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"God Isn't Dead" selling out in theatres across America! (Didn't you hear?)


http://youtu.be/bMjo5f9eiX8

Bet you haven't heard that on your lame street media!

And its been out, what, two weeks already?

I took my son to see it last night.

50 people were in line when they announced it was sold out and immediately 25 people stepped out of line to leave.

"God Isn't Dead" was showing on ONLY 1 of the 16 screens at my movie house in Clarksville, Tennessee. Yet, "Noah", the movie that hollyweird producers had EVERY mention of God in the movie removed and focuses on WAR, was showing on two screens to 1/3 capacity audiences.

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Disappointed, a great opportunity destroyed

I saw this movie with my teenage kids last week. We are all very conservative Christians and would probably be called "fundies" by some, so let's just get that out of the way right now.

The movie started off well enough. As already mentioned, some of the acting was weak. We found the story lines to be over the top and stereotypical. We have friends who are atheists and friends of all kinds of faiths. We found the portrayal of the atheists and Muslims to purely negative. We do not think of our friends in this light and would have been embarrassed to sit through this film with them. There was no respect from the producers for "others". Almost all the Christians in the film were portrayed as near perfect.

We were sickened by what happened at the climax of the story. The student invokes free will as the final blow to the professor's argument, saying that we choose to believe. Ummmmm, since this movie was using the rules of logic, that just punched a fatal hole in the argument that the student spent the entire film building up, and which, up to that point, we were following in agreement. To sum up our position in a question, if there IS a Creator, how can the creation have the any power over the Creator to choose whether He indeed exists? The only persons with free will were Adam and Eve and they were able to talk directly to God before the fall, at which time free will ceased to exist and we inherited only a sinful nature from which we needed rescuing through the promise and fulfillment of salvation from a Redeemer. (If anyone has further questions as to what I am getting at, it is all explained the the Westminster Shorter Catechism.) That was the first part that made us sick...

What also happened at the story's climax was that the entire audience (minus us) erupted in applause to see the professor trounced. Whaaaaaa? Seriously, where's the love? We watched as Kevin Sorbo's character have his entire world view crushed in public humiliation and what does the student do? He stands there accepting the praise and adoration of his peers. Some may say, "he was giving all the glory to God." Yeah, right. My kids and I were pulling our hair out hoping that the "hero" would leave his adoring fans and go after his professor, "Please, I don't want to be your enemy! I cannot help what I believe, but please don't stop talking with me! Our debate was really challenging and draining. We got off to a bad start. I will always fight for my beliefs, but I don't want to fight you!" Something like that any way. His professor was his superior, and even if he didn't act with honor , he still deserved respect and welcome, especially from a Christian! Arghhhhhh! Such a bad testimony!! Christians need to stop being concerned with winning arguments and start being concerned with hearts and souls of our fellow men, all of whom God created, too, just like us! We Christians are no better than anyone else!

This film could have been something so wonderful and now I fear all it will do is hurt ...everyone. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

It's called masturbation

Those people in line with you were believers wanting a pat on the back. Not a surprise. There are still huge Christian Rock festivals even though the music sucks. Devout Christians showing up to a film justifying their belief system isn't exactly a surprise.

Purely from an artistic point of view, it looks pretty horrible. Overt foreshadowing. Bad dialogue. Unbelievable characters. It looks absolutely ghastly from an artistic approach.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

You'll go blind if you do that too much, eh?

Your, "purely artistic point of view", proves that the self-indulgent pleasure of reveling in one's own religious perspective can be effectively done by an atheist, also.

I'm sure if you could have written the professor's script, this movie wouldn't have the, "absolutely ghastly", conclusion where the believer overcomes the challenge.

Musical tastes vary, but if their lyrics reflected your world-view instead, Mohusk, I'm certain you'd have found them less, "sucky", eh?

Based on your views of pure artistry, if you offered me a glass of pure water, I'd hold it up to the light first; fully expecting to see stuff floating in it.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

You make no sense - not sure of your point

"Your, "purely artistic point of view", proves that the self-indulgent pleasure of reveling in one's own religious perspective can be effectively done by an atheist, also." --- First of all, all artistic review is "self-indulgent" by it's nature. But, it doesn't prove that fairly ridiculous claim that I have a religious perspective.

"I'm sure if you could have written the professor's script, this movie wouldn't have the, "absolutely ghastly", conclusion where the believer overcomes the challenge." ---- Umm.....Duh? Of course not. But, I wouldn't write a movie based on such a silly pretext in the first place. That has nothing to do with the bad qualities of the movie itself.

"Musical tastes vary, but if their lyrics reflected your world-view instead, Mohusk, I'm certain you'd have found them less, "sucky", eh?" ---NO. Not in the least. Bad music is bad music. The music at the Christian Rock festivals (and I've experienced many) is no different than a lot of top 40 pop. They actually use a lot of the same basic tools and structures as secular music. Nope - it all sucks - in my artistic opinion. But, the same people that attend a Christian festival and listen to the exact same type of song, almost to the note, of a secular top 40 hit, won't listen to the secular version. Then, that is not about artistic quality, it is about confirming their religious views.

"Based on your views of pure artistry, if you offered me a glass of pure water, I'd hold it up to the light first; fully expecting to see stuff floating in it." --- Ha Ha. I would never offer you a glass of pure water - I only drink tap water.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Dozens of movies

About global warming, evolution, witchcraft, demonology, and other topics, no complaint. One "Christian" based movie comes out, and you have to criticize it. Who cares! Let them have a movie they can enjoy. No reason to be a dick.

I'd expect anyone whose views are so contrary to dissent

Mohusks replies are understandable and predictable, though always contrary to mine theologically. His artistic perspective here is deeply influenced by his world-view that is in 180 degree opposition to everything this movie represents. Naturally he's going to deride it and anyone who might enjoy; or worse, might be persuaded to believe differently than him because of it.

Lack of complaint against the movie topics listed does not an endorsement of them make. I might even criticize points in, God's Not Dead, if I felt it wasn't acted well, or a better point could have been made than one offered. I might prefer a different style, or beat, of music. I'm not sure whether I'll enjoy this movie the same way the trailer shows us a glimpse of, because many things might disappoint where higher expectations are set for the rest of the story. I'm hoping for much better, while not over-expecting an artistic pinnacle.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

That is a non-sequitur

I have seen many religious movies I thought were well done and of high quality. And, while I don't accept their premise, I am still capable of a catharsis - just maybe a different message. No, I was speaking purely from an artist point of view (I work in a similar field). So, no, I will not "naturally deride it".

I was also pointing out the fallacy in the original post, that the reason people were going to see it was because it was good. It could star Ralph Machio and the worst actor ever (that guy that play Anakin Skywalker) and they would go see it.

And, being an atheist is not a "world view". Quite the opposite actually. It is not a religion, not a world view, not a positive claim, it is simply that I do not believe in a deity. It doesn't effect much in my life at all, and as I've said many times, I rarely even think about it. The only time I do is on the Daily Paul countering religious claims I find offensive.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Baby with bathwater fallacy of logic

I said in my post that they are going to go and enjoy the movie, just that is was mentally masturbatory. I never said they "can't have" a movie - whatever the hell that means.

How do you know I didn't criticize the others? And, I probably didn't see the others because I can't think of one movie with those subjects that I have seen in a very long time. The OP made a claim and pushed a movie, I responded with an honest assessment. Not being a dick, I'm just a person with artistic standards.

That is like saying anyone who thought "Batman and Robin" was a good movie can't be contradicted and criticized, even though it may have been one of the worst large-budget films ever produced and it was one of only three movies I have walked out on 1/2 way through. Art is individual, yes, but that doesn't remove it from the realm of criticism.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

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Implicit endorsement of Marcionism?

I have not seen the movie, but what I found so ironic about this clip I found below is that the Professor mocks the God of the Old testament when he says ”in my classroom, there is a God, It’s ME and I am a jealous God!” and then proceeds to threatens to smite the student’s future in Law School if he goes forward with the debate.

Is this the creators of the movie implicit signal to those who are awake that they endorse Marcionism?

According to Marcion, the god of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death. Contrastingly, the god that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal god of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy.

Marcionism, similar to Gnosticism, depicted the God of the Old Testament as a tyrant, a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaiK0-CJoeo

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds. - Bob Marley

I Saw It Last Night

At the 5 pm showing. The four of us who came together were the only ones in the theatre.

The story was flawed and a bit muddled, and the acting hit and miss. Apparently, God is involved not only with life and death but also automotive repair. He both allows and negates free will. Conservatives who believe in God are portrayed as villians if they aren't Christian. God, apparently, makes an effort to save people by killing them slowly.

However, there was a good reading list alluded to, and I'm still thinking about some of the questions raised.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Often misunderstood..

"God, apparently, makes an effort to save people by killing them slowly."

Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

IMissLiberty, the comments are not directed towards you personally, only to the point that you bring up. And I only replied because this is something most people of faith have heard over and over throughout their walk with God. Please do not take any of this personally.

I haven't seen the movie, but many of the flawed arguments by anti theist, start with "If there was a God, then why would he ........?, or why would He allow ......, or why would a child be let to ........?"

I look at my life as an eternity and the physical part is simply a flash of time. There are two possible deaths, one is of the physical body, and one is with God. The physical death doesn't really amount to a whole lot when you look at it on the grand time line of eternity. The "death" with God can decide that my eternity isn't so grand, and make what physical life I have, quite miserable. BTW read "Death with God" as an absence of God or a spiritual death, not a physical death. I couldn't imagine my life if I didn't have my faith, love of God, and the life that I have achieved through His direction and guidance.

Sorry, went a little long on my lead up. The point is this..A life of health, riches, and earthly glory is pointless if you don't eventually get on the right track with God. God works in mysterious ways, and if someone suffering, such as dying slowly as you speak of, helps that person get on the right path, then it is well worth it. If tragedy happens and it gets people to thinking, and some get on the right track because of it, then so be it. I live my physical life to the fullest, because at the moment I can still do so, but my ultimate goal will not be on this current and physical earth. About 1/2 of my "flash of life" is over, and it truly was a flash. It does no good to pretend like we can all live forever, and that nobody will ever suffer. It truly sucks to see people suffer, or live short lives, but their shorter flash won't even be quantifiable given the eternal order of things.

Bad things happen, but we move on whether physically or spiritually. I'd gladly die at this moment if it would somehow help move someone to accept God and His teachings, that otherwise wouldn't have.

I don't know...

I saw the trailers and I don't know. I still think "God on Trial" is among the best films on the existence of God ever made.


http://youtu.be/dx7irFN2gdI

pain ≠ evil

The man in the clip makes a very dramatic and passionate and even reasonable argument that God isn't good, but it depends wholly on the assumption that pain and death are evil. If that was the case, how would God prevent pain and death? By taking away all freedom, because if people are allowed to interact freely with one another, they will hurt each other. And everyone here at the daily paul recognizes that that would be the true evil.

To understand the purpose of pain and death, you must consider existence as eternal and realize that who you choose to become is far more important than how comfortable you are in this life.

A news article I read years ago talked about a girl with a rare condition that made it so she couldn't feel pain. Raising her was a huge challenge for her parents as she would do things like bite through her own tongue while eating, touch hot things until her hand was blistered, and strip flesh from her own finger with her teeth (because none of it hurt, a child's curiosity was unhindered). Her mother said of her child's inability to feel pain "Some people would say that's a good thing. But no, it's not," says Tara Blocker, Ashlyn's mother. "Pain's there for a reason. It lets your body know something's wrong and it needs to be fixed. I'd give anything for her to feel pain."

I am grateful for the pain I've had in my life because I would not be who I am without it. If you have to live with yourself for eternity, what could be more important than who you are?

"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him?" -Thomas Jefferson

Not a bad movie

It was a fairly enjoyable movie. Great acting by Kevin Sorbo( Hercules), He played the role of the angry atheist professor incredibly well, I thought some of the other actors were kind of weak however. All the bad guys in the movie were incredible actors, I felt they kind of stacked the deck too heavy in that direction as all the Christian actors in the movie, or people portraying the Christians, were rather weak actors, plus I was not fond of the ending with what happened to Kevin Sorbo, but I won't ruin it with spoilers.

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Didn't know this movie

Didn't know this movie existed. Thanks for the heads up!

Beware the cult of "government"...

God's Not Dead - He's surely Alive

And the proper title is different than the thread title above, based on the title of a Newsboys song that is featured in the movie.

Here's the official trailer and the Newsboys official video of that song, with over 5 million views:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMjo5f9eiX8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_OTz-lpDjw

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

The Bible will never make you

The Bible will never make you genuinely happy.

Of course it won't make you happy,

no object can; although it may give some a feeling of closeness to GOD. Now having said that, each individual has the freewill to choose his own beliefs and destiny. So, let each choose his own, without criticism, so long as he hurts no other.

Please expand and educate..

what inanimate object, such as a book, WILL make you happy? Not sure about you, but I was taught at a very young age, that the only thing that can make me truly happy is being truly happy with myself and my actions. The Bible has certainly helped me attain that.

Your comment sounds like a moronic and impotent attack on a large portion of freedom lovers. Perhaps thinking before we speak?

And yes, I know I too should think before I speak sometimes. :)

The Bible doesn't make you happy, it makes you joy-full.

Happiness comes and goes throughout life, but a joy-filled heart, fueled by the substance of things hoped for (Jesus), and the evidence of thing not seen (the evidence that supports a Creator) transcends "happiness".

This is why true Christians are able to go through trials that would crush others, and come through on the other side.

Restore the Foundations - "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

I read blurbs on both, then chose "Noah"

"Got Isn't Dead" is a Believer-as-victim screed, as described by the promotional blurb put out by the producer. I'm sure it will play well to believers who think of themselves as victims of overt persecution by non-believers. I dispute the premise, so I decided I really didn't want to sit through two hours of straw-man bashing.

I've chosen "Noah" for the next movie I'll take my wife to.

I guess someone never

I guess someone never actually attended a philosophy class at an American college.Christians are the victims in the secular American college system.

Courses in Philosophy at Univ. of Mich and Hillsdale College

At no time did any professor or TA intimidate, belittle, or otherwise push any religious agenda in any class I attended. They were far more concerned with Socrates and bashing Capitalism.

Certainly my experience does not mean no teacher ever had a 'god' complex. But I doubt it is common, and I'd go so far as to say it is rare.

Nevertheless, we all like seeing stories that reinforce our mindsets. A friend of mine, now deceased, regaled me constantly on the insipid anti-semitism all around him. Any story or movie that showed overt anti-semitism, and the Jewish triumph over it, was an inspiring story or movie that he just had to read or see. Well, my experience said that his perception of reality was a bit skewed, and I really did not enjoy seeing yet another movie beating up on the strawman anti-semite. I avoided his forms of entertainment.

By all means, if "God Isn't Dead" sparks your fancy, I hope you go see it. It just doesn't do a thing for me.

I think RJ had it backwards, and no one needs to be a victim

The philosophy prof asserts that he's the only god in that classroom, and demands to be worshiped by compelling his students to write down on paper those three words, "God is dead", as their first classroom assignment. By eliminating the competition, the prof can then assert the level service to his ideals that he wants his students to have.

When the student refused to comply, because his Christian faith informed him otherwise, the gauntlet was thrown down to either explain why, or quit the class. When it looked like he was winning over some of the other students, it made his atheistic prof so outraged that he looked like he was ready to physically tear into him.

The word, "victim", is too easily tossed out to describe any person unfairly disadvantaged, but this guy rose to the challenge and overcame, so no victim here. I agree that college profs here, and abroad, use their tenure and grade-giving powers to hold dissenters back, while only favoring agreement with a good grade.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

You are a believer; I'm sure the movie gives you comfort

So be it.

Thank you for your deep philosophical perspective

and emotional approval. I'll try to be counted more worthy of your conversational indulgence, and let it be so.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Apparently my comment struck you as condesending

It was not meant to be.

It was meant to be an acknowledgement of our differences and an understanding that, given your assumed beliefs, this movie would have meaning to you. I accept that. It not only does not have meaning to me, but it features an uncharacteristically aggressive atheist as the antagonist. This is a stereotype in many people's minds (I hear it almost daily on the Mark Levin show) that is far different from the reality in which I live.

Some years ago in St Louis, a well respected conservative Catholic writer made a speech in front of a sympathetic crowd. His thesis was that the ills of the world could be laid at the feet of non-believers. Faith, he declared, was the necessary ingredient of Western Civilization, and as we lose it we will decline as a people. The speech made me uncomfortable because he was blaming ME for poverty, immorality, socialism, etc. Fortunately, during the question and answer period, a man asked if atheists are bad people. Surprisingly, the speaker said 'no,' that the atheists he knew in academia were almost unfailingly kind, thoughtful, and moral. That was my experience...yet atheists were at fault for the world's troubles? I could never square the two statements.

I do not wish to argue about what you should or should not believe. That's your business, and I'll assume you have good reasons for the beliefs you hold.

This statement isn't based on "assumed beliefs" but fact.

"...college profs here, and abroad, use their tenure and grade-giving powers to hold dissenters back, while only favoring agreement with a good grade."

I experienced it unrelated to religion - except in the sense that Paul Samuelson is viewed as a god by some.

Edit: While I don't agree with all of David Horowitz' views, he did research this issue, wrote two books on the subject. I recommend Indoctrination U. http://www.amazon.com/Indoctrination-Lefts-Against-Academic-...

I can understand your thoughts about the two statements. Let me say, first, that I don't belong to a church. I personally believe that "the church" has done the gravest disservice to Christianity through (to name a couple of various reasons) keeping Christians Bible illiterate the hypocrisy of leaders.

Okay, having said that (and not that there wasn't hypocrisy years ago), looking at America... this country's founding, along with the founding of its institutions, reflect a belief in God and Christian/Protestant values. [There is much info at David Barton's Wallbuilders website re America's religious/spiritual heritage.]

It's not that atheists are bad people! Nor good. Nor are Christians good people, nor bad, Catholic or Protestant. But, given that Protestant values were inherently reflected in our culture for centuries (including public schools) - with the majority of citizens being Christian, even more of their parents, and even more of their grandparents - it's simply impossible to parse out "from where" someone might have derived values such that influenced him to become "kind, thoughtful, and moral."

You might want to check out the documentary Agenda, by former State Representative Curtis Bowers - documenting the plan on the part of communists to take down America from within. (This was no hidden agenda, either.) Anyway, the point is, Marxist leaders certainly believed that to be successful, they'd have to first weaken the church & corrupt the country's moral standards, that atheism and socialism/ communism went hand in hand.
Karl Marx chart on infilatration (filled in as documentary progresses) - http://agendadocumentary.com/store/karl-marx-chart/
Full movie - http://vimeo.com/63749370

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

That's a better reply, thanks

Even though we disagree on the premise of this movie, that shouldn't make my enjoyment of it, and/or "comfort" by it, a certainty. No one wants their perspectives disrespected by bad actors, scripts, producers, or peers; so I'm not sure how it will be for me until I see it further. Often shallow, over-simplistic plots disappoint what ought to be a better movie than the trailer leads you to believe, especially when it seems to endorse your views, but then fails to deliver.

I'm not sure why you'd be a daily listener to Mark Levin, but I will say that at certain points his theology is further from mine than yours appears to be.

I won't try to air our differences here, but since you were thoughtful enough to listen to a theologian once, perhaps you might endure just one more who frequently lectures and Q&As at colleges world-wide. His topic title is, "The Incoherence of Atheism".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6cTlDn4PiU

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass