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Screw Having A Drivers License! Who Here Does Not Use One (Successfully!)

After reading the post on NY and their "law" I thought... why in the hell do we still use them? It has been proven via several supreme court rulings that they are not lawfully needed or required to be able to drive a car on the road, so...

WHY THE HELL DOES ANYONE EVEN GET THEM ANYMORE?

If you or anyone you know, has successfully driven without a license in any state, please share your experiences. Also any court cases, or documentation that people can use to prove the legality would be great!

Thanks!!

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here are the two cases, (thanks meek and mild!)

CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

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right to travel

CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

More cases and information:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/travel.htm

thanks for that !!!

added it to the main thread! Now if we can just find anyone who has actually used this successfully IN COURT OR w/ a peace officer, that would be great!

Idiots and maniacs.

John Quade mentioned he never had a driver's license

He starts addressing the drivers license issue around the 10 min mark and another mention around 18 min mark.


http://youtu.be/6dm5wJ1B1V8

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I don't use one and probably

I don't use one and probably never will.

what state you in?(If I may ask)

and how have you been able to defend that position w/local police/courts etc?

Florida. I haven't had to

Florida. I haven't had to defend it so far, but if I had to i'd bring up the fact that we don't need a license to travel under any law, unless it were for commerce. Most Americans are not drivers, they are travelers.

thanks, my feelings are similar

However, I think it is prudent to be able to defend this position in court (and to the cops) strongly enough to not only win, but to prevent either a ticket, or fine.

What supreme court rulings?

It has been proven via several supreme court rulings that they are not lawfully needed or required to be able to drive a car on the road,

Can you cite one of them?

I actually have seen 2 of them , but I misplaced them

They were once listed in a separate thread here some time ago , where a person (or two) had used them to successfully navigate and drive safely on the public roads. What I cant recall, is if he used them in court? or just w/ peace officers. (that escapes me at this time)

If I find them I will post (in main thread) or if someone lists them in the comments

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Please do! Those sound very useful.

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ok their in the main thread now!

now if we can just find some people who have successfully used them!

This isn't a story about what

This isn't a story about what the op asked but just my opinion. Here in south Florida there is a Hodge podge of different people, Europeans, Canadians, Quebecians, and out of state people visiting or "Damn Yankees" (look it up lol).
First, I'm originally from Michigan and the best way to describe driving here is psychotic to put it in one word. People speed 100mph with moderate traffic recklessly driving, swerving in and out of lanes on a daily basis. While at the same time other people are going 20+ under the speed limit in the far left lanes. Idk if it's taught here but in Michigan it's understood that the left lanes on multi lane roads are considered the "fast" and passing lanes, and the right lanes are the slow lanes. People will suddenly jump three lanes to get to exits or suddenly slam on their brakes to make it into a turn lane when they could just as easily continue until they get to a turn lane in the median to do a u turn. The concept of doing a u turn seems like it's too much work for most people down here as well. People will sit at a light with no traffic coming waiting to do a left turn when they could just make a right and hit a u turn at the median just opposite of the light.
To me I feel like I'm in constant danger any time I get in my truck and get on the road from all the psycho people here. So, on the licence topic... It's fucking amazing how any of the people I see driving even pass a drivers training class and get their licences. Though I do agree that drivers licences are stupid I think that places like here in south Florida almost need to make a law that you need to do drivers training classes every time you have to renew which is 7 years here. Not only that but any time you get a ticket (even if you go to a "ticket clinic" and get it wiped off of your record) you should also have to do a drivers training class again. Once you retire or hit 65 the period of time for renewing your licence should be halved so some of these 80 year old dangerous drivers who can't see and have extremely slow reaction times will get their licences revoked to try and keep them off of the road unless there is an emergency or evacuation from a hurricane. Just implementing that would likely make it safer to drive since no one would want to have to go back to take a drivers training class. Please keep in mind I'm only suggesting this for Florida. I know how authoritarian this sounds and yes, innocent law abiding citizens Mau get caught up in it but if you saw for yourself how freaking crazy people drive here no matter how ideological you may think you are you would likely change your mind and agree with this. Odds of this being put into law are really low but sadly I think it's very justified. Don't get me started on crotch rockets either lol, but I understand why they drive crazy because their afraid of the crazies in their cars. /endrant

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In Michigan, it is almost

In Michigan, it is almost required to make U-turns. Many intersections do not have dedicated left turn lanes, but rather if one is attempting to go left, one is required to drive past the intersection and make a U-turn farther up the road. It is a unique set up that I have only seen in Michigan.

Drain the swamp!

Haha SoFla is my home

Haha SoFla is my home :)

Enjoy the traffic and the city protests for just about everything lol

Damn Yankees.

"Yankees visit the south. Damn Yankees won;t go home!"

The question I have is....

...what do you do about insurance?

What about liability?
What about if someone hits and injures you?
What about damage to your property?

well You can stil get insurance, (as you may want it)

as there is insurance via geico that allows you to drive any car and be insured. (others may carry it too)

or

what do you do about buying alcohol?

well I suppose any picture ID would work

passport, or even "state ID card" however the point is if we legally dont need a DL to drive, due to Supreme Court rulings, then why dont people stand up and just stop getting them?

two reasons

immigration and youth

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lol. Whenever I get carded I tell them to keep their

booze and I go buy it somewhere else.

I'm done with using my govt permission slip to buy groceries.

Google is government.

I had a Texas license plate and an old inspection sticker

for 8 years while I lived in Louisiana and I never renewed my Texas license plate registration. I got stopped 3 times during that period and the old plates and registration were never a problem. I saved about 100 bucks a year by doing that and didn't have to waste time on getting an inspection.

I'm really unfamiliar with

I'm really unfamiliar with this. How exactly can you achieve this without getting cited or arrested?

Well therer are at least 2 cases that the supremem court

ruled on regarding this (see Thread) however, I have yet to find someone who has either used this w/ a police officer, or has successfully fought this in court and won.

Driving without a license seems to be quite popular in Montana

My son who lives there said a road block was performed once and 70 percent of the people who were stopped were without licenses. Another son of mine (under 18, and still foolish) once was stopped there and told he ought to get a license. (no other consequence)

When I lived in Missoula I

When I lived in Missoula I paid an extra 15 bucks for the permanent tag and registration. I now use it in Florida lol

Is a license plate against personal privacy?

Is a license plate against personal privacy?

kind people rock

I've used both....

phillip's and flat heads, and have never been bothered for not having a license. I didn't know you had to have a screw drivers license, unless you consider a contractor's license to be the same thing? Does that make me successful? Oops, I went by the headline, not the article. My bad.

lol... I first thought about screw drivers as well

when I first saw the title. It didn't hit me until after I clicked on the link.