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So wait some of you on here are saying Rand Paul fell so far from the tree we should call him an orange?

I thought we were the awakened ones?

Some of us on here expect Rand to bring a knife to a gun fight. I thought we were the awakened ones?

I can see the list of potential nominees already, we will probably see Santorum, Perry, maybe a Bush again, hell could even be a Huckabee. We are definitely gonna see a Cruz, a Paul Ryan I am assuming.

I am sure Rand and Ron never talk, I mean they are father and son so Ron could never possibly be giving Rand any type of advice, why would a father do such a thing?

You Rand bashers make me feel like it is 2006 again, like I am in some kind of Twilight Zone where someone has stolen your brains.

Obviously we are all entitled to our own opinions, but we could possibly be scrutinizing someone who is legitimately trying to help us. Can't we attack some of the others, or do they have to be running for POTUS to be attacked?

We all know who is gonna run for the most part, why are some bashing the only one who remotely has a shot at chipping away at this big government monster?

My gosh, give the man some room, he is taking on the whole damn government, and basically all the money in the world, do you all understand that?

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You would rather him

mishandle politics skipper? Rand is handling politics better than you or I are, we aren't sitting square in Washington D.C. now are we? Although I have been to D.C. saw the Lincoln Memorial the Washington Monument, but I don't think either you or I were able to secure an office there. Many people on here got Rand that seat in D.C., I am hoping we pull him up a chair in the Oval Office.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I agree Kathleen

I would volunteer to be his secret service if he is elected, I don't know how to be secret service but I would try.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

What's the point..

These endless Rand threads invariably end up in people labelled as 'Rand haters or Rand lovers' in a divisive, disrespectful and boring vote fest.
Try posting and discussing the merits (or failings) of Rands actions, opinions and policies and you might come to see the Pauls as individuals, rather than apples or oranges.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Lets see ...

your theory is that rand is "playing the part" in ordered to fool this incredibly powerful government/corporate media complex into letting him take charge so that he can then turn around and double cross them and say "sorry, time to shut you down." and then that is going to turn out good for everyone?

Sorry I just dont see that.

wouldnt it be better to stand on principle. educate people, etc.

they could rig the elections as usual

of course I understand your point, but to say Rand is not hitting a gut shot when he knows it will not effect his ability to win, is wrong. Rand is playing a surgeon, the fact that some can't see that blows my mind!!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Difference between Ron and Rand

No matter how successful his campaigns, I believe Ron Paul ran to educate Americans about the proper role of government, the FED and the constitution.

Rand is running to Win the Nomination and the General. He's voting [to us] the wrong way on votes that don't matter to grow his base beyond the Liberty Movement. He tailors his message to the audience.

Once elected, I suspect he will come back our way to up until his vetoes could be overridden. As Commander in Chief I expect him to return many overseas troops to the US, close foreign bases and cut spending in the executive branch.

I expect others to disagree, but Rand has my full support #StandwithRand

using the word wise

in your name fits perfectly, I am with you sir. I stand with Rand all the way till the end. I have been awake long enough to realize what he is doing, just wish all of us did the same.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

you are addressing a special group of people

Incrementalism, negative or positive, is when government makes many small incremental changes instead of a few large jumps.

The people you are addressing are anarchists who detest positive incrementalism.

This is because many anarchists take on the idea that the whole thing needs to burn to the ground.

Electing Rand who isn't an ideologically pure anarchist, but who ends up fixing a bunch of stuff in government, incrementally, could send the anarchists back 300 years before they get their next chance to burn-it-all-down-to-the-ground.

Rand as President is the worst thing that could happen to a burn-it-all-down anarchist.

The problem we have in the liberty movement

The problem we have in the liberty movement is too many refuse help from those we disagree with. Yes, Palin and Rand are "conservatives" more than they are part of the r3VOLution, but they still fight battles that need to be won, and we need to take help where we get it.

We need to stop trying to hit home runs, and start taking bases.

Even if we put conservative A in, as long we are still both trying to reach the same goal, we need to support them against neo-con B who hates all things freedom. We can oust them later when they are going against freedom once again and call them out letting them know we are watching them.

With people like Rand, we may not like how things are done, but that doesn't mean we can afford to let these people pass. We need people like Rand and Palin, both who can influence people in large numbers away from tyranny, even if not far enough towards liberty as we would like, we can worry about that later.

my frustration is in the way he utilizes media and PR

I keep getting made fun of here for stating that I really *want to* believe in Rand... and Stand With Rand... but he's saying all of the wrong things.

He's stating he opposes Russia's government allowing a neighboring state and former territory which is occupied almost exclusively by ethnic and linguistic Russians to be granted acceptance back into their "mother country" and said if he were President there would be consequences...

Crimea represents sea access for the Russians but the real angle is that portion of the natural gas supply line for Europe. (Parts still run through the rest of Ukraine) So while it's a win for Russia, the loss is only for the banksters. It won't hurt the European people unless the European Union (fake bankster government) allows it. This war is only between Putin and the Banksters. Rand seems to want to support the Banksters.

He's also echoing a lot of neocon BS, supporting the status quot... He's super sympathetic to Israel over all other nations and is basically speaking and acting the part of the standard red-tie. Unless it's all a big act and he's a secret libertarian who wants to dismantle the mafia from within once he gains enough influence... I just don't see it. I think he's talking like a republicrat.

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

they own the media popfreeradio

"they" own everything, when you sit back and realize that, it sucks, it hurts, but it is the truth. Rand has to play it, it sucks, but he does. Can Rand save us, no, we have to try and save ourselves, but if we can get him to the helm, he will not change everything in an instant, but he will give us crooks and crevices we can navigate through if he wins. If he plays to hard, we obviously all know, as POTUS, he could be suicide. He is playing with his own life, especially if he wins, then he is really playing with life and death. I respect his courage.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

and that's what I *want to* believe

that he's such a noble man that he'll stand up to the oligarchy and hang these traitors... I just have a feeling he'll get Ned Starked... or maybe RFKed if he's not 100% in bed with the gangsters.

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

There is no way in hell

he would sink his father's lonely no votes for 30 years in congress, and if he would do that to his own father, my faith in humanity is completely gone. I just can't see him doing that unless he has totally gone cold in life. I have to let it ride on Rand, there is no one else we can even stick a slight bit of faith in at this point, and if it proves wrong to that degree, we are certainly toast, we have no hope through political processes at that point, that's what I am saying. Rand is the last glimmer of hope in the political process, we do have others like Amash, and Lee, etc., but I fear time is short, we don't have time. Time is the biggest factor at this point, time is running out and Rand is the farthest ahead we have now. If it's not Rand, I have a strange feeling we are screwbarred at this point.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

He's more of an orange than

He's more of an orange than an apple, I don't care how much he paints himself red.

sad part is emptyeternity

you have been here a long time on this site, I remember you from long ago, try to fill your eternity, the system might still go all hell on fire even if Rand wins, it will certainly still go to hell if he doesn't, we aren't exactly up against the weakest humans that the earth has seen. We are up against the strongest humans this world has ever seen. World domination has been dreamed about since the beginning of time, the USA is close of achieving that and handing it over to a United Nations, once that comes in, it's game over, keep that in mind.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!