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Captain America !

I saw "Captain America - The Winter Soldier" and have to say that I was very impressed by the nature of the message. Although still supporting a "government" of some kind, the theme was definitely anti-current-direction. The theme was that the "protectors" need to be abolished because they ultimately abuse their power. They actually had "American" troops splitting into pro and anti administration and actively engaging in warfare against each other. A civil war scenario of the kind the TPTB don't even want us mundanes to even think about. I'm sure they don't want any active duty military to go see this movie...

In all, I like this movie a great deal and think that it's delving into thought processes that the people at large need to consider. What are your thoughts on it?

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Reminded me of Bilderberg. Prince Bernhard anyone?

TPTB Don't Fear a Civil War

If TPTB cannot incite a US/Russian world war (something they are want to do), then their only alternative is to incite a civil war inside the US. An armed conflict (of any kind) legitimizes an authoritarian state, and it returns power to the tyrants. Our goal should only be to awaken everyone, especially those who imagine themselves to be "servants" of the people.

We must peacefully dismantle the federal state of tyranny by awakening the public, one by one, to the evil which it serves. When a BLM agent is faced with shooting an unarmed citizen, he is forced to reconsider the value of his "service" to the nation. If instead, we are in a state of civil war, there is no hesitation to use force, the BLM agent shoots an "enemy" and learns nothing.



Joss Whedon

I don't know how much involvement he had with this film, but he directed The Avengers which featured positive themes.

Firefly and its later motion picture Serenity, written and directed by Whedon, are by far the most pro liberty productions to be green-lit by the MSM. However, Firefly faced so many obstacles (each episode aired in a different time slot on different nights) it was canceled after one season.

Captain Malcolm Reynolds is the embodiment of liberty!

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good."
Thomas Paine

Have not seen it yet...

but have read that it depicts the whole "super-soldier" idea as a good thing.

I fear the day when "super-soldiers" are the acceptable norm.

No more oath-keepers with a conscience, that I am sure of.

Anybody notice anything like that?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Without spoiling

Without spoiling anything...

Was going to make a post that the DP would probably like Captain America 2 after I saw it last night, then found this. I was really amazed about the message of the movie.

It's VERY anti-Police State. It casts the "elite rulers" as very evil people.

In fact, Captain America at one point broadcasts to all the agents in their version of a more advanced NSA, something along the lines of "standing up against the law, the price of freedom is worth more than the protection of a total police state".

Good movie, good message, check it out!

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Agreement and Paperclip

Not going to spoil the movie for those who haven't seen, but who else caught the reference to Project Paperclip (referred to as Operation Paperclip by Scarlet Johansen's character)?

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I heard the reference in the

I heard the reference in the movie but I'd forgotten that was the name of the program to grab the German scientist and put them to work for the US...

Beware the cult of "government"...

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the Nazis won

One of the best kept secrets of modern history is that the Nazis actually won. They survived. Their methods and aims, to some extent, have been adopted by those who once fought them. I am not speaking of their aim to rid the world of non-Aryan people but rather their aim to harness cutting edge technology to control the global population through psy-ops, propaganda, terror, destruction, etc. Heck, as with Paperclip, this happened both literally and metaphorically.

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About time there was a post on this! Cap is my favorite because of his nature, they chose him because he was a good man, believed in freedom, liberty. His character is shown best in this movie. The most important superpower he has is that he inspires people.

Word up is it's a "Snowden lover movie" in neocon circles

which makes it damn near mandatory viewing. Now d/ling either. Actual physical transport to a movie theater, buy ticket, get popcorn, the works.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most people who think sew actually rip.

I saw it!

I enjoyed it. Many things such as, the NWO, Militarization, Totalitarianism, double crossing people within the bureaucracy, secrecy to protect illegal activity, using braining washing and eliminating a persons memory and much more.

I give it 4 stars.

Anybody get Pete Hendrickson's Lost Horizons newsletters?

I was like PETE COME ON talk about a spoiler extraordinaire.

If you wanna see this film and you see Lost Horizons in your inbox....DELETE!

Most of those who think so actually don't and most people who think sew actually rip.

The movie is entertainment

Marvel Studios makes movies based on comic book characters. They are successful. Please do not read anything more than that into any of their products.

Up vote.

No idea why that statement would elicit a down vote. It is entertainment.

Though it might have a message as well. Why not?

It is art

While there is a great deal of merchandising, etc... The people making the movie, the writers, directors, and producers are also creating art. Science fiction has always had interesting things to say about the present. Star Trek used the USSR (Klingons) as part of their storytelling. A fairly recent show "Battlestar Galactica" had everything from abortion to vote fraud to suicide bombing during foreign occupation.

While most movies are crap, sci-fi and hero movies have the ability to explore bigger questions as opposed to a love story or a silly comedy. Art is individual - so you can not like it and I am fine with that. But, there are many works of art out there that are open to interpretation.

It seems like the same attitude of the morons who "boycott" football. I love football, I played it and loved it. There are many good things about the game, aside from it being the perfect man v. man sport.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

This comment is silly to me.

A good message is a good message.

what mainstream blockbuster would you suggest we watch, or because they are all produced by Hollywood should we ignore every last one?

I thought Tucker: A man and his dream was a brilliant movie, but wait! That was produced by Warner brothers.


Beat me to it!

I was going to write a full review. Got done watching about 30 minutes ago.

All told it was the best they could have done with the nature of the superhero.


Haven't seen it...

But I'm going now. Sounds good.


had a few similar suggestions, saw it for the first time last night. Not sure why they are putting it out there, but I have seen it in a lot of movies for the passed few years.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

The reason "why"...

...Was in another movie that came out recently with alleged liberty principles... "The Hunger Games"

The evil world-government elitist dictator played by Donald Sutherland says a very important line...

"Hope is control. Too much hope and people become emboldened, inspired and encouraged to strive for a better life. Not enough hope and people have nothing to lose and they rebel defiantly. Just the right small amount of hope keeps people going long enough to work but not enough to inspire them to fight for more."

...Or something along those lines he said... not an exact quote but that's the idea.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I don't think it's as important

to have a strong liberty message as it is to have a a strong anti-establishment so long as it has liberty themes.

Anti-establishment with socialist themes is of course dangerous, like that Matt Damon thing. Anti-establishment with socialist themes is just suggesting replacing the current fascist and increasingly authoritarian regime with a socialist one.

If they sell socialism (or any statist 'ism') as a replacement for fascism, it will be the same banksters in charge of new socialist order.

So long as political power exists it will be abused, and it will always be abused by the rich who have previously abused the system.


I think just the opposite.

I don't think it's as important to have a strong anti-establishment message as it is to have a strong liberty message so long as it has a strong anti-establishment message.

Liberty should always come first. If the established government is respectful of it, then to be anti-establishment would jeopardize that which secures the people's liberty.

If anti-establishment comes first, Then if liberty ever gets established, it will be insecure because of the anti-establishment theme.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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I recall an author made a similar observartion

"No publisher will ever pay you enough to successfully sue them." - Dave Sim

His wikipedia page is really neat -- his authoring career was stymied by publishers, so we went into self-publishing. Outspoken about many issues. I didn't know about him specifically -- I thought the quote was from Sturgeon or someone similar (e.g., Sturgeon's Law, "90% of anything is crap").

With machines, you don't need hope. They're designed to follow a particular pattern, which they do until they break; then they are fixed, if possible, recycled if not. Revolt is difficult unless it was programmed into them (or they were infected ...).

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