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"Vladimir Putin is one of the greatest leaders of our time."

Those of us who have died to our country and no longer see the world through the tainted lens of American nationalism are ripe for accepting this.

He has great moral courage. He has declared war on the International Financiers and expelled the Oligarchs.

Have you ever listened to him speak? He, like Ron Paul, speaks off the cuff what he honestly thinks and has piercing insight. Youtube this guy. He actually cares about Russia, and is fiercely protective of her.

But most importantly, he is very hesitant to commit to any sanctions or military action involving other nations. If he does, it is strong and decisive. There is none of this political wavering. Here is a real person in the political world scene.

I haven't been on in a while since Ron Paul didn't get the nomination, but Putin is a breath of fresh air. Here is a great article about him. I'd love to get some feedback.

http://thebilzerianreport.com/is-vladimir-putin-the-greatest...



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Let us not forget Putin's past as an agent of the KGB

and his alleged status of Royal Arch Freemason.

'...what [Putin] represents is something that is a holdover from, believe it or not, Josif Stalin. In 1936, Stalin struck a most extraordinary deal, one almost unknown in the West, and even when known, little appreciated by Western analysts, for in 1936 he reached an agreement with the locum tenens of the Russian Orthodox Church, Metropolitan Sergei. The agreement is known, within Orthodox Church circles, as the “Sergian compromise,” for by its terms, the Church was allowed to retain and in some cases even to open seminaries to train clergy, in return for those clergy be being recruited as agents for the internal state security, the NKVD, forerunner to the KGB. The long-term effect of this was, in my opinion, two-fold, for while it might be argued that this hollowed out the Church, by the same token, the NKVD/MGB/KGB eventually found itself being staffed by Orthodox clergy. In short, the Orthodox Church, creator of Russian culture and a repository of Russian national culture and aspirations, entered the intelligence business. The long term result is Vladimir Putin, with an intelligence background and a practicing Russian Orthodox believer.'

http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/01/enough-with-putin/

Stalin, like the other Russian "revolutionaries" was Jesuit-trained.

Josef was accepted into the Catholic Cappuchin run school at Gori. He graduated in 1892 first in his class and at the age of 14 he was accepted to enter the "Orthodox" Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia), a Jesuit institution to be trained as a Jesuit priest.

In spite of contrary history written about the Jesuit run Seminary, the Jesuits remained in Russian territory after the order was banned by Alexander I in 1820, maintaining control of several institutions, including the Seminary of Tiflis.

Stalin himself openly admitted the Jesuit control of the institution in his famous interview with Jewish Journalist Emil Ludwig (Cohen):

Ludwig: What impelled you to become an oppositionist? Was it, perhaps, bad treatment by your parents? Stalin: No. My parents were uneducated, but they did not treat me badly by any means. But it was a different matter at the Orthodox theological seminary which I was then attending. In protest against the outrageous regime and the Jesuitical methods prevalent at the seminary, I was ready to become, and actually did become, a revolutionary, a believer in Marxism as a really revolutionary teaching. Ludwig: But do you not admit that the Jesuits have good points? Stalin: Yes, they are systematic and persevering in working to achieve sordid ends. Hut their principal method is spying, prying, worming their way into people's souls and outraging their feelings. What good can there be in that? For instance, the spying in the hostel. At nine o'clock the bell rings for morning tea, we go to the dining-room, and when we return to our rooms we find that meantime a search has been made and all our chests have been ransacked.... What good point can there be in that?

While accounts of his time at Tiflis have been changed many times, it is universally accepted that Stalin was the star pupils of the Seminary. As a result, the events of 1899 remain shrouded in mystery.

In the final week of his studies, having completed seven (7) years as the star pupil of the Jesuits, Stalin is variously claimed to have quit or been expelled. Neither account, adequately explains how a seminary student of seven years, suddenly appeared influential and active in coordinating the Georgian Social-Democratic movement less than 12 months later - an achievement that could not possibly have happened without substantial support.

The more credible and controversial conclusion is that Stalin did graduate from the Jesuit Seminary as a proper Jesuit priest, with his first assignment being to infiltrate and manage the Georgian underground against the Russian Tsarist Government.

Again, the fact that Stalin was awarded an academic position at the Tiflis Observatory gives credence to his Jesuit credentials and completed study. His double life as a secret leader of the May day uprising of 1901 less than 2 years from graduating from the Jesuit seminary attests to his skill as a key Jesuit agent.

http://one-evil.org/content/people_20c_stalin.html

The knights of Malta maintain a strong presence in Russia and additionally, as previously mentioned Putin is alleged to be a Royal Arch Freemason; freemasonry being controlled by the Superior General of the Society of Jesus.

