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Doctor Paul Craig Roberts Calls Rand Paul A Neocon

Harsh Words from PCR re Rand Paul:

He is just another fool prostituting himself for the neoconservative warmongers and the military/security complex. If Rand Paul is the hope for America, then clearly there is no hope.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/16/washington-set-wo...

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When I opined that Rand Paul was Just Another Republican

one of those "self-less mods who babysit and rock this cradle of liberty" deleted my posts and eventually booted me off the forum. Due to Michaels forgiving nature, I was allowed back (I mistakenly blamed him for the censorship). However, I must admit that Rand is more than JAR. He has taken some important stands. He just can't stand against the aggressive, delusional American War Machine and the imbeciles that support it; not stand against them and continue to get elected, at any rate. Rand is the best we've got, sad to say. Lesser of two evils, anyone?

Leges sine moribus vanae

Lesser of two evils? hes not evil

He is pretty damn good, even if he isn't perfect. Its a choice between massive steps toward more liberty, prosperity and peace in America, or just another big government neocon. The choice is obvious. Its nothing like Mitt vs Obama.

1% of coercion is still

1% of coercion is still coercion no matter how you try to romanticize it.....

I beg to differ with you

Defending evil actions is evil. Endorsing evil men, like Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney (over his own father, no less) is evil. Suggesting anything less than a pardon and commendation for Edward Snowden is evil. Hypocritical posturing over what the US has done in Ukraine is evil. Imposing sanctions on people who have done us no harm is evil. Defending prosecution for drug use (even light sentences) is evil. Yes, he could be a lot worse. I'll hold my nose and vote for him if it looks like he has a chance. I may even contribute, reluctantly, to his campaign.

Leges sine moribus vanae

clueless

"Endorsing evil men, like Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney (over his own father, no less) is evil."
ron sent out a letter and went on cavuto to announce the end of active campaigning based on the latest delegate count. later rand went on hannity and said he supported his father but now that he was out of the race he would keep his senate campaign promise and endorse the rep nom.
i guess you think rp is evil too for supporting lamar smith over sheriff mack? it's called politics and rand knows how to play. you are clueless but others here should know better.

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We are aware of how politics are played

We are waiting for the likes of you to realize that YOU may be being played. No politician can enjoy any significant electoral success unless he panders to Boobus AmerixANUS. We get that. Ron converted people. The number of his supporters swelled, but it was too little too late. Rand panders to people. He waves the flag for the neocons and the constitution for the liberty minded. Politics.

He's the best senator we have, God help us, because that's not saying much.

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When I called Rand a neocon....

When I said it, the comment was met with over 20 downvotes...

He sold out to Khazaria.

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

Good article, and Rand Paul is only a small part of it

Paul Craig Roberts more broadly points out what is becoming increasingly obvious to all: the United States is not the country we all learned about in grade school. Many historical actions of the USA abroad are no better than Russia's recent actions that Rand Paul has criticized. We live in a glass house and we are throwing stones.

I agree with what was written in the article for the most part.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Follow the gold bullion...

"Market observers believe Tehran has been one of the biggest buyers of bullion over the past decade after China, Russia and India, and is among the 20 largest holders of gold reserves... with an alleged 300 tons, big enough to challenge the UK at 310 tons, and more than Spain! " As a reminder according to the WGC, Iran is not even disclosed as an official holder of gold. Also, Iran is not the only one: "Cables obtained by WikiLeaks cite Jordan’s prime minister as saying the central bank was “instructed to increase its holdings” of gold, and a Qatar Investment Authority official as saying the QIA was interested in buying gold and silver." Which means that there is far more marginal demand by countries supposedly friendly to the dollar, as many more than previously expected are actively dumping linen and buying bullion. What all this means for the future price of gold, especially with geopolitical tension in the region, and QE3 imminent, is rather self-evident.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/secret-iran-gold-holdings-l...

Following a 6 month stalemate in which neither side had attained any advantage, it suddenly took just a few days for the Libyan rebel forces to steamroll unopposed into Tripoli. While we are confident that the political aftermath of this outcome will be very much comparable to what is happening in Egypt right now, many wonder why it is that the Libyan situation has progressed with such speed. Perhaps the answer can be found in the 143.8 tons of gold held by the Libyan Central Bank.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/battle-libya-almost-over-battl...

"In a statement released last week, the rebels reported on the results of a meeting held on March 19. Among other things, the supposed rag-tag revolutionaries announced the “[d]esignation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi.”

"The so-called Interim Transitional National Council, the rebels’ self-appointed new government for Libya purporting to be the “sole legitimate representative of Libyan People,” also trumpeted the creation of a new “Libyan Oil Company” based in the rebel stronghold city of Benghazi. The North African nation, of course, has the continent’s largest proven oil reserves."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/libyan-rebels-create-central-ba...

(Reuters) - Syria is trying to sell gold reserves to raise revenue as Western and Arab sanctions targeting its central bank and oil exports begin to bite, diplomats and traders said.

Western sanctions have halved Syria's foreign exchange reserves from about $17 billion, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said on Tuesday after a meeting with about 60 nations aimed at coordinating measures against President Bashar al-Assad's government.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/18/us-syria-gold-idUS...

Rand is not Ron but.....

He is about as close as you can get, IMHO.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey

tom davis

http://www.dailypaul.com/282998/urgent-tom-davis-vs-lindsey-...

& gary johnson sound closer to ron to me.

The criticisms on Rand are

The criticisms on Rand are valid and of course, you guys are free to make them and vote how you want. However, two things need to be pointed out:

1. Rand's voting record is still solid. Rhetoric doesn't matter as much as people say.

2. Everyone that you dislike is not a neocon. A neoconservative is someone who accepts the general framework of the New Deal, generally tries to impose social conservatism, and is very eager to "fix the world" with war.

Rand may take an approach with foreign policy that is different from his father's, but he definitely is much more careful than almost anyone else in Congress. There are certain things that you may genuinely disagree with, but why does everyone get so carried away with labels? You disagree with him; you don't like certain parts of his foreign policy or his more restrained approach to the drug war. That is all fair and fine, but in no way is Rand Paul a neocon.

Having held polical office himself...

...Robert sought to know better, he ought to have better eyes for distinguishing between rhetoric and reality, style and substance.

The following is my response to Rand's recent op-ed about Ukraine in Time Magazine. I'll repost it here, because it explains why Roberts is wrong about Rand.

Style v. Substance

Style---The Republican press is currently pushing the narrative that Obama and the Dems are "soft on Putin," yet there's no substantive difference between the positions of Obama and the Republican hawks (e.g. McCain). This media narrative is not about Ukraine, it is about domestic politics. It is about the war party trying to reassert itself, exploiting the Ukraine crisis to revive the mindless rah-rah nationalism that supports their foreign policy generally. And the real target is not the Dems, but those Republicans who oppose the war party: especially Rand Paul. So how does Rand deal with this problem? He needs to appear "tough on Putin." And that's the purpose of this op-ed.

Substance---Beyond the rhetoric, what is Rand actually proposing that the US do vis a vis Ukraine and Russia? In his own words:

"This does not and should not require military action."

---Good, no war

"We should also suspend American loans and aid to Ukraine"

---Good, less foreign aid

"I would immediately remove every obstacle or current ban blocking the export of American oil and gas to Europe, and I would lift restrictions on new oil and gas development in order to ensure a steady energy supply at home and so we can supply Europe with oil if it is interrupted from Ukraine."

---Good, free the energy market

"The U.S. should suspend its participation in this summer’s G-8 summit and take the lead in boycotting the event in Sochi. If Putin’s troops remain in Crimea at the time of the summit, Russia should be expelled from the group."

---Good, get out of these international organizations

"I would reinstitute the missile-defense shields President Obama abandoned in 2009 in Poland and the Czech Republic, only this time, I would make sure the Europeans pay for it."

---Good, let the Europeans defend themselves

"Economic sanctions and visa bans should be imposed and enforced without delay."

---Here's the only potentially objectionable proposal: economic sanctions (though we don't know what specifically Rand has in mind). Most likely, any economic sanctions imposed on Russia by the US would be symbolic. There isn't that much trade between the US and Russia to begin with, and the EU and China (Russia's most important trading partners) are not going to play along with any sanctions, beyond some tokens to appease Washington. So, yes, economic sanctions are bad, but I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch over it in this case.

CONCLUSION --- This was an excellent op-ed. Rand managed to appear tough through clever use of rhetoric, while the actual substance of his proposal is extremity non-interventionist. Boom! That's why he'll be the next President of the United States

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

PCR and David Stockman

both Reagan appointees have stepped up their criticism in recent years

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Welp......

"If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck - then it is probably a duck."

The entire article

is an indictment... that includes Rand Paul.

The article's indictment of hypocrisy of US actions and hegemony rings true on every level from any angle that Ron Paul has taught, believed in and ran upon... right up to the present day.
Putting PCR down to prop up Rand Paul simply ignores the bedrock principle of non-intervention and attempts to shoot the messenger.

Rand Paul CHOSE to include himself with this treacherous group of political thugs who lockstep with the war machine and its agenda, whether it be sanctions, armaments or imposing US will abroad. You are known by the company you keep. My 7 yr old grandson knows this.

I'm getting tired of the 'sheep' in 'wolf's clothing' arguments concerning Rand. You can't 'stand' with Rand when he's kneeling.