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In “Noah”, The Fallen Angels Are The Good Guys

In “Noah”, The Fallen Angels Are The Good Guys

By Michael Snyder, on March 30th, 2014

In “Noah”, the fallen angels are “good guys” that were kicked out of heaven because of their compassion for humanity, they help Noah build the ark, and they ascend to heaven when they die helping defend the ark against a band of marauding evil humans. Director Darren Aronofsky stated that he attempted to make “the least biblical biblical film ever made”, and he may have achieved that. In “Noah”, almost everything is the opposite of what it should be. Instead of villains, the fallen angels are heroes. Instead of a preacher of righteousness, Noah is depicted as a psychopathic maniac that hates humanity and wants to kill his unborn grandchild if it is a girl. The movie somehow finds a way to avoid using the word “God” the entire time, and during a scene where Noah explains to his family how the world was “created”, the film displays visuals depicting Darwinian evolution. But all of the controversy surrounding the film only seems to have helped it at the box office. In fact, it pulled in approximately 44 million dollars in North America alone over opening weekend.

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Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine

The Council of Nicea took place in AD 325 by order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of church bishops and other leaders with the purpose of defining the nature of God for all of Christianity and eliminating confusion, controversy, and contention within the church. The Council of Nicea overwhelmingly affirmed the deity and eternality of Jesus Christ and defined the relationship between the Father and the Son as “of one substance.” It also affirmed the Trinity—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were listed as three co-equal and co-eternal Persons.

Constantine, who claimed conversion to Christianity, called for a meeting of bishops to be held in Nicea to resolve some escalating controversies among the church leadership. The issues being debated included the nature of Jesus Christ, the proper date to celebrate Easter, and other matters. The failing Roman Empire, now under Constantine’s rule, could not withstand the division caused by years of hard-fought, “out of hand” arguing over doctrinal differences. The emperor saw the quarrels within the church not only as a threat to Christianity but as a threat to society as well. Therefore, at the Council of Nicea, Constantine encouraged the church leaders to settle their internal disagreements and become Christlike agents who could bring new life to a troubled empire. Constantine felt “called” to use his authority to help bring about unity, peace, and love within the church.

The main theological issue had always been about Christ. Since the end of the apostolic age, Christians had begun debating these questions: Who is the Christ? Is He more divine than human or more human than divine? Was Jesus created or begotten? Being the Son of God, is He co-equal and co-eternal with the Father, or is He lower in status than the Father? Is the Father the one true God, or are the Father, Son, and Spirit the one true God?

A priest named Arius presented his argument that Jesus Christ was not an eternal being, that He was created at a certain point in time by the Father. Bishops such as Alexander and the deacon Athanasius argued the opposite position: that Jesus Christ is eternal, just like the Father is. It was an argument pitting trinitarianism against monarchianism.

Constantine prodded the 300 bishops in the council make a decision by majority vote defining who Jesus Christ is. The statement of doctrine they produced was one that all of Christianity would follow and obey, called the “Nicene Creed.” This creed was upheld by the church and enforced by the Emperor. The bishops at Nicea voted to make the full deity of Christ the accepted position of the church. The Council of Nicea upheld the doctrine of Christ’s true divinity, rejecting Arius’s heresy. The council did not invent this doctrine. Rather, it only recognized what the Bible already taught.

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It always fills my heart with

It always fills my heart with joy to know that the "TRUTH" (tm) was decided upon by a vote given by the sort of despicable Roman oligarchs who would be able to flourish in post-republic Roman politics.

You see that's why I know that the bible is the word of god & Jesus was a his own son and father. Because Emperor Constantine and his fellow politicians voted that way at a time when all politicians were sure to be good people, picking the bones of a Republic they destroyed with perpetual welfare and warfare.

P.S. I love the way you added "Overwhelming" when describing that well over 60% of the present politicians voted to make Jesus into a god. As though a high majority of votes somehow validates a fairytale and turns it into reality. News flash, truth is not arrived at via democracy.

But hey, who needed all those "conflicting" versions of Christianity? Especially given that they were mostly pro-Jew and anti-Roman in a time when the Jews were in open rebellion against the empire, and winning. Amazing how Constantine's democratically assembled bible is suddenly pro-Roman and anti-Jew. Especially given how the Dead Sea Scrolls would later prove just about all of it to have been bullshit invented by the Romans to help quell said Jewish uprising.

But that's not the only reason these politician scumbags wanted Jesus to be a god instead of a mere mortal. It was also so that people had a deity they had to bow down to (whose earthly representatives ran the church of course) instead of an example of virtue that they should follow without need of said church. It wouldn't do to have people attaining heaven without tithing and submitting to fat assholes in fancy hats.

How on earth any humans still buy into this horse shit is so far beyond me I cannot even comprehend it. Pure madness.

Come on

Yeah i feel better that Luciferian D-heads like you can slam the Bible while i am forced at gunpoint to pay to support BS lucifeiran macro-evolution taught in "public" schools.

Yeah there is NO freakin truth in evolution, it is full of more holes than the bible .. so great d-head of the beyond please tell me where we came from and our purpose in life oh enlightened one??

To be luciferian, id have to

To be luciferian, id have to believe in stupid cartoonish fairy-tales. Typical Christian though, anyone who doesn't share your inspid delusions is a "luciferian." Ya, no xenophobic hate there huh? No wonder the priest has ever been the enemy of liberty.

Evolution seems pretty solid to me. Whales have leg bones and finger bones. There are hundreds if not thousands of transitional fossil records.. but of course that's not good enough since it doesn't support your book of lies.

Where do we come from and whats the purpose? I don't know the answer to the first one, because im not willing to invent answers like a douche, and then pretend they are real. As to the second, I have my own meaning, its up to you to come up with yours, just like everyone else. Or you could be a mental midget and have everything handed to you by the liar on stage whose tithe plate you fill up every Sunday.

This Will Be...

...completely wasted on the indignant lemmings who do not take the time to read closely what you have written and consider it. You will be accused of the very errors they will make in accusing you. The Dunning Kruger effect is amply demonstrated as true here, whenever the literal bible and christian historical narratives are challenged. Sad that the religious tail can so vigorously wag the so-called libertarian dog.

Jews were in open rebellion and winning?

If you're talking about the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 136 CE, that's almost 200 years before Constantine's reign. Or is there another Jewish revolt/rebellion? Also, my understanding is that the Christian and Jewish views were clearly divergent in the 3rd century as evidenced by Diocletian's singling out the Christians for persecution.


Yeshua's followers in Judea/Samaria were Jews. There were no Christians yet.
Yeshua essentially employed a non-aggression principle, passive resistance method in his opposition to the Roman occupation of Israel.

While the 'grass-roots' Jewish people were behind the 'Young Rabbi from Nazareth', the elite Sadducees who had a financial stake in Caesars reign were opposed to him because he threatened their hold on power over their own people. The Sadducees ran the Temple. They has traditionally been the ones to accept payment for sacrifice to the Lord in the Temple. When Caesar conquered Judea he kept the Sadducees in power, to pacify the Jewish population, in return that they accepted only Caesar's coin as payment in the Temple. Yeshua knew this to be blasphemy, as Caesar's coin declares right on it's face that Roman Caesar is the living god.

The majority (though not all) of the Pharisees (Jewish high Priests/Rabbis) were also opposed to the Messiah as he was a threat to their authority as well, which like the Sadducees, was guaranteed by Caesar, that he may pacify the people.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

My questions relate to the time between the Bar Kokhba Revolt

and the reign of Constantine.


Some helpful context. If read carefully with magwan's angle, it is not difficult to make the connections and understand that what happened to "the Way," as it was first known was a co-opting for control and revisionist orthodoxy. The non-messianic jewish religious went their way and the other various sects and factions that developed were either buried and labeled heretics or they were taken over. But this requires more precise and objective study than most have time or inclination to do. Magwan is also correct to note the pro-authority slant of the bible post-co-opt. Voila. The modern-age NWO descendants are still riding the chariot. Talk about irony at the DP.

Yes, the Truth has been buried...

But that doesn't mean the Truth is not the Truth.

Messianic Judaism is growing by leaps and bounds, here in America, around the world, and even in Israel.

I agree that the Rome Empire has long ago co-opted the Messianic movement/Christianity, and that it has turned it into a hidden form of paganism..

I believe Judaism, as it is now, has no future without the Messiah.

I also see people waking up to these facts without giving up their faith in the Bible and in G-d. I believe when one follows the path and looks for the answers you'll find they point towards Messianic Judaism being the true historical past of the Judeo-Christian religion, and the only workable future.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?


...I had to set aside messianic judaism, but that is a story for another day. I suspect that modern-age judaism will need Messiah for survival, as you believe. And I do agree that the roots of the Judeo-Christian religion are, in fact, credited to messianic jews. In fact, they are the unsung intellectual masters of what comprise the NT writings. But I must respectfully disagree that it is the "Truth" and that it is the only workable future. I've been on this path for 50 years, in and out and around. I appreciate your grasp of some important history and sharing it here to help the conversation.

How does it feel being the problem?

Seriously, this is bad. Your post merely makes assertions which prove that you have not read the document you pretend you have sufficient knowledge to condemn.

In particular, your claim that the Bible is pro-Roman is laughably absurd. It deserves to be mocked and nothing more - clearly you haven't read the Bible. The Romans and especially their puppets, consistently, are portrayed as blowhards, @$$hats, incompetents, or petty tyrants.

In addition, only someone who is lying or willfully ignorant would think that the Romans in any way favored Christianity; Christians were viciously persecuted on and off for decades. The fact is, Christianity and Judaism both were complete contradictions with Roman law, specifically the laws requiring that the Emperor be venerated as a god.

Anti-Jew? Again, proof that you haven't actually read it. The New Testament is FAR more sympathetic to Jews than to the Romans by a huge degree. I mean COME ON, Jesus is -explicitly- labeled the "King of the Jews." The fact that the Pharisees are called out on their crap is not anti-Jew, it's anti-hypocrisy and arrogance. Bad people, no matter their nationality, get called out; Jesus despised hypocrites in particular.

The Dead Sea Scrolls? REALLY?! I just double-checked to confirm, and I was indeed correct - NO New Testament biblical compositions are contained within them. Nor anything related to the New Testament. Even the para-biblical texts contain nothing but apocrypha related to the Old Testament era. The rest are secular documents! If you'd like, here's the FREAKING WEBSITE. WHERE THEY LIST EVERY. SINGLE. DOCUMENT. This took me all of THIRTY SECONDS TO FIND. Are you really THAT lazy?! http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/home

We are therefore forced to conclude that you are either ignorant and outspoken, or intellectually dishonest and/or lazy to a ludicrous degree.

No thanks. After I saw that

No thanks. After I saw that awful movie with Denzel Washington "Book of Eli" I refuse to watch any crap that hollywood puts out thats "pseudo-realistic" is the best word I can think of to describe it. Dont even bring up Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" either...

Not to mention the fact that Russel Krowe showed up at the pope's door and was like "yo! pope! I'm a super VIP actor doing a christian movie lets have some casual BS'ing in private" and the pope was like... nope your just some regular person. get in line. lol. (extreme ad-lib and sarcasm inserted).

Though if you ask me, I think that the movie of the comic Constantine has the most realism considering heaven/hell, angels and demons. Thats just my opinion though.

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Totally, here's the most

Totally, here's the most realistic depiction of the great flood I've ever seen:


It really captures the realism of the historical event that totally happened for realz.

Hollywood Making A Fictitious Movie About A REAL Event

1. To tell a different but perverted version of the Bible story about the God of Noah, Noah's family and and the SIN nature of the people that lived at that time.

God destroyed man and every living thing because man became so corrupt, so SINFUL or DEGENERATE that every living thing was also infected...

Similarly, in the story of Sodom (Sodomites) & Gomorrah, everything in the twin cities also had to be destroyed by God.

Moreover, Hollywood is making BIG BUCKS off of our ignorance to go see such twisted movies, full of untruths and make believe...

But, If you've made up your mind to go see it at least use you God giving logic. But please, Don't go and watch the movie with your head cut off at the neck...

You say "real event..."

You say "real event..." And then you go on to say "God destroyed..."

That is your idea of "real events?" Noah's flood and Sodom and Gomorrah?

I liked Book of Eli though

I liked Book of Eli though and I thought passion of the Christ was good also, even though I know Jesus never existed. I learned that from Jordan Maxwell and Ray Hagins.



I can't think of a better

I can't think of a better family-fun movie than the passion of the Christ where we can take our little ones, put them in front of a screen where they can watch a man's flesh get ripped off his body with a scourge for a fucking hour, than see giant nails pounded through his flesh and watch as he's crucified. Good for youngsters. Sure to lace them with fear and guilt for the rest of their lives.

If aliens happened to be observing humans, and saw that this is the shit we were watching and calling it "good," I expect they'd probably decide to move on to the next planet. That has to be the most bat-shit crazy race of lifeforms we've yet encountered.

Sounds like...

...there will be plenty for me to roll my eyes at when watching it, but regarding the 'fallen angels' -- are these the Nephilim in the movie? That whole Nephilim subject is certainly vague and mysterious and left wide open to speculation. They aren't usually considered to be fallen angels themselves, though, are they? Offspring of human/angel interaction is more commonly suggested, seems like.

If You're Interested...

...do a bit of research on the Book of Enoch, found among the Dead Sea Scrolls of the Essene community at Qumran. Especially the Book of the Watchers within the 1 Enoch...and a more robust discussion of the Nephilim, comparatively, than in the OT. Fascinating stuff.

I didn't realize that...

I didn't realize that the story of Noah and Yahweh viciously killing all of humanity, including the elderly, infants and babies, drowning in a violent flood... was so dear to people's hearts.

I always considered Noah's flood to be ONE OF THOSE UNFORTUNATE THINGS that came along with defending Christianity. I did not think the story was a darling.

We're all...

...in the same boat, including those who were temporarily saved via the Ark -- we are all going to die, whether by calamity or sword or disease or just plain wearing out.

So the question is, what happens next? In my view, death is just a door to the next phase, the next aion, of our journey, of our withdrawing from or being transformed by Love. The NT even hints that this is not the end of the story for those who perished in the Flood (1 Pet 3 and 4). I agree with Paul's vision in Colossians 1 that all Creation will be reconciled through the peace of Christ. The temporary pains and sufferings of this fallen world will fade as Love eventually conquers all, as people respond in their free will to its calling -- although the hell of keeping Self enthroned will likely persist for many for a time.

As for what the exact scenario was at the time of Noah, it's hard to say. The idea that 'all flesh was corrupted' with 'violence filling the earth' may have been more than just a spiritual condition, but possibly also a corruption of physical genetics through deviant manipulation and breeding by various fallen powers, which required a reset for human history to even have the chance of unfolding with the development of the Gospel of Christ, through which all Creation, past, present, and future will ultimately be reconciled, in my view. There is just too much murkiness about the whole Noah story to be sure.

Thankyou! The hypocrisy,

Thankyou! The hypocrisy, right?

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"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

Magwan77 is legion.

Magwan77 is legion.

Maybe it should be called "No... Uh...".

Maybe it should be called "No... Uh...".

No, Duh!

Know wha...?

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

That's awful. Don't judge a