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Does Smuge Pot live or die?

Here is a question and I am seriously gonna listen to your input and I will explain why.

Some of you know that I am sick, I have this horrible illness and I fight it ever single day but it's a losing battle. I have so far outlived expectations that I actually feel silly still standing here.

I have been holding onto hope that somehow medical science might come up with a cure.

Miracle of miracles, we think it's here! 93% effective. It can't come fast enough to undo the damage that my body has taken but it could buy me another decade. Imagine that! That would put me into "normal" life span.

Thing is the stuff costs like $80k and let's just be honest here: for $80k you should be able to buy a whole clone army of Smudge Pots. For $80k you should get the patent on my genome and an endless supply of Smudge Pots. Forget it. Ain't gonna happen.

But if I sign up for the Obama/medicare thing, I get these pills for free and that buys me a new lease on life.

OK let's take it real. You know and I know that this cure, this medicine would be coming from you to me. Somebody has a gun to somebody's head. It would be nothing less than rank and filthy CAPITULATION and we know that is WRONG.

Well ideology is nice and all but I literally have this decision to make. Take the cure and live longer or die faster.

The one thing I want to know: would I be letting you guys down to take this cure? Or would that be one step too far?

Would that be like OH DAMNSIT IF SMUDGE POT GIVES UP WE MIGHT AS WELL ALL GIVE UP?

Cause if that's the way it is? Then I'll hold the line. And that's how much I think of you guys. I'd rather die for something than because of something.

Tell me. Would I be letting you guys down if I took this cure? I guess it's kind of a stupid question but I want to hear it from you.

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The best revenge...

is to live well. Live well for Liberty Sir!

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

No question

Do it. It's the governments fault they cost so much (FDA).

scawarren's picture

The medicine wouldn't cost

The medicine wouldn't cost $80k if it hadn't been for government interference so I say sign up and get the pills. We need you here for as long as possible :)

Individualism-
To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
e.e. cummings

I assume

Regardless how despicable, the ACA is law and you are required by law to sign up.

Might as well use it....

Pay it forward..

Keep your life and use it to bring light into the lives of others~

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

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Love to Smudge Pot

"If you leave, don't leave now, please don't take my heart away..."

Stick around. With love,

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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The fact is that no matter

The fact is that no matter who we elect, the government will never shrink. At this point, it is totally out of control and will grow until it implodes. Only after the future financial implosion will we have a chance to have freedom, therefore, to have freedom in the future, we need to bring the beast down, this is best accomplished by everyone jumping on the welfare bandwagon! Apply for food stamps, welfare, ObamaCare, unemployment, etc. If we all do our best to overload the system, I might live long enough to get a glimpse of the future society of freedom!

Live.

Live.

What is the name of the drug?

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Take the drug (even if it comes reluctantly) from..

the government. I'd rather see you live, and NOT die. You can't really control the system that we have to live in, and I'd rather have you alive (when you know the better system of free markets in medicine), it's not really your fault that we have more than half the country that doesn't believe in freedom (and forced the ACA on us), just do what is necessary to survive while fighting for a better system for yourself and posterity!

God Bless ya!

Jeremy

Easy choice.

Whether or not you sign up for the ACA doesn't have any impact on the amount of taxes collected, so it doesn't violate the NAP. In fact the more government money" you take, the less they can spend on hellfire missiles and fema camps.

FiresofFreedom's picture

Oh dont you worry.

Even if we dont have enough money for our bombs we will get our good friends at the fed to loan us some money (with interest of course). So we will be back to blowing people up and destroying 1000's of lives before you know it.

Take The MEDS Or Die Smudge Pot

After you are cured then we can talk about meditation. Right now it doesn't appear that you are strong enough in your convictions.

Just look how you are vacillating on should I or shouldn't I...

Are you so brain dead that you would rather die then take some MEDS that may cure your illness?

Don't make me come over there and finish the job...

Boom!!..........:)

Smudge

They took your Free-Market away from you. Do you really have a choice?

In California here I now have the choice of Medicaid(Medi-Cal) or pay for an unsubsidized plan that will cost me $390/month. I had my choice torn away from me. Two years ago I was on a plan for $140/month same provider, deductible and out of pocket. The private markets prices inflated with Obamacare.

They are picking and choosing who gets my money and who doesn't. This is sad, very sad. I will not be getting any insurance in some sort of silent protest, but I am only 27, so I am just crossing my fingers.

Gotta have you around Smudge, you have done more than enough for the movement. This will not compromise the work you have done and certainly should have no effect on your pride. Get better, do what you are now FORCED to do.....

Why $80,000?

My guess is the only reason the wonder drug costs $80,000 is because someone, somewhere, knew it would be covered by Obamacare. Kind of like College Tuition and Federal Student Loans go hand in hand. There is nothing wrong in using the system you don't support.

For example, I don't agree with income taxes, but I pay them because the law requires me to. I also have 4 kids and take advantage of child tax credits because I qualify. Should I take a tax credit when my friend makes the same amount as me, pays the same taxes, but has no kids and doesn't get tax credits? Its not right, we would both agree on that. We should both pay the same into the system, but it is available to me, so I take it. I figure the less money the government has available to them, the less damage that they can do.

If its available to you and you aren't going to break any laws, there is nothing wrong with complying.

Now, if the whole system were different, and insurance companies had to compete and drug companies weren't influenced by the FDA, and free markets reigned, you should pay for what your insurance required. Of course in this alternate reality, the drugs would be much cheaper, and if you didn't have the money to cover the costs, your church, friends and neighbors would.

Take the pills, but put your hope in God. That is the only way you will have peace through this situation.

tasmlab's picture

Sign up for Obamacare

Sign up for Obamacare.

You've already been the victim of them cocking up your ability to buy insurance, establishing the monopoly on health care provision, raising the cost of pharma development and a thousand other reasons why this medicine is not $8/month and available 10 years ago.

You are just responding to the environment at this point.

Currently consuming: Harry Browne, Free Domain Radio; JT Gatto and Holt; Wii U

So here we go, I'm afraid of this slippery slope.

You guys know that if it's good enough for me it's good enough for you.

So did we just open up the flood gates on the handouts?

I have been telling the young people for years to TAKE EVERYTHING YOU CAN GET BECAUSE YOU ARE BEING ROBBED and there's only one possible source of blame:

everybody that's older than you.

Know why Granger still gets the absolute respect of some of us elders no matter how much she's like hugging a cactus some days?

Because Grange and some of us have put in DECADES of work trying to fix it and if we could't stop it at least slow it down, we tried everything we could think of and we tried it twice and we have been doing this LONGER THAN MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE and...

we failed you. There's no other way to put it. Even our best wasn't good enough and we leave you a screwed up nation on a screwed up planet.

Know what the fact is to my mind?

Food prices are gonna take another jump up, they are rising right now and a whole swath, a whole sector of America isn't going to be able to adequately feed themselves and their children. You need food stamps. Many of you do. When it comes to you people, ETHICS BE DAMMNED, OYATE YANIPICTELO!

OYATE YANIPICTELO! THE PEOPLE SHALL LIVE!

But do you realize the rest of this world, the world that looks at The Daily Paul to find out "what libertarians are thinking", do you realize that they will point there fingers at us and not just call Smudge a hypocrite, we run a danger of them calling ALL OF US HYPOCRITES.

And I, Smudge Pot becomes the poster child for a libertarian hypocrite. The leftists are gonna have a field day with this one. They are gonna be like WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE KOCK BROTHERS YOU WHINER?

A smudge pot is a small price to pay but are you sure that is all you are spending here? Hey, by native norms I have already lived a full life, I am an elder, I'm not in any major existential pain here, I am entirely sure I am already happier than I have any right to be, I look forward to crossing over and I long to be reunited with my ancestors and loved ones. But the manner in which we approach our loved onces is important and one wants to have something good to tell them.

I guess this explains why I have come to you for counsel. Because there are things that are more important than this life.

To me, you are among those more important things. Every single time I have had the great honor not only to secure you but train the people that secure you every time we gather in mass, sometimes without your knowledge, that was us going without food, without sleep and literally putting our bodies on the line, anybody wanted to hurt you would have to get through us and we were NOT letting that happen.

Some of those times are the greatest honor I will ever have in my life. In fact, pretty much every time part of me way praying to fight and die for you because that's kinda the total dream. The whole "death with honor" thing. To be joined by patriot warriors and stand shoulder to shoulder and putting our lives on the line, I cannot imagine a greater honor. There are no people that can confer a greater honor upon me.

So you see that I am already perfectly willing to die to uphold you. But there's also that component of service: if I am truly willing to die for you then I should be willing to live for you. No price is too high.

One of the basic things all warriors, all oath keepers, all those of service have in common: our lives are not our own. We dedicate them. And you guys need all the warriors you can get.

There are, in total, about 70 R3VOLUTION Marshals. I'd feel more comfortable with 700.

These are the matters I contemplate. I know what's important to me. I'm considering what's important to you.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

About that Koch

See, I've been thinking.. we have a headlands that was a mill, owned by geogia pacific, owned by koch.. Bush made the shoreline a national monument (to protect rocks) and so 500 feel inland a trail is being constructed (we're going to completely be surrounded by state parks (rangers/massive authoity) anyways..

I had this vision.. really cool.. where a ego eden dome, aqua theatre/desalination plant, and nursery for abalone/dungess crab, all ties into the campaus that is closing to offer trade school/ certificates/ internships and job opportunites, alternative energy, salt business, .. tried this sktch-up program/ fail.. photoshop fail. Computers are not me.. lost my drafting board years ago.. anyways.. it's on my mind.. because I wrote to Koch.. haven't heard anything.. wrote to a lot of people, and all the feed back I do get is positive.. but this drawing the thing out stumps me.. must be the fine art degree.. so.. you made that call yet?

Ohh summery: I think Koch is part of the solution.

PS (((thank you for the kind words)))

LittleWing's picture

Community Supported Seawater Greenhouse!

Here is the post from DP member GCN3030, posted in Feb. which is very similar includes drawings,plans and a fundraising link.

This fundraiser is for building a Community Supported Seawater Greenhouse in an arid coastal desert. Basically the idea is similar to a CSA or Community Supported Agriculture program, except the main difference being that instead of a traditional farm this will be formed around a Seawater Greenhouse. The idea is also unique in that its main purpose is charitable; it is intended to help impoverished people living in an arid coastal desert by enabling them to work in the greenhouse in exchange for a share of its produce, i.e. pure fresh water and organic food.

The Community Supported Seawater Greenhouse will be designed to be economically sustainable so that all operating costs are paid for by sales of the produce; any profits that are subsequently generated will be shared by the members and reinvested to maintain, expand, and ultimately build more Community Supported Seawater Greenhouses in a self replicating fashion.

Community Supported Seawater Greenhouse!
http://www.dailypaul.com/311985/community-supported-seawater...

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Truth is

We have a lot of community supported non-profits. I work as a volunteer for a number of community supported oranizations, and most folks who live here.. we have quite a hive and a close community because of it, but we need jobs and an industry to replace the industries that built the community in the first place.

I figure, the UN Agenda isn't going away, either are the Kochs.. so it's about establishing a green industry where there once was a industry that didn't have to deal with the EPA.

Have you seen the desalination plant in Spain http://inhabitat.com/charles-patons-teatro-del-agua/

The Eden Project I recomend a video tour it's anpther functional attraction that would enhanse the environment http://www.edenproject.com/

And a abalone nursery based on a clam nursery in FL
http://www.clamdelivery.com/nursery.htm

We need to generate cash flow with attractions that work for the community. Thank you for your input and sharing the link from GNC3030

Have you seen the movie 3 Days to Kill?

Kevin Costner playing the lead CIA agent role, opts to take an experimental drug to prolong his terminally ill life in exchange for one last kill assignment. His motive in doing this is to reconnect with his estranged daughter. He is estranged from his wife as well, but he still loves her. I went with my ex to see it as I felt he would identify with the long lost daughter connection, and he was very moved by the father-daughter scenes where Costner stumbles through his attempts to renew his parental role. Although the movie is not on my top must see movie list, I would highly recommend it to you. When someone dies whom we love, we never get a second chance to tell that person how much we loved him/her. If you have a chance to extend your life even for one day, don’t hesitate to do it because you will further enrich the lives of your friends and family as they will do the same for you. What greater thing is there in life? That is infinitely more valuable than the cost factor.
As George Carlin said, “Give time to love, give time to speak! And give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.” And “But for those who love, time is not.” Henry van Dyke

Not sure

I do not know what ails you Smudge but you should know true , whole medicine exists only in nature. I suggest you look into Chaga mushroom and birch bark extracts , both most powerful and long and widely used.
A couple books on the subject if you do not want to online everything are- The cure is in the forest and Chaga. King of the mushrooms.
As for me I refuse to use toxic drugs with expensive price both physically and monetarily when most all the medicine we need is created by God already . I say this having been run through the system and watching my loved ones suffer and die on big pharma just because they had insurance.
I had my Dad doing better with his illness's till he told the "Dr" what supplements he was on and of course told him to stop them.
Just my two cents.
Best wishes

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Dwight D. Eisenhower

Smudge Lives

That's my vote.

Don't feel too bad taking from the redistribution…you've been redistributed FROM, so it's no crime to try to receive some of the benefits, especially when it is to save your own life, and life that helps spread the ideas of liberty to others.

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I guess I don't know you as well as I thought

Either that or the hardcore purists are reserving judgement.

I admit. You brought tears to my eyes. And you made a trade. You are willing to trade for a smudge pot. That's just...gosh.

I was kinda leaning the other way but a man once said "advice is what you go for when you know the answer but wish you didn't". The idea being that we seek a way out of the hard road. I actually figured you guys would help me walk that hard road but you guys offer me the light and easy road instead.

So shall I chide you all for being soft on our values and not hard on me? AHA! Nailed you being ideologically inconsistent! So you have ethics but you are willing to bend the rules for smudge. Somehow there's a puritan in me, deep puritan blood running right in there with the native and the puritan is constantly shaking a stick and yelling GET OFF MY LAWN YOU STINKING KIDS!

I am gonna meditate on this deeply. Let's say you have just profoundly shifted my whole outlook on this thing. What I mainly feel right now is gratitude and a sense of relief. Still not 100% sure what I'm gonna do but as long as I'm not letting you down.

I think that is the single biggest factor to me. The rest of this world can put their opinion on a kite and fly it. I can't let you guys down. That is too high a price for me to pay.

Ye ain't getting much for your $80k if we do this. I'm still just gonna be a smudge pot. But maybe me and Susan will find a little place and you can all come by and get smudged. That's a nice vision. I'd like that.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Now you're going to procastinate

and call it meditation? You asked, you got the answer.. gosh dang it, GET ON THE PHONE.. going to meditate LOL.. Moving to the Himalaya's? Ommmmmmmmmmmm

Gee whiz.

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I can't remember the last time I upvoted you... :)

Glad I got the chance.

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If I had my druthers...

I would see the government, all of it, burn... I'm a purist. At times, I have softened my view to make exceptions. This isn't a time that I need to, because you are simply owed everything you can get from the system. I posted my mugger analogy that I would like for you to read if you are still having any doubts/concerns about accepting the medication:

http://www.dailypaul.com/315672/smudge-pot-single-payer-and-...

In no way would you be sacrificing principle in this matter... Now, hurry, go sign up, the "deadline" is happening... :)

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Matthew 6:27

Dear SmudgePot,

I can not tell you what you should do. As a member here I think we all agree that ultimately it is your decision to make.

As a Christian this does present to us a dilemma on whether to trust in God or man.

Dependence on God.*
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n “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat [or drink], or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?
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Look at the birds in the sky; they do not sow or reap, they gather nothing into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are not you more important than they?

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Can any of you by worrying add a single moment to your life-span?*

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Do not worry about tomorrow; tomorrow will take care of itself. Sufficient for a day is its own evil.

Peace

of course we want you to sign up, take the meds, and live

I do have some questions, though:
What exactly is your medical condition and what is the name of this drug/treatment?
Have you considered having a fundraiser or a place for donations?
Why have you been living without medical insurance all this time?

In any case, I wish you all the best and keep fighting!!!

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson