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*Update 3* "The U.S. Government has not come clean ..." says Retired General Thomas McInerney on Malaysian Flight MH370

http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/top-general-heres-where-to-look-f...

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/19/retired-air-force-general-... (Bleh)

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-kelly-file/transcript/2014... (Mehhhh)

*UPDATED*
http://www.dailypaul.com/314902/from-an-expertflt-370

(Thanks to Academia and Dwalters)

*UPDATE 2*
http://www.dailypaul.com/314371/rolls-royce-furthers-malaysi...

(Thanks to SteveMT)

*UPDATE 3*

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/petrodollar-alert-i...

(Thanks to joeneesima)

In the Fox News interview with Meghan Kelly (one of the few talking-parrots that gave Ron Paul fair questions during his 2012 POTUS campaign), General McInerney talks about Rolls Royce, Boeing, the US and Malaysian government not releasing everything:

"But my understanding, I haven't seen any data that corroborates that they went south. And understanding this and looking at it and I believe the pilots were involved. (emphasis mine) This was too smooth. This transition was too smooth. I think there is a lot of different intelligence coming out of the Malaysian government that has been not verified. And they're not coming clean with this.

And the U.S. government has not come clean with this. And Boeing and Rolls Royce have a lot of data that they haven't put out in the public air ways, (emphasis mine) and I think they ought to."

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Couple of questions, from me to you, DP:

1. What possible outcome could TPTB want from all of this? If they're trying to start another conflict abroad, who/which Countries are they trying to involve?

2. Are there any "high-profile" fliers that we aren't hearing about out of the piss-stream media? If so, does anyone have "a lead" on that? Maybe post a link? (thanks in advance!)

3. What information does General McInerney have which leads him to say, "the U.S. government has not come clean with this"?

I really hoped that this was a legitimate accident and we didn't descend down Conspiracy Court Yard, but it's looking more and more like a 3-letter agency was involved with, yet, another agenda-driven FF event.

Mighty DP, in all of your wisdom within debate, what says you?



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Iris scans.

That's what they want.

Passports aren't "good enough" for international travel anymore. Iris scan biometrics are "required" to be included in your passport RFID and matched to your scan when you go through security (or board).

That's the TPTB goal.

Mass iris scan biometric collection and database-ization to control movement.

tired of all this speculation

I agree with shrimpton's analysis, read it in full.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/15/the-shootdown-of-mal...

look up on wiki how many ssk class subs there are in the world!!

would our governments really let us know if the chicoms shot thier own citizens out of the sky and subsequently if we sank a sub of theirs, I highly doubt it considering how short of a leash the chinese keep us on.

and dont say stuff would floatso we would see it, because that shootdown site would be cleaned up the minute it happened.

nuff said

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

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Are you also growing tired of all of the lies?

Just released communications of the flight were just reported. There was nothing significantly out of the ordinary except for two things noted in article below.
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Is this the final 54 minutes communication of MH370?
Updated: March 22, 2014

Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/is-this-the-final-54...
http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/is-this-the-final-54...

Consider...

From this article:

Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China

To summarize: while the biggest geopolitical tectonic shift since the cold war accelerates with the inevitable firming of the "Asian axis", the west monetizes its debt, revels in the paper wealth created from an all time high manipulated stock market while at the same time trying to explain why 6.5% unemployment is really indicative of a weak economy, blames the weather for every disappointing economic data point, and every single person is transfixed with finding a missing airplane.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/petrodollar-alert-i...

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Thanks, Joe.

Awesome post at ZH. I don't know why I always overlook that place. No longer (bookmarked).

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The general points fingers at RR & Boeing? Why not our govt.?!!

The US government has the 24/7 real-time spy satellites. Why doesn't this general point the finger at the US government????????? He knows all about the capabilities of Diego Garcia. This guy is a government plant, a troll, who plays dumb about known facts.
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http://www.dailypaul.com/314371/rolls-royce-furthers-malaysi...
The question of whether they know where the plane is can now be answered absolutely "YES". They know, but they remain silent. A message sent anonymously would work to end this nightmare for the families of the passengers. What the hell are they waiting for?
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"Separate telephone facilities for military and public needs are available, providing all standard commercial telephone services, including connection to the Internet. International telephone service is carried by communications satellite. The territory has three radio broadcast stations, one AM and two FM, and one television broadcast station. Because of its equatorial location, Diego Garcia can use geosynchronous satellites over the Indian Ocean and also some over the eastern Atlantic Ocean. Amateur radio operations occur from Diego Garcia, using the British call-sign prefix VQ9."
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/british-indian-ocean-territory#...

I'm starting to believe

that the US is really looking stupid here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/12/05/u-s-spy-r...

Third paragraph down in the article:

“NROL-39 is represented by the octopus, a versatile, adaptable, and highly intelligent creature. Emblematically, enemies of the United States can be reached no matter where they choose to hide,” says Karen Furgerson, a spokesperson for the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)."

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Stupid or dumb-like-a-fox guilty, as in complicit?

Do you consider purposefully withholding important information lying?

Where Is the Jet?

Without the jet and passengers to analyze, we have the creation of another cover story similar to Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, etc, which the majority of talking heads in the mass media will mindlessly regurgitate.

Without verifiable evidence, this mystery falls into the category of the infamous Flight 19 of 1945 which was fictionally depicted in the movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

How many have read the post I linked below?

A 777 pilot and DP member gives his take.

http://www.dailypaul.com/314902/from-an-expertflt-370

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Some answers to your questions.

1. The aim even if nothing else is ever found is: terrorism.
Fear! Terrorists make terror. People will think twice every time they fly now, again, like after 9/11.

2. don't understand this question.

3. This is the setup for the government "coming clean" and releasing redacted satellite date showing the plane going north. If this general had "the real info" and divulged it to the public without authorization, he would either be killed or thrown into prison like Bradley Manning. The general was fed government-approved information to be disseminated to the masses.

#2:

I was just wondering if anyone knew about any high-profile fliers on board i.e. ambassadors, big businessmen/women, the four people who checked in but didn't fly, etc that hasn't been reported yet.

Some more news coming out that the pilot's family has been missing for a week, but it's still early reports on that.

Still could be a distraction like you're saying, though, Steve.

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This article talks about some of the passengers. No one famous.

No high-profile people were on-board.
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Who were the passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370?
IT'S almost two weeks since the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 first went missing and their relatives are no closer to finding out their fate.
By: Dion Dassanayake Published: Fri, March 21, 2014
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465782/Malaysia-Airlines...

The plane either crashed into

The plane either crashed into the ocean or the mountains. Not everything is a shadow conspiracy.

Opinions and Bellybuttons...

everybody's got one...and here's mine:
This airplane thing is a distraction. Recall the Beijing Olympics...during the opening ceremonies with the entire world glued to their TVs, Georgia and S. Osectia (sp.) got to killing each other. Wearing US uniforms, led by Israeli generals...a slaughter ensued without "public knowledge". The last US planeload of trainers left on July 30th and the invasion began on August 1st...while everyone was looking at the other side of the planet.
I wonder what the plane is distracting us from? Is it the 80k+ Russian troops on the Ukraine boarder? Is it the 30k+ NATO troops in Sweden? Is it the obvious CIA connection in Kiev? Is it something sneaky going on at Wall Street? I don't have the answers, but I'm not buyin' what they're sellin'.

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

..umm

Still waiting for your belly button ;D

My guess

Notice that the media is fixated on it like a reality tv show.

This tells us the script-writers plan on having an exciting finish to the story. For what purpose, I can only speculate.

Also since the family moved out coincidentally the day prior to this leads me to believe the pilot/family was in on it, or knew something was coming.

agreed

one big script,

my friends texted me the other day about it , forcing me to dig into the data of this plane mess, i was like yeah i heard about it not really big on my radar since its all speculation and we will all know when we know, i was like what does it matter since in my opinion the false flags being set off in ukraine were and are still a bigger deal.
they were like " it matters cuz our gov knows what happened to the plane and arent saying" well thats a first aint it !! haha ridiculous how we are all concerned about one plane! it will happen again in the future as it has happened in the place , TWA800 and on and on and on... never told the truth.

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Have a source to that, Troy?

Would love to post it in an update.

Thanks for the info, Sir.

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on second thought

it isn't clear from the reports that they "moved" as some sites are reporting.

Rather it's possible that they merely were staying in another house

search in a search engine for mh370 housekeeper moved and you will find a plethora of articles about it.

Yeah I actually did find a bunch

I'm seeing more alternative sites with that info, but nothing confirmed yet.

Not confirmed, but not retracted yet either.

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Beware of retired general "contributors" on Fox News.

I'm not buying that the plane went straight through heavy radar systems without being noticed by flying 80 feet off of the ground....so the story goes.

The general's report is another distraction, another wild goose chase. He wants the plane to have gone north because that is where the wars are and will be. That's how generals make there living either actively ordering people to their deaths or as a retired consultant helping his brethren foment fear in the people while they promote and potentiate war.

The questioning our government part is good, but they he steers this questioning up to Pakistan. Why?

That's something I didn't think of, Steve.

The only counter-punch I have to that is General Wesley Clark and his memo were spot on and he went all over Fox News, CNN, etc etc and talked about it. But of course, it really didn't get anywhere and no one mentions the "General Clark memo" except in alternative media circles.

It is odd considering that we have droned the Ba-jesus out of Pakistan and they haven't really done anything about it (other than bitch out our state department spokesman over the airwaves).

"I'm not buying that the plane went straight through heavy radar systems without being noticed by flying 80 feet off of the ground."

I don't believe it either, but there has to be a reason why this General is saying what he is saying. Book sales? Publicity? Not sure, but that's why I posted this: to find the distraction and the real situation.

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I believe this was a theft

There was something or someone on that plane that was of extremely high value.
China buys records amounts of gold for example right? How do they get it all into their country? Maybe this was a regular gold run? Afterall they limited passengers at 239 (4 were on standby and not able to board). The plane holds 400. That would indicate to me that there was something really heavy in the cargo hold.

While terrorists want attention, thieves do not. Whoever made off with whatever was in there doesn't want to get caught.

I believe both the US and China know where this plane went and are trying to get to it as fast as possible. Indian Ocean search is just a red herring.

had never heard

about the limit to weight on the plane. can you provide a link? would love to read it and add it to my dossier.

People's imaginations run

People's imaginations run wild when there is a lack of physical evidence. I read a Wired repost of a Canadian pilot's thoughts on the matter, and with the little bit of aviation knowledge I have, think his theory of an electrical fire is much more likely than a FF or terrorist act or some other conspiracy. Planes are more likely to go down due to mechanical failure or human error than those things, and considering the lack of evidence towards any possibility, I'm going with the odds.

I think the General might just be a good Fox News producer. Why else would they have him on Kelly's show? Old media is mostly interested in scaring people into watching their advertisements, not informing them, so don't forget that.

I think it was a horrible accident until I see physical evidence proving otherwise.

Wired story: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

Appreciate that, Timely.

I was talking to my wife about the electrical fire theory, and we both agree that it's probably something along those lines or, at least, a very good possibility. I can't remember where I read it but some aviation official within the FAA was saying "Airplane fires in the past usually begin with a problem stemming from the landing gear not properly storing themselves, which creates massive amounts of friction when in take-off."

I'll have to find that article for you and post it.

What really brings me back into the land of speculation is that mainstream outlets like CNN and Fox were both saying that the plane "possibly" changed course. Now, they could have just been knee-jerk reporting on that since they had nothing new, but they have since retracted.

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Ever see the movie "Wag the Dog"

It's just seems strange that if we look to the future and imagine what will be in the history books regarding the events of 2014, I doubt MH370 will be very prominent. The historical event of 2014 that will be in the history books is the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, in fact it may be one of the most historical events of the 21st century. It's interesting that the MSM is spending so much time in endless speculation with this story and so little with the military invasion of a sovereign country.

"I doubt MH370 will be very prominent."

I agree with that. I guess I'm just trying to find the "distraction," but it could be right in my face with the situation in Ukraine.

I appreciate the input, Trux. This is my first created thread at the DP after 2 years! I'll have to contribute some more...I'll definitely do one on Industrial Hemp.

To answer your question: I haven't seen Wag the Dog. I'll be looking it up, now, though.

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