Well

Well, George H. Bush was head of the CIA! And, he did not know where he was on the day JFK was assassinated! And, there is a photo of him standing in front of the Dallas Book Depository on the day JFK was assassinated.

Yesir

GHWB is a Knight of Malta; they knew about the hit and went there to see it take place. Lots of Maltese Knights were in Dealey Plaza that day to witness it. Also lots of Maltese Knights were in high positions of authority within the US government which enabled the assassination.

I appreciate Micheal Nystroms tolerance

and his decision not to censor.

But Putin is a fascist monster, straight up. Like GWB he's ex intelligence and all that implies. He's economically ignorant running his country on the fuel of corruption and oppression, and now arguably, expansion.

Just because we do not approve of the U.S. government and it's adventurism, and may even agree that the U.S. government is a graver threat to humanity world wide, this does not make Putin somehow a 'good guy' much less a 'great leader'. Just because we recognize the U.S. and E.U.'s provocation gave Putin an opportunity to good to pass up doesn't make it right.

This is not a good guy vs bad guy situation. This is a really bad guy vs even worse guy situation. Who is bad and who is worse is an open question, but what is absolutely certain is he neither is a 'good guy' nor a 'great leader'.

KGB trolls kicking around?

Since when do you get down voted on the DP for calling out former politburo thugs for being bad-guy thugs and not great leaders. Is this opposite day?

An Effective Leader is not necessarily

An Effective Leader is not necessarily a Great leader.

I'm reminded of the 'Leader of the Free World' line so often used to describe the American Presidency. Do Free People need or require a Leader, especially the one who commands the most destructive military the world has ever experienced?

Putin reminds me of Bush Senior in regards to his role in the FSB and then as Russia's president. Sure Putin is making Obama look pretty pathetic these days, but it is worth noting his checkered past that made his current position and power available.

I think comparing him to Ron Paul is pretty weak. Putin does not seem like he is for Individual Freedom as much as he is for restoring Russian Nationalism.

First this is to echo a

First this is to echo a previous comment: Putin did give Snowden asylum. And he seems to have guided Russia well through some difficult times, It just seems a bad idea to put any leader on pedestal. Hubris from anywhere leads to disaster.

Does any one know how intrusive the various levels of government on the daily lives of people? Do they have growing swat raids cameras on every corner, constant spying on citizens? Do they have loads of bureaucratic laws that keep people from going into business and becoming self sufficient? I don't even know where to look for that info.

Vickie

They do not.

Here is a good video where you can actually listen to Putin speak and learn about his policies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33oIF-ggK5U

Thanks for your honesty. Russia is much more civilized than the U.S. today, and most here are still in the Cold War mentality, and believe Putin is something he is entirely not. Also, most here have not so much as clicked on the link of the article I originally posted.

John F

That is putin

Are there other not rah rah Putin source about the state of liberty in the USSR. I am not talking about the adolescent girls desecrating Holy Sites. I mean the right of ordinary non-NGO supported people to go about their business.

Vickie

I don't know where but probably.

I lived there for a while and my experience is that there is still a lot of low-level corruption. The regular police harass people for bribes often (I had this happen to me once), and there are gangs, etc.

But as far as a feeling of Big Brother spying on you, that is a thing of the past. None of that exists anymore under Putin. I think its one of the reasons his approval rating is so high. He has restored national pride to a large degree.

John F

thank you

When did you live there and for how long?

Did the winters really stink?

Vickie

Honestly,

I never went through the worst of the Russian winter. I lived in Moscow in 2005 from May until early December, and was in Novosibirsk for a few months in 2012, leaving again in November. From what I saw, the winters are of course very harsh, but the people there are so used to it... I live in Texas now and its the opposite: people freak about about 50 degree weather and start putting on layers : )

In Russia, no one wears shorts (except foreigners) and they always seem to expect it to be cold. They take a jacket out even if its July and 80 degrees. Then they curse the heat...

John F

Well thanks for giving us

Well thanks for giving us something to think about.

Vickie

It is too soon to tell.

Putin is now 61 and will be 62 in October. He has been in power, either as President or Prime Minister, with Dmitri Medvedev as President, since 2000.

He and Medvedev were both university students, in different years, at the Leningrad (later St. Petersburg) State University where they were mentored by Law Professor Anatoly Sobchak, one of the co-authors of the Russian Constitution. Putin graduated in 1975 and Medvedev in 1987, Putin with a specialisation in International Law and Medvedev in Civil Law.

Putin comes from a poor background although his mother and father both died within one year of each other at the ages of 87 and 88 respectively. Putin's mother had him secretly baptised as an infant into the Orthodox Church. (In this he reminds me personally of the prophet Samuel, whose mother Hannah dedicated him to God as an infant.)

Their backgrounds are a contrast, as are their personalities. Medvedev came from an academic family and his father died at the age of 78 in 2004. His mother, born in 1939, is still alive. Putin was very aggressive and physical as a teenager pursuing judo training while Medvedev was very bookish and hurried home from school to complete his assignments. Later however at university, Medvedev was involved in rowing and weight-lifting. They were, effectively, both only children. Medvedev was an only child while Putin had two older brothers who died before he was born.

It is impossible in my view to separate a man from his close associates and from the context of the times in which he lives and during which he achieves his life purposes. In this regard it seems to me that Vladimir Putin has associated himself with those with whom he shares similar concerns about reforming Russia to serve her people and to become a constructive member of the community of nations. They also appear to have the necessary qualifications to achieve their purposes and have thus far rescued Russia from a very lawless beginning after the dissolution of the USSR and have put in place a structure of governance that adheres to the principles enunciated in the Russian Constitution.

He has also, with his associates, established good relations with China and the other BRICS nations and has actively pursued integrating trade, monetary and banking arrangements with them that will come in handy should there be another financial crisis in the West.

In everything I have read about him and from him, I have not discerned any outlandish ambition for a new Russian imperium. On the contrary, he has pursued, with commendable rigour, the principles of democratic sovereignty and the rule of law with which he began his first Presidency. He has openly admitted that he has had to rule with greater firmness in the earlier years, due to the condition of the nation, but that, as stability becomes the norm, a more relaxed temper will prevail in inter-regional relations. In all of this he has always acted within the letter and spirit of the Russian Constitution.

All in all I believe that Vladimir Putin is indeed an important world leader who will, with his associates, have a constructive influence on the world in the years to come. His name means "to rule with greatness" or "to rule with peace". His counterpart in China is Xi Jinping. His name Jin Ping means: Jin: Gold, Metal, Money. Ping: Peaceful, Level. So we have here two witnesses to peace through the rule of these two men. Thus far I believe we have already seen evidence of this happening.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

just cause someone doesnt appear to rush to war

Does not a great leader make. This dude is no walk in the park. He is just as maniacal as others and is right at home in Russian red. I really am quite concerned when people will take a blind eye to leaders of the world but the US is the most evil govt on earth? no not so. Sri Lanka and ussr have us beat by a long shot. Don't give put in an award simply because on foreign policy at this one issue you think he is doing the right thing.

But "greatness" is not "goodness"

Vladimir II may well go up there with Abe, Joe, Adolph, Vladimir I, Mao, & Genghis. His story is still young and be has many bodies to pile up before he catches up. All of the aforementioned have had a "great" impact on history, as has had our current (Barack Hussein Walker) Bush. Just because Dubya and Barry are thugs doesn't make Vlad not a thug, but still -- the enemy of my enemy is often my useful temporary catspaw.

but anyway, you said "our time", so I guess I'm gonna hafta givya that

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I wouldn't get so cozy...putin knows his masters, it appears.

The Patriarch of Moscow is likely who he is being controlled by..Putin has made a public effort to strengthen relations between the orthodox and Catholic church.

gimme a break

He is profoundly Orthodox...not a Catholic

Look of mistrust...

He's not kissing the ring.

Putinism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putinism

Read the wiki.. it just gets better

Putinism (Russian: путинизм) is a term used in the Western media and by a few Russian analysts to describe supporters of Vladimir Putin. The term is used, often with negative connotations,[1][2][3][4][5][6] to describe the political system of Russia under Putin Presidencies (2000–2004, 2004–2008, 2012–present) and Putin's Interim Prime Ministership (2008–12) where much of the political and financial powers are controlled by siloviki. Many of these people, with a state security background, in 22 governmental security and intelligence agencies, (eg the FSB, the Police and the Army.[7][8][9]) share their career background with Putin or are his personal friends.[10][11][12][13][14][15][16] (See also Political groups under Vladimir Putin's presidency)

The political system under Putin was primarily characterized by some elements of economic liberalism, a lack of transparency in governance, cronyism and pervasive corruption, which assumed in Putin's Russia “a systemic and institutionalized form”, according to a report by Boris Nemtsov as well as other sources.[17][18][19][20][21][22] Between 1999 and autumn 2008 Russia's economy grew at a steady pace,[23] which some experts attribute to the sharp rouble devaluation of 1998, Boris Yeltsin-era structural reforms, rising oil price and cheap credit from western banks.[24][25][26] In Michael McFaul’s opinion (June 2004), Russia’s “impressive” short-term economic growth “came simultaneously with the destruction of free media, threats to civil society and an unmitigated corruption of justice.”[27]

Wikipedia????

You can't be serious!

Wow. Don't you realize that Wikipedia is used as an official apologist for the actions and policies of the U.S. government?? I can't believe you're citing this as an actual response.

John F

Got an alternative to wikipedia?

If you don't have an alternative to wiki, then I would say, you may be in a program that is designed to dumb you down.

I can't believe you think Putin is Russia's Ron Paul.

This is nonsense

Putin promises sham elections and is a reformed Communist authoritarian, nothing more. The day we lost credibility with Russia was when George Bush had the gaul to mention to Putin that Russia had to take further steps towards democracy, towards which Putin replies, "like Iraq?" Everyone in the press corps laughed.

Putin is a smart leader because he knows what the common people will never know. And he manipulates it. He is an authoritarian, and he is concerned about Russia's sphere of influence.

You won't want to hear this here, but the US and the Soviet Union were always very similar. Not in command economy, but in world view. Both wanted global hegemony. Both wanted "peace through strength". Both wanted to test their nuclear weapons, and did so, successfully, thousands of times.

What the common people don't know is what allows them to sleep at night. Its that freighter headed for North Korea with nukes we don't know about. Its the CIA and the FSB screwing around in the Ukraine. Its the false flag, and maybe real, chemical weapon explosions in Syria. We never know what really happened because the cold war became a cold peace. It can become a cold war again and it will be at the expense of the people, as it always was.

Nationalism is on the rise. The US has always been a nationalist country at heart. And when the world economy hits rock bottom, republics and democracies move towards authoritarianism, collusion, and rampant nationalism. We have seen its face before in the national socialist workers party in Germany. Their coins printed with Aryans holding sledge hammers stating "A good day at work". We have seen the symbols of evil in the 20th century and they come when the middle class is wiped clean of their assets.

A direct conflict with Russia is not feasible in Europe and neither is a proxy war. It never has been. By invading and occupying Crimea (lets stop calling it a treaty action for God sakes), the Russians may be threatening the west to get rid of a puppet government. Either way, annexation is banned since WW2 and is the start of cold relations with Russia. Putin calculates this action will increase the Russian sphere of influence in its surrounding territories and also allow them to control oil movements into Europe and Canada. The US calculates it will isolate Russia.

Either way, these calculations are a step in the wrong direction, with even Turkey hoping to create a casus belli for war with Syria. The power brokers in the world are in trouble because they can't find a place to start another war for profit. They are desperately trying to find one, whereas Turkey even took down YouTube to prevent their plan to launch a false flag on the Ottoman Empire sultan's grave (under Turkish control in Syria) from being revealed. Obviously this backfired and everyone in the world knows about this nutty plan.

In any case, the world leaders hunger for war while the common people hunger for peace. I don't feel bad for the world leaders. Russia is run by a ego-maniac and the US is run by the NSA or something... this Obama guy is not at the wheel just like Bush. I don't see any improvement in that department.

With that being said, good luck picking sides. They want you to, in order to divide and conquer.

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First,

This stuff about democracy is making my stomach turn. How's that working out for us here? I don't know if you're advocating it above, but it doesn't work. Especially not the way the U.S. does it. Thomas Jefferson referred to the "tyranny of the masses." Unenlightened, self-seeking mobs shouldn't rule anything AEB our current situation. Democracy here has failed. No one should emulate what has been done in this country, or Iraq, or any other place we've been.

We may well need a (morally) good authoritarian in this country, just as a spoiled child needs to be spanked and made to eat his vegetables. From what I've seen, that's all Putin has done in Russia. He's paid off the Rothschild banking debts, booted out the corrupt oligarchs, and drawn a line of separation between politics and business. Yes, he wants to keep Western influence out of Russia, but what the heck is wrong with that??

Please stop comparing today's Russia with the Soviet Union (this post about Vladimir Putin). It is totally different. Putin himself has referred many times to the horrors of those days (granted, he believed in some of what they were doing at the time).

Are you kidding about the annexation of Crimea? The West were the instigators here, and grabbed almost the entire Ukraine. Unbelievable.

The United States is the king of false flags so what are you talking about? I am not aware of any false flags perpetrated by Putin's Russia, but perhaps you can bring something to my attention. Are you implying they are behind the Turkey thing?

Putin has shown that he is very hesitant to engage in any confrontation with other sovereign states. That's America's business, to butt into the affairs of every country in the world! Don't you know that? You gotta be kidding me with some of this stuff...

John F

Putin

There is a role for democracy in a republic. Russia has neither. Putin has been in office for decades and gets 90%+ approval rating every time he runs. Their elections are sham elections. There is NO question about that. I'm NOT saying it is the US role to spread our form of government around the world - or democracy around the world. I am saying we need to lead by example. Might doesn't always make right. "Let us hope that right makes might" - Lincoln

As far as Ukraine, if you remember your Internet stuff, there was a tape that leaked awhile back with the US diplomats talking about forming a pro-wrestern government there and to "f*ck the EU*. We are making a lot of enemies with this foreign policy. It is like they learned NOTHING from Vietnam or the covert overthrows since WW2.

Russia leaked that embassy tape, and because they are listening, and we are listening, they know a great extent of what we know and vice versa. At the end of the day, all this nonsense will do, is raise commodity and gasoline prices for the average citizen.

They're not going to fight in any war against Russia. They don't care about Crimea. If Russia invades all of Ukraine and positions its troops near other former Soviet satellite states, then there will be a major worldwide crisis of epic proportions. That hasn't happened yet.

But I knew this day would come as soon as we invaded Iraq without a UN resolution. Remember, I want to like this administration. I really do. We should feel proud, as Americans, that we elected the first black man int office. But I can't feel proud about his policies - many of which I'm not sure are even of his design, especially when it comes to foreign policy.

It is a mistake to think Putin is not a dictator, because he is. We still have some semblance of hope here. Russia never had the Enlightenment, they never had a lot.

Oddly enough, it was the Czar of Russia who defended the United States during the civil war, by claiming he would declare war on any nation that recognized the Confederate States (especially England, who loved the idea, for obvious historic reasons).

What we want is more justice, more peace, and more understanding for the rights of our people. Do you know how much propaganda the west uses to gain leverage around election time and in general? They keep claiming Iran has nukes or is about to get them - for 20 to 30 years! Guess what, their ally, Russia, could send them a hundred, in about 24 hours or less! 90% of what you read is 1% of the story 100% of the time. I can sleep well guaranteeing that.

My thought, though, is, don't betray your allegiance to your country for Putin, the FSB, and the Russian Federation. They know we are at a disadvantage because of our actions towards them (missile defense shield), as well as no moral authority due to our invasions. They are taking advantage because they know the American public is against war now, they see what the world sees, and that is we are empire.

They look like they are definitely trying to put themselves in a permanent adversarial posture with us - again. The United States is playing this down, but it is in crisis. Commodity prices will rise. Oil and gas prices are going up fast.

What we were trying to do with that missile shield was to nullify the potential use of nuclear weapons as mutually assured destruction. To make ground wars against nations with nuclear weapons possible again. That is what they perceive and they are probably right.

We needed Ukraine in the EU and NATO to put a base right on their border and this does damage their ICBM and short-to-long range missile capability. It may never be used, but look at it from both sides.

The stated goal of US foreign policy is to prevent the rise of a new superpower using *any means necessary*, even though they concede it is inevitable. We should stop playing poker, let them invade Ukraine, and watch the whole world abandon them one by one.

There are rumors Israel sent nukes to North Korea (highly speculative rumors), but we are dealing with the breakdown of international law since the invasion of Iraq. What is happening here is going to be Obama's legacy and we are ruining our chances for real peace with the Russians and Asia by acting belligerent. However, diplomatic bellicose is not the same as a physical invasion and annexation of foreign territory. It is the first sign that war is wanted or accepted if presented. It has happened over and over again.

I tell you to be wary of Putin and put your own country first, no matter how messed up it is right now. He will not do you or I any favors were his tanks to come rolling down our streets. Make no mistake about it.

You want me to

put my own country first, "no matter how messed up it is." You seem to argue it both ways. I'm confused. You think the missile shield is a good idea, but you also think we should "let them invade Ukraine, and watch the whole world abandon them one by one."

You seem to be against some of what we are doing, while at the same time rooting for it. You say we should be "proud" for electing a black president even though you imply that he has been a bad one. You claim we have a "semblance of hope." You imply that Russia doesn't.

Frankly, this is nuts. I couldn't disagree with you more. Rather than speculating on how Putin might go bad and we might turn around and be good, I would prefer to judge things as they actually appear to be now. And in that case, I continue to hold the same positions.

John F

Yet...

In this country, it is your right to disagree with madmen and their machinations. In Russia, once again, we see the rise of the gulag.

The OP or your comment is nonsense.

Any links, or just personal opinion.

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