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'Life Starts at Conception...So What?"; Mary Williams from Salon Magazine. Indeed! The Pro-Abortion Rhetoric Hits a New Low.

Admitting that life begins at conception should give one pause to consider actions against that life. There is a universe of difference between 'a blob of tissue' like a 'skin tag' and a child who simply has not grown enough to be born yet. The pro-abortion advocates are learning this, and are taking a darker path yet.

"Here’s the complicated reality in which we live: All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always." http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/so_what_if_abortion_ends_life/

She actually hints at the logical end of what she is saying here, while 'pooh-poohing' it: If a life inside the womb is seen as of little value, how long will it be until the handicapped and infirm who have already been born are seen in the same light? This is where we should see clearly the slippery slope we are on. After all, this is the 'logic' used by tyrants of all stripes: religious and irreligious, to remove those they find 'undesirable'.

Admittedly, I have a vested interest in this, and it's not simply the 'more taxpayers' angle. I have seen evidence of my children's unique personalities from the womb: My first born child's sensitivity to my emotions, my middle-born child's peacefulness and frustration with injustice, my youngest child's bouncy, fun-loving nature.

Others see the likeness between myself and my children and comment and I smile. Then I read about an ultrasound nurse who found a 19 week old girl, and heard them say as the baby girl moved her arms behind her head in the same way her father preferred to sleep:

"Look at how cute she is! I wonder if we let her live, who would she look like?"

I can't see saying this of a kitten or puppy, much less a baby girl!
What have we become as a nation when this is a mindset with any weight?



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You don't get it

You say there is a difference. But its a matter of opinion. You see abortion by birth control to be similar to a miscarriage. Some people see abortion at 20 weeks to be similar to a miscarriage. You can not use the government to enforce your opinion of when life begins. Because that is all it is, an opinion. It is not a fact. As you have already admitted by saying abortion by birth control is similar to a miscarriage. Some pro-life people would disagree with you, and call you a murderer. Which is exactly what you're doing to pro-choice people.

NO. I never said abortion by

NO. I never said abortion by birth control is similar to miscarriage. There is no such thing as abortion by birth control unless you intend to use it as a means to kill your child.

abortion:
a medical procedure used to end a pregnancy and cause the death of the fetus.

miscarriage:
premature expulsion of fetus: an involuntary ending of a pregnancy through the discharge of the fetus from the womb at too early a stage in its development for it to survive.

This is ridiculous. It's stupid to say that the baby in your womb is not life.

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Thank you

I wasn't quite sure what his argument was.I do love your comments concerning this topic.
Deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I read extensively on the

I read extensively on the topic of oral contraceptives because of this very argument. From what I read is that the pill is not intended to prevent implantation but in a rare case a woman's uterine lining could become thin due to the hormones and that could prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. It also indicated that since the effectiveness of the pill is 99.9% affective in preventing pregnancy that this would be a very rare occurrence. The pill is not made to work in that way but I suppose they have to acknowledge it.

This is actually an occurrence that happens naturally without oral contraception. Many women have miscarriages and they don't even know it. If the environment isn't just right...the egg will simply not "stick".

I've only been able to carry one child to term. I have an enzyme disorder called MTHFR (I call it motherfcker). I cannot metabolize folic acid ( synthetic form of folate). It has something to do with a chromosome mutation. It causes high homocysteine levels in my blood. I've lost 3 babies. All of this was discovered after of coarse.

deacon's picture

Well,thanks again

I never really studied up on this topic,that is until the fine ladies here
enlightened me :)
I do so enjoy learning,and it is even better being able to trust the info given.
Am sorry about your troubles with carrying to full term,being a guy,I really don't have full knowledge of the total impact that would have on a person.
It is saddening to me to read it
Loved the way you put vowels in that term :) it does seem fitting to say the least
Thanks again for your input.
Deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Thanks. Oh..if you are

Thanks. Oh..if you are wondering, MTHFR in scientific terms is methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase. Try saying that one.

It's really interesting actually. A large percentage of people have it. Those that do have all sorts of different effects from it from migraines to colon cancer. It's a gene mutation. Why has it mutated? From our food? Maybe. From vaccines? Probably. It is inherited.

Speaking of vaccines, those who have mthfr should not get them as our bodies cannot expel toxins and metal as normal people do.

That includes booze. I get awful hangovers. So much that it hurts my bones.

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I wasn't wondering until you posted that :)

But now I am,will be tomorrows studies :)
We do not use vaccines or get the flu shots,
I have had migraines since i was around 8,and i do understand
about bones hurting,mine do,gets worse in the summer,It seems all of them just scream,and it hurts at times to breathe,This does not make for a real
enjoyable life,as it is almost everyday,all day,and non stop
I do not have to drink to feel hung over,I feel that way all the time,and most days it feels like i have been run over,rode hard,and put away wet
Usually I do not even bring it up,most have no clue nor any bearing on what it all entails,and most have no understanding about it
thanks for your input,I appreciate it
D

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Go to the doctor and ask for

Go to the doctor and ask for bloodwork. Tell them to test you for mthfr. If you are positive for the gene, this could be a huge indication as to why you feel this way.

Note: the doctor will prescribe you blood thinners and folic acid. Do not take folic acid. It will have long term affects on your health. Take folate instead.

Please do yourself this one thing and check it out. At least 60% people have it.

Get better.

Practically everything you just said is false.

Beginning with your first crazy statement: "Abortion has been practiced for over 3,000 years. So, it's completely irrational to suggest that there is some kind of "slippery slope" that will result in society becoming less moral."

So by your thinking since murder has been practiced since the dawn of man if we legalize murder it won't make a difference. Or since theft has been around for thousands of years if we legalize it then it won't make a difference. Makes your assumption sound very ignorant doesn't it.

There will always be degenerates, murderers, thieves and such but when society accepts and even encourages such behavior then society IS on that slippery slope.

Also ABORTION IS MURDER and is just as bad or worse than "thug who murders a store clerk during a robbery" as you put it. At least a store owner has the chance to fight back. It's definitely worse than killing the ones who perform murder in the first place.

"If we can't protect life,

"If we can't protect life, how can we protect liberty"

Who said this?

I think it was an OB-GYN

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Abortion has always been

Abortion has always been around and it always will be. When I was young it was done in a back ally with a coathanger. Many times the woman died. I think we need to go back to those days. I've stated many times and any scientist who is honest will admit that a fertilized egg IS human. It is only the stage of development that is an issue and if you can say that it's ok to kill that human at 20 days but not 30 days you are on very shaky ground. I do not believe the goons in DC should regulate, punish, pay for or in any way interfere with the abortion issue. If a woman is able to abort her child and not get caught by the community then she has gotten away with murder. If a local group of people do not feel like punishing her for this act, she can take it up with her Creator. That is the way it's been for 1000's of years and that is the way we should leave it. Sorry but there's no way you can make a woman want her child and if she kills it, there's no reason we need to whitewash her act - SHE COMMITTED MURDER! The DC goons can't claim "jurisdiction" over a local murder. The feds have no say-so in the matter...

Beware the cult of "government"...

I agree. We may not be able

I agree. We may not be able to stop it but that does not mean we should make it available in a safe and sterile environment often supported with our tax dollars. If a woman want to kill her child, let her do it at her own risk. That's Liberty my friends.

Who down voted this? Let's

Who down voted this? Let's here what you have to say.

On a point you mentioned.

About the lesser value of life of children with medical problems or old people. I agree with what you say but we have already started sliding down the slippery slope on the other side.

We have gotten to the point that we think that we should "save" every life. Since we have started down that slope more and more power has been taken from the individual and given to the medical industry. This is the main reason we have the Obamacare mandate.

Old age has become an illness that must be cured and because of this we are guaranteeing our enslavement to the medical industry which is run by insurance companies.

On the other end we allow doctors to kill unborn babies without cause or mercy. Yet they will spend millions to keep a defective baby alive instead of letting nature take its course.

There is something said about "what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive." That could be an analogy of how men playing God with life has entrapped us all in a web of debt and slavery.

The hardest chains to break are the ones we put on ourselves.

So how come

when a pregnant woman is murdered it is charged as a double homicide?

I see no lesser charge relative to a life deemed less valuable.

Illogical argument...as seems to be the case when selfish hearts rule.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Good question..

I have wondered that same thing; there was a man in Ohio convicted of two first degree murder charges, one for the mother and one for the fetus. But, if it was an abortion, it would be ok? Makes no sense to me, seems like it has to be one way or the other.

Hmmm

You don't see any difference between a woman who wants to keep her baby and a woman who enters into an agreement with a doctor to terminate her pregnancy? If you think a doctor and woman coming to an agreement to provide the service of an abortion as being the same as some thug robbing a pregnant woman and shooting her in the stomach... You're just completely irrational.

Hmmm

You don't see any difference between a woman who wants to keep her teenager and a woman who enters into an agreement with a hitman to terminate her teenager? If you think a hitman and woman coming to an agreement to provide the service of an assassination as being the same as some thug robbing a mother and shooting her teenager... You're just completely irrational.

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Not the same comparison

Every rational person can agree that killing a teenager is murder. Not every rational person agrees that abortion is murder. Even pro-life people can't agree when life begins. You just want to use the government to enforce your opinion of when life begins. You don't have the authority to do that.

what??

"Every rational person can agree that killing a teenager is murder."

Then why are teenagers murdered?

"You just want to use the government to enforce your opinion of when life begins."

When did I say that? I notice you throw that straw man at a lot of people who didn't say it. Why do you keep bringing this up?

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What?

Rational people do not murder other people.

In your former comment, you

In your former comment, you said that abortion is not murder because rational people do it. In your latter comment you said people can only be considered rational if they don't murder. So, abortion is not murder because people who don't murder do it. Circular logic.

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"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

You know what I meant

I said rational people do not murder because you asked why teenagers get murdered if it's irrational to murder a teenager.

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I wonder if she's grateful that her mother didn't abort her?

I wonder if she's grateful that her mother didn't abort her?

She should be, as it's now allowing her to inflict her outstanding intelligence upon us.

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So, is she?

So, is she?

I suspect she is, paradoxically.

Go figure !

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WTF is wrong with these people?

WTF is wrong with these people?

Bragging about it, now?

Man's sensibility to small things, and man's insensibility to the great ones, are the signs of a strange, worrisome disorder.

-- Blaise Pascal

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Pascal was so right.

Pascal was so right.

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The slippery slope concept

eludes her.

'Slippery slope' is a logical fallacy

Just because X happens, doesn't always mean that Y and Z will follow. It's like the people who say that accepting gay marriage will lead to people accepting bestiality.

I don't agree with the article at all, but at the same time I don't think using fallacies as counterpoints will accomplish much.

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