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Atlas Shrugged

I'm FINALLY reading Atlas Shrugged! It's about time - I've started it probably 4 times before this and never gotten over the 25 page hump. I also haven't read since my daughter was born 2 years ago.

Anyway, I keep finding that I want to talk about it and discuss it with other people which is frustrating me! Do you guys have any idea where I can find questions or forums/discussions or reading guides that discuss things in further detail? Also, do you guys love this book or what?!?!

Thanks ;)

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Ayn Rand Institute

I haven't sifted through them, but the Ayn Rand Institute, which has a website, aynrand.org, allegedly has some educational resources for public use...

Just went to Facebook

In search I typed in Who Is John Galt and found 6 pages to join
Then I tried Atlas Shrugged...found 1 page for the book, and one for the movie

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"Who is John Galt?"

"Who is John Galt?" is something you will remember after reading the book or watching the movie.

Fransisco's money speech on

Fransisco's money speech on page 385(aprox) is pure art. Every human should read it and take it to heart. Its the greatest defense and counter to "money is the root of all evil" I've ever heard. Ayn Rand gets a bit wordy, but you simply can't deny the message in that book.

Excellent book...

I think it is an excellent book and sheds light on many things that are happening in our society today.

She lived through difficult experiences in Russia and after escaping that world she started seeing things change here. Having seen some of it before, it inspired her the write.


Someone I know was so moved after reading it, that they put on the sign in front of their business "Ayn Rand was right".

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It's a good book but...

Make sure to not misinterpret it, and don't alienate people by telling them about its ideas in a rude way. People get very defensive if you try to tell them about being a "second hander." Well maybe I'm talking mostly about the fountainhead. Anyway, the mistake I made was I lost my civility when I read those books and kinda rubbed people the wrong way. But I really loved reading those novels.

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I read it when I was 15

And it cured my liberalism. (Collectivist liberalism, rather than classical liberalism). That was almost 50 years ago, and I still count it my favorite novel, though I've developed numerous differences with Rand's philosophy since then. I've probably read it 10 times over the years.

The book's biggest effect on me was the revelation that religions do not have a monopoly on morality; that standards of good and evil exist -- and make a hell of a lot more sense -- than "God said so," as grounds for establishing ones moral code.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Care to elaborate on those

Care to elaborate on those standards of good and evil?

Check out my "personal statement"

Here. Tell me what remains unclear to you, and we'll discuss it.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

I devoted a post to it.

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You asked : )
Let the games begin.

I Googled "Objectivists discuss Atlas Shrugged" and...

"Anyway, I keep finding that I want to talk about it and discuss it with other people which is frustrating me! Do you guys have any idea where I can find questions or forums/discussions or reading guides that discuss things in further detail?"

See http://www.frontrangeobjectivism.com/asrg/
"Atlas Shrugged Reading Groups"

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Up to page 400 or so, it's like slugging through mud,... but after that it gets interesting,... and then it gets AMAZING!!!

"The dearest ambition of a slave is not liberty, but to have a slave of his own."
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
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The Red Pill it is!

PERFECT. I'm on my way over there right now.

To Wraiththirteen

Judges, in the sense of the book of Judges in the bible, would not be government, I don't think. Why? Well, they were individuals acting on their own initiative and with personal responsibility for their actions.

They had no "authority" which allowed them to do evil without personal responsibility or which created the perception that they could do things which would be considered evil if regular people did them. God raised up judges---they were independent individual people whose only special privilege came from God. People make governments. People create the perception of special privilege for a ruling caste. That is the definition/fundamental nature of government. The judges didn't have it.

That is a long one!

I prefer "The Fountainhead."

It is half as long, is a very compelling story, and teaches much of the same philosophy as found in Atlas Shrugged.

Long been my contention as well

Howard Roark laughs.
John Galt scowls.

self indulgent edit:
The Oestre Egg thrown to Alisa Zinovyevna, Heywood Reck, I tried to make the best of Howard Roark and the worst of John Galt. He's still a decent guy, of course, but a little hard to take.

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About 400 Pages In

That's where you really start getting into the meat. Francisco D'anconia's rant on how "money is the root of all evil" is priceless. From that point on, you will have a hard time putting it down, guaranteed.

Took the words out of my mouth...

Best part of the book!!

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Ill keep that in mind! Ill probably keep this thread alive :)

atlas shrugged

does a great job expressing how to much government and cronyism is destructive, unfortunately it seems most people miss that and focus on galts gulch. Its been my experience that its easy for a writer to show an inept bad government than to come up with a good form of government themselves. In fact outside of what our founding fathers did, and the book of judges in the Bible I can think of no liberty minded governments in real life or fiction.

To add on to founders and Israeli's

When you delve deep into Israel back when it had no "leader", then compare it with the form of government we have today, you can actually notice a few things.

1)The Israeli government was nonexistent. They lived in anarchy, the only authority figure would've been Samuel who was God's prophet, he communicated God's will to the people and spoke to God for the people.

Our government, believe it or not, was formed around two discussions.

2a)The main one was economic freedom, the right to own land or start a business without paying taxes on it or be subject to a kings decree or authority. Basically, the right to own property, including ourselves.

2b)Freedom of religion from the state. No one would be forced to worship according to the whims of a dictator. Such as the Church of England.

What can you say is similar between the Israeli's and the founders?

Everything we espoused for in forming our government, the Israeli's had as well. Both forms of government were later subdued and abused by future generations, despite what their ancestors did to give them such a life.

I hear people talk about the corruption of the founding fathers, and yes, many of them did become corrupt, but you really do not understand what they gave up to fight in the first place. Many of them were very wealthy, their businesses were burned down by the British. Many of them had large families, one of which was forced from their home into the woods to live in caves for over 10 years, never to see the man who went to fight for their freedom again.

The majority of those who signed the Declaration of Independence had their lives destroyed. They really did give up their lives, fortunes, and their sacred honor.

Despite what people say, the majority(over 50%) were very knowledgeable Christians. They knew the stories of Israel, and many of them were anarchists. Many of them were of a far higher education than we are today. I honestly believe they understood, it does not matter what form of government you have, because the people could always clamor for a new one, the moment they were gone. They knew governments are corrupt, and tried to place restrictions on the one they created. People around here don't give them enough credit, they did far more than any of us ever did or will, while still having the exact same discussions we all have right now with each other about what is the 'right' way to live.

If you'll notice, Galt's Gulch had no 'government'

The inhabitants didn't need one. Why? Because a moral people do not need one, nor wish for one. An immoral people needs one, and they get exactly what they deserve.

you should be careful with your words haha

You talk as if the American people could never exist without government.

I think you are absolutely correct though, it is something anarchists tend to miss, governments are simply a tool, like a gun, which can be misused.

The real problem is the morality of the people. It doesn't matter if you have a government, or lack of one, morality is what drives our successes.

they had judges

It specifically said that they were rarely needed, but judges are government.

Please look up higher

I made a response to your post.

In our present condition, you are right

We have a government-run judicial system. Dispute resolution, however, does not require government. It can be done through mediation and arbitration, which is private. Galt's Gulch makes no mention of a government.

" law cannot prescribe morality..."

-R. M. MacIver

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I grew up with it

My Dad was an Objectivist and subscribed to her newsletters, all her books, never stopped talking about. Gave me a copy of Atlas Shrugged, like Ron, 74, and told me if I wanted to ever talk to him again, I needed to read that book first.. took me months to read, didn't really understand because I was so busy with a dictionary. I had a hell of a time with John Galt's speach. None of my friends cared and carrying it around didn't make me look smart, but it did scare people. I began wanting to talk about. Cornered bus drivres, waitresses, drunks..

I love: "Letters of Ayn Rand" by Peikoff.. It makes Ayn Rand human, and she really shreds a few people, like Alan Greenspan.. who she was not a fan.. tells him that he doesn't know what capitalism is. LOL

Lexicon is a great site: http://aynrandlexicon.com/

The movie.. parts I & II.. I totally enjoyed.. even cried. Can't wait for part III

John Galt
Hank Reardon
James Taggart
Westley Mouch

Can you guess which one is:

Winner who knows he's a winner
Winner who thinks he's a loser
Loser who thinks he's a winner
Loser who knows he's a loser

Sweet! Thanks Granger! I'm

Sweet! Thanks Granger! I'm only on page 70 so I haven't even met John Galt yet. Who is John Galt? Hehe see what I did there?
I will definitely keep those questions in mind while reading. I have an idea but how should I know? And I'll go check out that site right now :)

Atlas Shrugged is probably

the best fiction book I have ever read (and I read a lot). I love the book. Ayn Rand is excellent at demonstrating the most subtle aspects of the world through the story, and there is an unimaginable amount of symbolism. It is such a great book, and well worth the vast amount of time it takes to read it.