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The Granger is floating

I take no relish to report that The Granger has been banned.

This account and I have been at odds in the past months. Prior to that, I sent it a couple dozen FRNs to attend a Republican meeting. (It later said, after I expressed shame at supporting it, that it had sent those contributions to Michael. This matters to me little; I expressed that I was sad that I had supported this individual, and I still am, regardless of what other financial actions this individual takes.)

The person or people at the other end of that account have personally attacked me, and have violated the rules, repeatedly.

Last night's violation was apparently enough to cause a moderator to take notice.

I won't editorialize further. I am sad that this came to pass; I have tried to help her remember and honor her agreement (to not hawk Israel at this site), but she either forgot or, as has seemed more and more the case lately, just doesn't care.

I am not happy about this turn of events. However, I am quite relieved. I hope that this site can return to having more focus, than the contrast that this account brought, inappropriately.

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Oh come on mods. you started it by even reporting this in the

first place.

My point was that of all the dozens of people who were banned in the past few months only one gets their own sendoff post.

What's the agenda, 12 oh 1?

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Good riddance

Granger was clearly an zio-Israeli firster troll...

RP R3VOLution

I always smelled Troll

That sour, egg-like stench whenever I'd read "The Granger's" posts...Actually, I take that back. Every now and again they would be sensible and mellow. Then they'd be paranoid and wrought with name calling, particularly the anti-semite card. Then she would be horribly dyslexic and then it would go away...you get where I'm going with this?

I could be wrong and If I am then I don't apologize because she never showed me a modicum of respect. We had a couple exchanges about foreign policy which ended in her calling me a Jew hater. When all i said was cut all foreign aid. Aftr that I just ignored her, or him or w/e.

"I am Troll fighter, number one"



I liked Granger

she was here a long time. She seemed to have a very interesting life and admired her working within the GOP ( I couldn't do it). I didn't agree with some of what she wrote but thought, well that is her opinion and she has a right to it. I tend to look for common ground to get along.

I miss so many of the people who used to be here band and other wise, the discussions were lively and very thought provoking.

I understand it has to be a major headache for those responsible trying to keep the site civil.

What a challenge it is to get a point across without becoming cross.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

I always said

and told her, that she had issues with Emotional Intelligence (EQ) which measures your ability to mix and interact with others. She was great at igniting sparks wherever she commented. In this life you need to learn to give and take, sometimes you lose something you win. But you need to learn to get along with others. We live in a society. For example Ron Paul he never attacked others he always dealt with the issue, and in a very diplomatically way: a sign of high EQ.

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saddened by these events?

Are you truly?
How many times have you admonished another Dp'er for bumping their own posts?
After all,that is against rules also?
How many times have you told another they are breaking the rules such as name calling? is it an equal amount?
Has this site become yuppy haven where everyone better talk all PC,and not ruffle another feathers?
Do me a favor,go talk to the mirror,and see if you learn anything from it.
after all it would talk,walk,dress and act just like you,hell,it might even shave just like you.
But yes,you are indeed happy and revel in the fact that she was banned,don't lie to yourself,it does no good
What is strange to me is why MN,would let this run so long,and not have pulled it like so many others before it.

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

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Yes, I have mixed emotions

I am saddened to lose a fellow traveler.

I am relieved that this place is cleaner, and I won't have to respond again to statements like "people bash Israel, that's because of all the awesome things happening there".

I respect you. So now I must say: do not put words in my mouth. You do not know me much at all, you have no way to know what my internal state is in regards to events that have transpired. I'm not lying to myself and I'm not lying to you. For you to suggest that, is somewhat diminishing. I expected better.

This site isn't yuppie haven, there are clear rules and everyone I have seen banned has violated them many times over.

I also wondered why MN didn't pull the plug sooner, and he described why in this thread: he basically ignored her, generally because her comments were down-voted and he didn't click to expand them.

If you are truly interested in how many times I have tried to help others understand the rules they were violating, you are free to look back through my commenting history. To save you some time, I will say that I have done this on numerous occasions, but I don't have an exact count; it's definitely double digits.

And, I know I have some apologizing to do for some of my comments last summer. I received a concussion and was rather irritable and forgetful, and I know that I said some things that, once I read them again, I will regret. I hope that none of them were made in your direction; if so, I apologize.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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You have never said a word to me that was bad,nor any that would make me disregard any of your comments..you are a friend of mine,always will be
i really wasn't trying to put words in your mouth,call it a fishing expedition..your brain works different,so does mine...
I have been here a while,and I have seen many people break the rules,and constantly,it got to be something I didn't fret or bother with,It got to be just one of them things.I have been called all manner of names,more recently,by one running as a rep in my own state!
So i kind of figured,if this goes un-noticed,and that does as well,then why should I of all people spend my time worrying about this one or that one? It certainly isn't my job,and the mods here didn't seem to care,and if I was so bothered by it,I could just leave the poster(s) alone,and not comment
But you see,i have learned a few from the granger,things i never knew i needed to know,for that,I am grateful,and if she wasn't here,I would be at a loss

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Bless her heart

as we say in the South.

I was a down voter

Pretty much whenever I saw Granger's name, regardless of what the actual contents of the posting said, I down voted it. Her individual posts where always written within the context of her agenda. She never lost her agenda and it was annoying.

Drive by down voting. That's

Drive by down voting. That's classy.

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Because I saw her name

I down voted her,how shallow are you? As shallow as 3 others who gave your
comment an up vote?
I did not matter what she said,how it was said,or even if she wanted to teach
you didn't/wouldn't spend the time out of your do nothing day,to actually read what was posted...gotcha

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

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No deacon, the lesson the OP is talking about is "wolf!"

"The boy who cried wolf" is a very valid story. She earned those downvotes by constantly bringing Israel into any other discussion. She made others feel that she was not worth listening to.

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yeah well

as much as I like you,this post reads to me like one of them
'remember how the Dp used to be,and they were written by some who hadn't been here a year,how in the hell,do these types know what the DP was,before even being here?
Please read QS's comment,she put it better than I ever will.So I won't even try
This is a lynch mob,and it is headed by ones who should have helped her out,if indeed she has a problem,But what happened? like so many others,another tossed to the wolves
Believe it or not,truth can be found anywhere,if one is inclined to see
true,her and I had our outs,but what it did for me,was prove her wrong...or right.to me,it was and always be more important than fitting into a clique.
take it for what its worth..or not

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

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The granger

knew and knows the ins and outs of politics,but instead of people learning that from her,she was always attacked for signing a pledge to romney
The people on this site never got over that,and went out of its way to vilify her for that,You know,instead of seeing what she swallowed to stay in and fight.
I never understood her love for israel(it's not something I share with her)
but to each its own.Life would be pretty boring and meaningless if we all had the same thoughts,ideas and had the exact same responses to every circumstance that happens in life.
I didn't like her circular logic,but how would you like it,if each and every day getting voted down? One time she was down voted for just saying HI,to another poster here...yeah, go figure.
As far as that nazi porn site? I saw no porn in it,just a lot of clips,which,by the way looked photoshopped,but mostly stupid
Now of one of your friends posted that site,would it have been received differently? I say it would have been.
1201,the moderator DID NOT take notice,it was pointed out in the modbox.
But she is not gone,far from it,by changing names,does not mean they left
just say'n

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Just like they never got over

Just like they never got over Rands endorsement. They are way to emotional and there is no room for emotions if you are going to play in politics.

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I would agree

But them down votes are killing my reception :)
to late,I agree totally
this is one of many things I have learned from her

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

My issue with her

wasn't that she supported Romney, it was her "anyone who disagrees with me hates America/Israel/Jews/Christians" nonsense. She seemed to view the world in black and white, and often spoke in absolutes.

That said, she's far from the only person one here who does that.

A signature used to be here!

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tainted lens? Things are either right or wrong

And will always be,right/wrong, upside down/right side up,black is white,white is black
laws meant for all/laws meant for a select few
Most things are right or wrong,left is right,black is white,white is black
When you enter into the gray areas things get muddled,this area is where all manner of things can be achieved,and has been.One law for this group,one for that one.
this is not right.this is wrong,but only for this group of people
things are either right or wrong,there is no middle,that is,unless you create them with your own mind.Or someone else choking it down your throat
Is there truth and lies? sure there are,but one is right,and one is wrong.
Is there truth in lies? yes,If you know where/how to look at it.
That said,i do not get off on all the christian/jew/america/israel nonsense
Nations come and go,but people might be here for the long haul.
I can hear the lies meant as truth,do you?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Yeah.....was she one of them

Yeah.....was she one of them mixed up person's? What was the deal with her and all that Israel stuff?

She recently married a Jewish

She recently married a Jewish man with deep roots to Israel she loves the people of Israel, not the government. I think because of her husband she felt she had to defend Israel against all the anti Israel people. She was hugely misunderstood.


consumed Granger. Along with a side order of Zionism, unfortunately.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

I wasn't here when that controversy happened--

I'm sorry, but--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

God bless you Granger

I wish nothing but the best for you. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!

While I may not agree with some of the opinions you have, I respect you all the same. I will remember the good times- talking about surfing, your favorite breaks and your skills at board-making. I recall waiting nervously for news of how your eye surgery went... thank God it helped you.

I have never shared this here before, but I will for your sake... I myself have been exposed to a large amount of chemicals that have apparently damaged me beyond repair, so I feel for you my friend. I am a carpenter without hands and no longer get to do some of my favorite things- surf, fish, create/repair/restore, help my family by doing projects, touch the ones I love, etc... Life is not easy, but keep fighting sister. E.G.B.O.K my grandmother used to say- everything's going to be OK.

In the end I believe getting banned might be the best thing for you. Rediscover something you love and spend some time on it. Also, I LOVE YOU no matter what anybody says about you- you are a great person, don't let anyone tell you differently.

As for the "person" who chased you around egging you on so they could be the first to post your DP "obituary"... my mind is still (mostly) here and I will not soon forget.

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Sorry about your condition, perhaps it colors your perception

I did not chase her around, egging her on. Far from it, in fact it was the exact opposite: she posted 40, 60, some days more than 100 comments. They were on all the posts. There was no way to avoid her abuse of this site.

You seem to doubt my word, so you could ask Michael or a moderator (if they have access) to see whether my user account clicked on her user account, and looked at each comment in order to respond to it with, your term, "egging on".

I did click on her account a few times, but only to see what her rating was; it was surprisingly high for all the downvotes.

As I mentioned in another comment, I hope that if I devolve into communicating in a similar nature, that Michael (or whoever) is compassionate enough to pull the plug that much sooner, to save me from embarrassing myself in similar fashion.

I hope you can improve your condition. Follow the link for Jin Shin Jyutsu in my signature, it's subtle but real, and has no cost to it other than time spent reading, and placing your fingers on different parts of the body and breathing deeply.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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I agree with you--

"chemicals" are so deadly, and most chemists that I have met will tell me that everything in the world is composed of chemicals. Well, yes, of course--

but one of the 'conspiracies' that has hardly been uncovered (just barely) is the chemical conspiracy--

it's pretty deadly.

I am very familiar with it and with the results. I'm sorry about your damage.

I could write a book; I think maybe I should.

It is hard to be alone with such things.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thanks, but I am not alone at all

I am very lucky to have my family and friends standing beside me. I have always treated them with unconditional love and now I am reaping the rewards... PROTECT YOURSELVES AND THOSE YOU LOVE, we live in a very dangerous world with poisons all around us

"la la LA La la la...."

"LA la la LA!-LA-la!"


Doesn't Granger have multiple names on the DP?

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

No, Granger doesn't have multiple names on the DP.

She's not the type to play games. And she's too genuine a person to be able to get away with something like that even if she wanted to. Her soul would shine through and be recognizable.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Sometimes flies get annoying buzzing around your ears

I usually open a window... but if the fly wants me to host its progeny in my ears because I am of an inferior race I just have to realize that a parasite is a parasite and pick up that swatter and liberate myself from that pesky, corrupt little maggot man.

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.