BP station and have their own energy reserve…The powerful and connected few wouldn’t want their little gasoline dependent consumers to become more self-reliant and reduce their constant consuming now would they?

There are many others involved beyond just fuel at the fuel station...There isn't a deep fried salted snack company around who wants hemp seed bio diesel to happen. Not to mention soft drinks or anything else sold at BP.

So, I'm not smoking anything. But I am thinking for myself and always questioning authority.

You completely ignored the most important point

How much energy is input to grow the crop and produce the fuel versus how much the fuel yields. All of the numbers you mentioned are meaningless unless it is better than petroleum (or at least close).

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Fine. Let's dig in

As far as energy (or fuel) input to produce hemp is concerned, let’s look at the numbers.
The 2010 RITA (Research and Innovative Technology Administration / Bureau of Transportation Statistics) says the U.S. consumed 47,514,000,000 gallons of Diesel. This includes all highways and off road use. (That includes farming)

The 2007 Census of Agriculture tells us that there were 350 million acres used for food crops.

According to the United States Department of Agricultural and Consumer Economics • College of Agricultural, Consumer and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; the typical U.S. farming operation consumes somewhere around 6 gallons of diesel per farmed acre as a rough estimate. However this cannot be exact, as the paper goes on to say: “Diesel fuel requirements will vary by size, efficiency and age of equipment along with other factors but the fuel requirements given in table 1 would be typical”.

If we take 6 gallons and multiply it by 350 million you get around 2,100,000,000 gallons of diesel to farm the existing 350 million acres. For the sake of giving let’s just estimate high at 3 billion.
So, if we take the 194 million acres of idle farmland and multiply it by let’s say as high as even 9 gallons just to be ridiculous, (assuming every farmer would over-till and dump extra fertilizer on it even though it doesn’t need any) we would get 1,746,000,000 gallons multiplied by 2 since farmers would do it twice per year. So to answer your question, I would say:

3,492,000,000 gallons.

Since the 194 million acres of hemp would produce a potential 144,500,000,000 gallons of biodiesel and we only require 70 billion in total, we would still have a tremendous surplus.

What you should understand is that there are many solutions to our energy consumption right in front of us and they all go hand in hand with nature. Currently the technology to obtain energy from a multitude of sources is mostly well hidden.
It seems the populations of the world have been somehow blinded to such a thought. This tendency to ignore possibilities outside the common and "acceptable" has left us with every imaginable man-made disaster; millions of acres of deforested land, poisoned air, polluted waters, and vast areas that have become toxic and uninhabitable. Meanwhile the ground petroleum energy barons and their hand full of world dominating politically connected cronies roll around in piles of unimaginable wealth and power. Why would they want us to think for ourselves and correct that problem?

Good luck in your research...

Most biodiesel is near the bottom of the list for energy return

compared to the energy spent to get it. Look at the chart at the right of this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_inve...

There is much more energy expended than simply the amount of diesel used to run farm equipment. The energy that went into constructing the farm equipment, the cost of transporting, processing, etc., of the seeds. must also be calculated, and by the time the biodiesel arrives at the pump, there is little net gain to fuel economic activity.

Cannabis may have some unique characteristics, but I can't imagine that the energy contained in it is much different that other seed crops. Biodiesel seems to only work when made from tropical crops, and even then it is marginal.

And what about periodic crop failures?

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

If you would...

At the University of Connecticut, researchers found a 97 percent conversion efficiency in hemp seed oil. And this is even from an "establishment" university who have shown themselves historically to be afraid to speak any positive truth about cannabis.

http://today.uconn.edu/blog/2010/10/hemp-produces-viable-bio...

Obviously you've never seen the old hemp seed biodiesel car that got 27 miles per gallon with hemp seed biodiesel. It was 27 mpg before hemp seed bio diesel and 27 after. That would be a 1 to 1 ratio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skwRB6zoEpQ

You have not shown any evidence that biodiesel can

provide us as much energy as petroleum. All you have pointed out in your links is that there is oil in hemp seeds and a gallon of biodiesel made from hemp contains the same energy as a gallon of biodiesel made from something else. So what!

The ratio you refer to is meaningless. The ratio that matters is the amount of energy in a gallon of hemp biodiesel to the energy used up in producing that gallon of biodiesel. Based on experience, biodiesel is marginal, whether it is from hemp or some other crop.

Scroll down to the table comparing the gallons per acre for various biodiesel feedstocks to see hemp at the bottom of the list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Yes I have, several times, but you can enjoy your opinion

Wikipedia is NOT accurate reference material however. It has a long history of skewing numbers, omitting pertinent information and changing historic facts.
Some examples:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/02/does-w...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/09/philip-rot...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2131458/Up-ar...
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/01/26/wiki
http://gawker.com/5639455/rush-limbaugh-fooled-by-wikipedia
And there are many more from a wide range of places, however, point made and not important.

Getting back to cannabis; let’s examine the “yield chart” you cited. It indicates 26 gallons per acre. Its inclusion on the chart is inexplicable, laughable and it even says [citation needed] next to the word hemp! (Further, the word hemp only exists in 2 places in the entire article) Where did they get that number? Do you know? It’s quite clear to me that the only reason hemp is even included there is to subtly convince people who might be researching bio-fuel to conclude that “hemp” has no potential.
This Wikipedia page surely doesn't mention the peer reviewed Study by: Alan Haney and Benjamin B. Kutscheid at the University of Indiana at Urbana, Department of Biology that I’ve cited in my article. Question: Why? Answer: Because such would show a massive potential for a rare but incredible strain of cannabis sativa (ditch-weed) that could render 8,500 pounds of seed per acre. (As I’ve already stated; this article is only a small part of a larger work) The article itself only talks about the liquid fuels section of a much larger chapter on energy which also includes sections on the following: Helium 3, geothermal tapping, bio-mass, hydrogen, hydrodynamic, low voltage DC, UV solar and several other types which are also profoundly being hidden, pushed into obscurity and held back by the vested interests of the well-connected and most powerful. I suppose if I posted those sections, I can only assume that I would hear contrary arguments about each from you.

I’m not quite sure why it’s so important for you to force the opinion that there are no fuel values in cannabis seed oil but, if you like to vigorously prop up the status quo while citing main stream misinformation sites like Wikipedia, then by all means; ‘Take hold of the flame’ and run with it. I have too many other things that occupy my time to keep replying to people who like to argue.

So find a country that allows growing hemp

and make the bio-diesel there. Why does it have to be in the U.S.?

Really?!

We already spend a crap-load of money importing hemp products. Why create an industry then farm it off to foreign companies, to stick it to us by charging double what it costs to produce? That seems like a no brain-er. We would, also, have to pay to ship the product here. I don't know why you would suggest what you did. It makes no sense at all!

Hemp car

This is all very compelling and I wholly agree with the supression of it's use but it's already been done by Henry Ford, as for the vehicle that is:

And his consisted of combination of hemp and soy, and I would think the rendering process would involve equal dispersion across the liquid matrix, something I would say that includes a poly process and rotovapor which should complete the final product. As for a carrier product I'd think you'd be able to use almost any plant based solvent, which could be refined from hemp as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp_car

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2010/07/doug-yurchey/the-marijua...

I had this idea some time ago as well but too many peers seemed uninterested to look into starting such a venture. I'm sure someone would love to invest their time and money into it somewhere. I currently have neither.

Gives new meaning to the strain

"Sour diesel"

Great article. There is a lot

Great article. There is a lot of good information.

It would be great if you would link your sources in the article so others can trace them.

Also you should factor in energy cost to harvest and process the hemp. While it should be a net gain, how much is a large factor.

For instance I once read that a particular weed type plant could produce ethanol, but it took 10 units of fuel to net 1 unit. Meaning for every 10 you used you got 11 out only giving 1 unit for actual use.

Also, bio diesel is not quite as efficient as the petroleum based. Do you have any number on the hemp oil efficiency. Maybe you will only get 45mpg instead of 50 out of it. Some figures I have read state that bio ethanol only has 80% the energy capacity of gas.

While I still think hemp is a great substitute if not replacement, all of these are factors that must be considered.

Linked sources would be great

Diesel (bio or not) is a very different fuel than Ethanol. Energy density would be what you need to look for. Ethanol is not 'added' to biodiesel as the article led on, it can be used in the chemical process of making biodiesel, but in very small amounts and at the end all the ethanol is or needs to be removed before use in a diesel engine. Usually the 'biodiesel' making process uses methanol only for the purpose of stripping the glycerine from whatever oil base stock used. I think biodiesel is very close and sometimes higher in energy density than petro diesel. Ethanol is most definitely less than dino gasoline. Every car engine today dumps at least 60% of the fuel heat energy out the exhaust and radiator before any power even starts turning the transmission. No matter what base plant you use to make oil the biggest problem today is still the massive losses. Every tractor, engine driven pump, and transportation of products waste more than 60% of each gallon of fuel before any work is done.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml

Check out the link, it might make you sick at what we haven't improved in the 100+ years of using fuel.

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That's just the beginning of

That's just the beginning of what hemp is good for.

I'm going to try and keep this post

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Hemp

Great study piece. Amazing explanation of the hemp plant which I will be looking into more to bring light to this wool being pulled over the eyes of every American as I see it. I wonder how much this would change the economics today for better fuel sources tomorrow that will hopefully stop the making of more and more harmful ethanol and petroleum based products. All in all this has been a eye opener that I cannot ignore so thanks for this post. Cheers.

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"8,500 pounds of seed per acre"

That seems excessive. That's better than hay yields. Are you sure that's not yield of seed AND stock weight?

Yes

According to a study published in the Notre Dame University journal, the American Midland Naturalist, A strain of the cannabis sativa known as wild hemp here in the USA is capable of producing roughly 8,500 pounds of seed per acre. (Study: Alan Haney and Benjamin B. Kutscheid at the University of Indiana at Urbana, Department of Biology)

That's incredible if credible

I'll have to look into this. I may be ordering some seeds:)

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