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Pick your kid's poison. Hmmm,what's in the vaccine ?

I just can't decide which is better for my kid. Should I choose pig pancreas, sheep blood, anti-freeze, or fingernail polish remover. Aw man, decisions, decisions.

Vaccine fillers and ingredients include:
• acetone (solvent used in fingernail polish remover)
• aluminum hydroxide
• aluminum phosphate (toxic)
• ammonium sulfate
• amphotericin B
• animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
• dog kidney, monkey kidney
• chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
• calf (bovine) serum
• betapropiolactone
• fetal bovine serum
• formaldehyde
• formalin
• gelatin
• glycerol
• human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
• hydrolized gelatin
• monosodium glutamate (MSG)
• neomycin (antibiotic)
• neomycin sulfate
• phenol red indicator
• phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
• potassium diphosphate
• potassium monophosphate
• polymyxin B
• polysorbate 20
• polysorbate 80
• porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
• residual MRC5 proteins
• sorbitol
• sucrose
• streptomycin (antibiotic)
• thimerosal (mercury)
• tri(n)butylphosphate (neurotoxin)
• VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
• washed sheep red blood cells


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Notice the lack of a vaccination progam

for Scarlet Fever, Typhoid, and TB.

For anyone interested in this topic, I have found helpful the following paper, Death and Human Environment from 2001:


Ug, vaccine deniers


Ok, first off, let's go through this ridiculous list. Most of these things are animal byproducts. Things people throughout history have had no problem *eating* in large quantities, much less putting tiny amounts in medicine.

Things like MSG, sorbitol, sucrose, etc. are routinely found in food in large quantities, and other than people with allergies, are perfectly harmless. Sucrose is *sugar* and MSG is an amino-acid.

A lot of these other things are quite harmless and have no trouble exposing our kids to it in other circumstances or other medicines. People use phenol red in pools, we give our kids antibiotics, we use aluminum hydroxide to purify water and as an antacid. Phenoxyethanol is in antiseptics, perfumes and insect repellants. Aluminum phosphate is not *toxic* but a binder for bacterial toxins and can also be used as an antacid. Acetone is in some food additives and acne treatments, as you said, is in nail polish remover, which people inhale if they are ever in the same room as someone painting their nails.

Despite no proven risk to humans in the small amounts found in vaccines, thimerosal is no longer found in any US routine vaccinations. Not to mention kids get more heavy metal exposure in old houses than from a shot. To repeat: NO US CHILDHOOD VACCINES HAVE MERCURY.

Most of these other substances are found in vaccines in minute levels. They might be harmful on constant and repeated exposure, but are not harmful in microscopic amounts, as in a vaccine. They are there to prevent bacteria from growing in the serum. Many medical products are sterilized in such a fashion, not just vaccines.

OTOH, look at the good Vaccines have done: http://huppiemama.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/vaccine-cha... There have been a 90+% reduction in most diseases we vaccinate for, except for pneumonia, which has had a 70+% reduction. Why would you deny your child preventative medicine (and put the whole population at risk) because a microscopic foreign contaminant might enter their system.

This is something educated parents should do voluntarily (barring severe allergies or immunodeficiency) and it is so obvious that I don't understand why I even need to explain this.

All our food, toiletries, makeup, and surroundings has crazy additives. We live cleaner and healthier lives than 100 years ago. Whatever is in a childhood vaccine? That is nothing and has such great rewards.

Ugh! Vaccine Acceptors

I never was vaccinated and I maybe get sick once every 2 years. I am living proof!

My cousin is alergic to peanuts.

He is living proof that peanuts are bad for everybody.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

That's like me saying

"Someone I know is allergic to honey, which is proof that honey is bad for everyone". It doesn't work that way.

A signature used to be here!

There is a difference between...

ingestion, inhalation and injection. The human body is designed to deal with externalities like toxins that enter the body through normal means - eye, ear, nose, mouth.

The body is ill prepared to deal with foreign matter being injected into the blood stream or muscle issue, especially at an early age.

Good reply,

so true.

Just a quote from the FDA's

Just a quote from the FDA's website only took a second to find.

"Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose."

So your not completely right about that. There is a difference to being exposed to something in a way that goes through our natural defenses and being exposed by injecting past our defenses. The toxins are cumulative all around us. Maybe this isn't the be all end all toxic exposure but if people dont want something in their body, there is nothing anybody can do about it, and the rewards seen are disputed... just look at the pharmacutical industry.

"Educated", I would say, is very relative...

Ugh, vaccine pushers

Re your comment, "there have been a 90+% reduction in most diseases we vaccinate for"

People are generally bad at understanding causal relationships, and you are no exception. It is not logical to believe that because y happened after x, then y happened because of x.

Take for example, Polio was already on a steady decline before the vaccine was even introduced:


Same thing for Measles:


In fact, if you show me any disease that has decreased since vaccinations was introduced, I will show you a chart that proves the relationship is not statistically independent.

If you are still in denial after looking at these charts then take them to the brightest statistical analyst you know and ask him for his honest opinion. You don't have to be a math major to figure it out.

Advances in sanitation,

Advances in sanitation, medicine and better nutrition can reduce mortality rates. Vaccines aimed to reduce infection. A person can get measles and not die.


"reported cases" and full picture

I noticed you found a graph that conveniently begins at 1954. If you back up, you can clearly see that the major part of the decline had already occurred and that the commencement of vaccination had no impact on the rate of decline thereafter.

Take a look at the first few graphs on this:


The first chart Mr. Obomsawin

The first chart Mr. Obomsawin uses omits the fact that cases of measles in Canada were not reported from 1959-1968. Here is the data he used:


Here is Obomsawin's chart on top of the data:


There are 68 data points, Obomsawin used 5 of them, spaced 12 years.

Here is what his chart would look like if it started in 1933 instead of 1935:


Chart by averages:


Not an omission

It clearly says in the chart, "Note: Incidence data was unavailable in the period spanning 1959-1968." This is because the data does not exist. Not because he had "omitted" it.

Now he does use fewer data points, which is no different than your original chart which intentionally began at the height of a slope.

It is also not worse than your selective "averages over 12 year periods" chart. Why not an average slope of the entire graph? I know why. Because you don't want to see it.

Better yet. You should zoom back to 1850 and tell me what you see.

No amount of fiddling with selective averages will obfuscate the fact what you already know to be true. Vaccines had no contribution to the near eradication of any of the said diseases, and your own graphs prove it.

By the way, the reason for the zig zagging is because these charts are going by reported # of cases, instead of deaths.

A death certificate indicates the cause of death and is, therefore, more accurate for graphing. Looking at a chart that only shows reported incidents is _always_ going to be less than what the actual # is. Take that into consideration when you back up to 1850 in the UK, in the US, or in Canada. Which I know you won't, as is usually the case when somebody's mind is already made up.

Up, Up & Away! More & more, Vaccine Brew in Your Body to Stew!

The Center for Disease Control(CDC) Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up! And up! And up!

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Will that be live (strong), attenuated (weak) or dead pathogen?

... in witch's brew.

Vaccine Type

  • Whole virus vaccines - whole inactivated virus vaccines were the first influenza vaccines to be produced. The currently circulating strain of influenza is inoculated into embryonated eggs, harvested 2-3 days later and inactivated. This vaccine confers protection in 60-90% of vaccinees and the protection lasts for 1-5 years, depending on the vaccine strain and the age of the vaccinee. However, the subsequent infecting virus may show slow antigenic drift and the vaccine induced antibody will be less effective [not effective] in conferring protection against the new strains. ... Whole virus vaccine should not be used in children.
  • Split virus vaccines - Because of the high incidence of reactions seen in vaccinees given whole [negative side-effects], inactivated virus vaccine, attempts have been made to produce a vaccine which is less reactogenic [harmful]... Split vaccines were prepared... with detergents. [Inject detergents into your arm for that really clean feeling!]. ...
  • Subunit virus vaccines - subunit vaccines have been prepared which contained only the HA and NA antigens. ... although some authorities have questioned the effectiveness of subunit vaccines. [Is injecting virus fragments folly? Wrong headed?]
  • Live attenuated vaccines - ... Normal methods for attenuation, such as repeated passages and temperature adaptation require a long period to complete, and probably too long for the vaccine to become available for immunization against the current influenza strain. To circumvent this problem , already attenuated strains have been mixed with wild-type virus to produce recombinants which contain the RNA fragments which code for wild-type HA and NA, and all the other genetic material form the attenuated strain. These recombinants can be produced relatively quickly. ... Although research to develop live attenuated vaccines has been pursued for 20 years, basic problems remain... It is estimated that if the safeguards are to be satisfied, 2 years would be needed for the development of an attenuated vaccine. This makes their development impractical , since by the time the vaccine virus can be made available, the epidemic strain against which the vaccine has been prepared would have disappeared. [Too late. No cigar!]

[All this & more from a site that advocates for vaccines! Beyond absurd.]

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul