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Ares Armor vs. Illegal ATF Raid UPDATE: Stewart Rhodes interviews CEO Dimitrios Karras - March 18, 2014

Dimitrios Karras, CEO of Ares Armor interviewed by Stewart Rhodes!

Stewart Rhodes interviews Ares Armor CEO Dimitrios Karras

http://youtu.be/WsMcsy0D3v8

OathKeepersOK | Published on Mar 18, 2014

Stewart Rhodes interviews Ares Armor CEO Dimitrios Karras and Socal Oath Keeper John Oetken about the raid on Ares Armor

And, an insight from an AnCap attorney Rob "Tripp" Cameron aka TheRealTrippleB @YT http://www.modernamericanlawyer.com/

Why Ares vs ATF Should Outrage America

http://youtu.be/hqjYEFIwUT8
therealTrippleB
Published on Mar 17, 2014

Every American should be outraged over the events transpiring between Ares Armor and the BATFE; even the anti-gun folks!

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Laws Don't Stop ATF (Ares Armor Update)
March 16, 2014

You have a restraining order to stay action by a government agency. No action can be taken pending a court hearing on the merits of the agency's request for information from your legitimate business; a business that has in no way demonstrated illegal conduct that an officer could swear to under oath as a matter of affirmative fact before a judge to satisfy granting of a search warrant. That and 25 cents will buy you a gumball.

Undoubtedly the BATFE's lawyers will claim this B&E is legal under the "lawful criminal proceedings" clause added into the restraining order against the BATFE from Ares Armor. What good, however, are legal protections if government agencies have a blank check to circumvent all legal proceedings?

[...]

Further update from TTAG:

Ares Armor Update: The Skinny on EP Armory Polymer 80% Lower Receivers
By Nick Leghorn on March 17, 2014

Let’s look at the situation surrounding Ares Armor, EP Armory’s lowers, and why the ATF might be interested.

Ares Armor is a distributor of EP Armory’s polymer 80% lower receivers. The claim to fame for these models is that the lower receivers are two different colors — one color for the receiver itself, and a completely different color for the parts that need to be milled out to complete the gun. It’s the equivalent of a “paint by numbers” approach to firearms manufacturing, making the process nearly idiot-proof.

The problem is the definition of an “80% lower.” The appeal of the 80% lower receiver is that it is legally just a chunk of metal and not a firearm, so it skirts nearly all of the gun laws in the United States right up until the point where someone drills out all the required parts and assembles their own gun. In order to maintain that status, the lower needs to be like a block of marble in an artists’ studio: just raw material with the finished product still needing to be chiseled out. According to the ATF’s “once a gun always a gun” doctrine, the instant the lower is milled out and completed it’s officially a firearm and subject to all of the applicable laws. Even if you go back and fill in the relevant sections, it’s still a gun that you just manufactured and must be treated as such.

Previous TTAG update:

Search Warrant: Gun Stores “Helping” Build 80% Lowers Deemed Illegal

By Nick Leghorn on March 17, 2014

[UPDATE: 3/18 11:38 PM] I have just spoken with Dimitri at Ares Armor, and he has confirmed that the raid was over polymer lower receivers and their unique method of manufacturing and not related to build parties as speculated in this article. So while this article still describes an active ATF investigation related to 80% lowers, it appears to be unrelated to Ares Armor. The article has been updated to reflect this new information.

The Ares Armor case is interesting, but another investigation relating to 80% lower receivers involves some of the sketchiest gun stores I have ever heard of. Take a peek . . .

An 80% lower is, in a legal sense, just a hunk of metal. It’s not a complete firearm, so it isn’t treated like one. It’s no more a firearm than a block of marble is a work of art by Michelangelo. But it has enough of the rough dimensions of an AR-15 lower receiver that finishing the project and turning it into a functional gun is almost trivial — drill a couple of holes, mill a few locations, and presto, you have yourself a gun.

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Crunch Time: Ares Armor just got illegally raided, AFTER a Fed. Judge's Injunction barring the ATF from doing so!

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UPDATE 1:

Ares Armor CEO on Alex Jones Show; ATF = Completely Insane: Actually, Once defined Shoestring as a "Machine Gun!" - No Joke!

Fascist-Style ATF Raids Ares Armor: Owner Speaks Out

http://youtu.be/QeTMNj6xFWI
THElNFOWARRlOR
Published on Mar 19, 2014

Alex welcomes to the broadcast Dimitri Karras and Lindy Diaz of Ares Armor, the firearms part retailer in San Diego that managed a crucial victory when it obtained a restraining order against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
https://aresarmor.com/

ATF Threaten Gun Dealers After Going Public About Illegal Raid

http://youtu.be/P2YsyzrVyBQ
THElNFOWARRlOR
Published on Mar 19, 2014

Alex continues with the owners of Ares Armor discussing their recent raid by the ATF despite a court order disallowing the illegal search. https://aresarmor.com/

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Pardon me, I literally thought I saw as much govt insanity, tyranny, cruelty, and Kafka-land as they come, but even this was news to me...and shockingly surprising...though nothing should be, by now:

Why the ATF's Firearm Testing Procedures are Scientifically Invalid

After very aggressive action by JPFO and others, the BATFE decided to back down. This article has been re-formated Feb 2012. When pictures expand - note - there is an enlargement option icon lower right on most.

by Len Savage
Owner, Historical Arms LLC

With the amount of documentation now publicly available it has become obvious that there is a serious problem within the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF).

The technicians who work at FTB testify before the courts as "experts" on the technology of firearms. They may or may not have any real-world or industry experience. It is a fact that no technician at FTB has ever held a federal firearms license or ever designed a firearm. Unfortunately the problem runs even deeper than that. The recent public exposure of an incompetent FTB technician, Michael J. Cooney (U.S. v. Glover), which resulted in the dismissal with prejudice of a federal prosecution of an innocent citizen, raises troubling questions about the legal validity of past prosecutions in which Mr. Cooney testified, and possibly those of other FTB technicians.

Congress has given the ATF the task of "classifying" firearms - for instance, determining whether a firearm is a common, semi-automatic that fires one shot with each trigger pull or whether it is a machine gun, designed to fire multiple rounds on one trigger pull (full auto). Numerous gun owners and gun makers have been bankrupted or imprisoned because the ATF stated that their firearms were "illegal machine guns" rather than semi-autos. If the ATF's classifications were accurate, then this would just be a matter for lawyers and lawmakers. But there is ample evidence – and not only in the case of Mr. Cooney -- to indicate that the ATF's classifications are arbitrary and inaccurate. The ATF seemingly does not employ consistent testing criteria and standards.




Gun makers baffled by ATF criteria; Models OK’d on case-by-case basis

By Chuck Neubauer
The Washington Times
Monday, January 2, 2012

That process, known as “letter rulings,” results in various findings about what makes a weapon. Program critics, including the ATF’s former assistant director of criminal investigations, said one determination contended that a shoestring was a machine gun.


"When the rules are subjective and continue to change, we cannot expect these business owners to comply with moving target regulations. These inconsistent rulings from the bureau are confusing and result in a waste of time and resources," said Rep. Phil Gingrey (right), Georgia Republican. (Associated Press)

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is in charge of determining whether a gun model is legal, but the agency won’t say much about its criteria.

Despite overseeing an industry that includes machine guns and other deadly weapons, ATF regulations for the manufacture of weapons are often unclear, leading to reliance on a secretive system by which firearms manufacturers can submit proposed weapons for testing and find out one at a time whether they comply with the law, critics say.

ATF Agent: Raiding Gun Store Was “Fun”
Armed goons took pleasure in forcibly seizing list of gun part owners

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 18, 2014

A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent who was involved in the armed raid on a California gun parts and accessories store this past weekend described the raid as “fun,” according to Ares Armor CEO Dimitrios Karras.

After Karras learned that the ATF wanted Ares’ customer list and inventory of composite “80% lower receivers” for AR-15 rifles, he obtained a temporary order which restrained the ATF from forcibly seizing the items.

However, after pressure from the Department of Justice, Judge Sammartino reversed the restraining order and armed ATF agents raided Ares Armor on Saturday, but not before interrogating customers outside the store.

[...]

The raid has also prompted a number of memes, which can be viewed below. [What's life without some gallows humor, eh?]




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UPDATE 2: 'ATF-approved inspected AR Lower Parts Kit' for Sale, by Ares Armor! LOL!

Ares Armor Makes Lemonade With “BATFE Inspected Quality” LPKs
By Chris Dumm on March 19, 2014


"BATFE Inspected Quality"!! "Raid of 2014"!! - Image courtesy Ares Armor

The ATF’s jackbooted and illegal raid on Ares Armor has made headlines for days, but it doesn’t seem to have intimidated the National City, CA manufacturer one bit. Instead of bowing and scraping to the ATFE’s scofflaws with badges, they’re using the ATFE’s notoriety to help them move some of their (remaining) inventory.

Stock lower parts kits (LPKs) for AR rifles are as common as Ford F-150 trucks, but Ares is banking on the infamous raid to make their plane-Jane LPKs just a little more desirable.

Since the ATFE turned the Ares Armor offices upside down and ‘inspected’ everything in their illegal search for, well, something worth searching for, Ares is marketing these LPKs as ‘BATFE Inspected.’ And since Ares is being careful not to use the BATFE logo in their advertisements, there’s not a damned thing the jackbooted thugs can do about it. Which is awesome.

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UPDATE 3: Ares Armor CEO Dimitrios Karras on why stay in the anti-Gun Commufornia: "This is my home; I'm not leaving!"

Ares Armor CEO Tries to Reason with ATF over Customer Privacy; Raid Ensues

http://youtu.be/nkexneHJ3vY
ReasonTV
Published on Mar 19, 2014

"This isn't just a second amendment issue, it's not just a firearms issue. It's an issue of an overreaching government that wants to come into your kitchen, that wants to come into your living room, and just see what you're doing," says Dimitrios Karras, CEO of Ares Armor in Oceanside, Calif.

Last week, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) raided Ares Armor to confiscate 80 percent polymer receivers for AR-15s. These receivers are the lower part of the gun that contain the trigger operations when fully completed. The polymer version that the ATF is contesting is not completed and requires the purchasers to finish machining it. The ATF claimed that these are unlicensed firearms, but Karras says otherwise.

"It's an object that's in the shape of a receiver, but it hasn't been completed to a point that it would be considered a firearm," says Karras. "This was a nice way for them to get their arm inside of the business and grab the information that they are actually looking for. To think that this is over a piece of plastic is ludicrous."

Karras says the true reason for the ATF's piqued interest in his shop was his refusal to relinquish the list of customers who had purchased the polymer product. He sat down with Reason TV's Tracy Oppenheimer to discuss why he plans to continue fighting the ATF to maintain his customers' privacy and other Constitutional issues at stake.

"They have trampled on the entire Bill of Rights," Karras says.

About six minutes.

Produced by Tracy Oppenheimer. Camera by Alex Manning and Zach Weissmueller.

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update 3: Reason Magazine interviews Karras

UPDATE 3: Ares Armor CEO Dimitrios Karras on why stay in the anti-Gun Commufornia: "This is my home; I'm not leaving!"

Ares Armor CEO Tries to Reason with ATF over Customer Privacy; Raid Ensues

http://youtu.be/nkexneHJ3vY
ReasonTV
Published on Mar 19, 2014

"This isn't just a second amendment issue, it's not just a firearms issue. It's an issue of an overreaching government that wants to come into your kitchen, that wants to come into your living room, and just see what you're doing," says Dimitrios Karras, CEO of Ares Armor in Oceanside, Calif.

Last week, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) raided Ares Armor to confiscate 80 percent polymer receivers for AR-15s. These receivers are the lower part of the gun that contain the trigger operations when fully completed. The polymer version that the ATF is contesting is not completed and requires the purchasers to finish machining it. The ATF claimed that these are unlicensed firearms, but Karras says otherwise.

"It's an object that's in the shape of a receiver, but it hasn't been completed to a point that it would be considered a firearm," says Karras. "This was a nice way for them to get their arm inside of the business and grab the information that they are actually looking for. To think that this is over a piece of plastic is ludicrous."

Karras says the true reason for the ATF's piqued interest in his shop was his refusal to relinquish the list of customers who had purchased the polymer product. He sat down with Reason TV's Tracy Oppenheimer to discuss why he plans to continue fighting the ATF to maintain his customers' privacy and other Constitutional issues at stake.

"They have trampled on the entire Bill of Rights," Karras says.

About six minutes.

Produced by Tracy Oppenheimer. Camera by Alex Manning and Zach Weissmueller.

Scroll down for downloadble versions and subscribe to Reason TV's YouTube Channel for notifications when new material goes live.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

update: Making Lemonade out of Lemons...Gallows Humor Edition

UPDATE 2: 'ATF-approved inspected AR Lower Parts Kit' for Sale, by Ares Armor! LOL!

Ares Armor Makes Lemonade With “BATFE Inspected Quality” LPKs
By Chris Dumm on March 19, 2014


"BATFE Inspected Quality"!! "Raid of 2014"!! - Image courtesy Ares Armor

The ATF’s jackbooted and illegal raid on Ares Armor has made headlines for days, but it doesn’t seem to have intimidated the National City, CA manufacturer one bit. Instead of bowing and scraping to the ATFE’s scofflaws with badges, they’re using the ATFE’s notoriety to help them move some of their (remaining) inventory.

Stock lower parts kits (LPKs) for AR rifles are as common as Ford F-150 trucks, but Ares is banking on the infamous raid to make their plane-Jane LPKs just a little more desirable.

Since the ATFE turned the Ares Armor offices upside down and ‘inspected’ everything in their illegal search for, well, something worth searching for, Ares is marketing these LPKs as ‘BATFE Inspected.’ And since Ares is being careful not to use the BATFE logo in their advertisements, there’s not a damned thing the jackbooted thugs can do about it. Which is awesome.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

updated: Dimitrios Karras on AJ Show + Shoestring 'Machine Gun!'

Ares Armor CEO on Alex Jones Show; ATF = Completely Insane: Actually, Once defined Shoestring as a "Machine Gun!" - No Joke!

Fascist-Style ATF Raids Ares Armor: Owner Speaks Out

http://youtu.be/QeTMNj6xFWI
THElNFOWARRlOR
Published on Mar 19, 2014

Alex welcomes to the broadcast Dimitri Karras and Lindy Diaz of Ares Armor, the firearms part retailer in San Diego that managed a crucial victory when it obtained a restraining order against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
https://aresarmor.com/

ATF Threaten Gun Dealers After Going Public About Illegal Raid

http://youtu.be/P2YsyzrVyBQ
THElNFOWARRlOR
Published on Mar 19, 2014

Alex continues with the owners of Ares Armor discussing their recent raid by the ATF despite a court order disallowing the illegal search. https://aresarmor.com/

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https://www.facebook.com/AlexanderEmerickJones
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.infowars.net/
http://www.prisonplanet.tv

Pardon me, I literally thought I saw as much govt insanity, tyranny, cruelty, and Kafka-land as they come, but even this was news to me...and shockingly surprising...though nothing should be, by now:

Why the ATF's Firearm Testing Procedures are Scientifically Invalid

After very aggressive action by JPFO and others, the BATFE decided to back down. This article has been re-formated Feb 2012. When pictures expand - note - there is an enlargement option icon lower right on most.

by Len Savage
Owner, Historical Arms LLC

With the amount of documentation now publicly available it has become obvious that there is a serious problem within the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF).

The technicians who work at FTB testify before the courts as "experts" on the technology of firearms. They may or may not have any real-world or industry experience. It is a fact that no technician at FTB has ever held a federal firearms license or ever designed a firearm. Unfortunately the problem runs even deeper than that. The recent public exposure of an incompetent FTB technician, Michael J. Cooney (U.S. v. Glover), which resulted in the dismissal with prejudice of a federal prosecution of an innocent citizen, raises troubling questions about the legal validity of past prosecutions in which Mr. Cooney testified, and possibly those of other FTB technicians.

Congress has given the ATF the task of "classifying" firearms - for instance, determining whether a firearm is a common, semi-automatic that fires one shot with each trigger pull or whether it is a machine gun, designed to fire multiple rounds on one trigger pull (full auto). Numerous gun owners and gun makers have been bankrupted or imprisoned because the ATF stated that their firearms were "illegal machine guns" rather than semi-autos. If the ATF's classifications were accurate, then this would just be a matter for lawyers and lawmakers. But there is ample evidence – and not only in the case of Mr. Cooney -- to indicate that the ATF's classifications are arbitrary and inaccurate. The ATF seemingly does not employ consistent testing criteria and standards.




Gun makers baffled by ATF criteria; Models OK’d on case-by-case basis

By Chuck Neubauer
The Washington Times
Monday, January 2, 2012

That process, known as “letter rulings,” results in various findings about what makes a weapon. Program critics, including the ATF’s former assistant director of criminal investigations, said one determination contended that a shoestring was a machine gun.


"When the rules are subjective and continue to change, we cannot expect these business owners to comply with moving target regulations. These inconsistent rulings from the bureau are confusing and result in a waste of time and resources," said Rep. Phil Gingrey (right), Georgia Republican. (Associated Press)

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is in charge of determining whether a gun model is legal, but the agency won’t say much about its criteria.

Despite overseeing an industry that includes machine guns and other deadly weapons, ATF regulations for the manufacture of weapons are often unclear, leading to reliance on a secretive system by which firearms manufacturers can submit proposed weapons for testing and find out one at a time whether they comply with the law, critics say.

ATF Agent: Raiding Gun Store Was “Fun”
Armed goons took pleasure in forcibly seizing list of gun part owners

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 18, 2014

A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent who was involved in the armed raid on a California gun parts and accessories store this past weekend described the raid as “fun,” according to Ares Armor CEO Dimitrios Karras.

After Karras learned that the ATF wanted Ares’ customer list and inventory of composite “80% lower receivers” for AR-15 rifles, he obtained a temporary order which restrained the ATF from forcibly seizing the items.

However, after pressure from the Department of Justice, Judge Sammartino reversed the restraining order and armed ATF agents raided Ares Armor on Saturday, but not before interrogating customers outside the store.

[...]

The raid has also prompted a number of memes, which can be viewed below. [What's life without some gallows humor, eh?]




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Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

The reality is....

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH SUCH RIDICULOUS RULES to acquire these parts!!!

This is all legalistic bull! And all the ATF is, is a group of thugs who "enjoy violating our rights"..... OVER SEMANTICS!

this is utterly out of hand. The common wisdom in government is "force force force" in conjunction with the absolutely unacceptable ultra ridiculous logic that government puts forth.

GEORGE WASHINGTON'S FIRST STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS, He says the following:

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies."

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

Now the ATF has the list!

Customers beware. One day they may kick in your door to retrieve your purchase.

Our second amendment is being destroyed with the help of governmental agencies, judges not upholding the right to bare arms, and the politicians.

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See if you can find a state felony you can charge the terrorist

ATF with.

Crunch Time

Crunch Time

think I'm beginning to lose count of how many

"Rubicon Crossings" I've mentioned...

Oh Lawd, when oh when...

.o/

time seems nigh...

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

AnCap!

Where da fu** you been, SOLDIER? ;)

Seriously man, have you been building a bunker or something?

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

shh... FEMA region 6~9

reporting in...

,o)

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Heyooo....

ooooooooo.

Seriously: I hope WW3 isn't coming, but a lot of people around the world are really trying to start it.

Not to mention what Yellen said today regarding tapering....

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.