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Attention Displaced Rand Fans

It has become clear that the Daily Paul will not be used as a hub for Rand Paul's base of supporters. While currently this is not a big issue, I foresee that once the election season of 2016 gets rolling, out of respect for Mr. Nystrom, the displaced Rand supporters should try to move the party somewhere else.

While I do not understand the distaste some...including the owner of this site...have for Rand Paul, I find it in our best interest to respect his wishes as he has a different vision for the DP and intends to go in another direction than what some of us may wish to go.

This post is not one of those typical "I am leaving" posts. The DP is like home to me. And like when you left home to go to college or the service or what ever reason you left...this is our opportunity to grow beyond the walls that have given us so much for how ever many years you have frequented this site. And like a college student often does, I will come back home to visit from time to time.

I will be posting over at Ron Paul Forums a post with the title "Attention Displaced Rand Fans from the DP" in the Rand Paul Forums section for anyone who has an account whom wishes to connect and organize for the coming election. For those that don't have an account at RPF, I encourage you to do so. I am still Unknownuser at RPF.

Looking forward to seeing y'all on the other side!

Amor Vincit Omnia

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ChristianAnarchist's picture

I have to say that I don't

I have to say that I don't see rejection of Rand here at the DP. I see that Michael is tired of his baby being infiltrated by people who hate and argue over EVERYTHING. Rand seems to me to be a point of contention that he just doesn't feel he has the energy to deal with and I don't blame him. Personally I like Rand. I've supported him in all my posts here and donated to his campaign (but not as much as I did to Ron's).

Even now, I'm certain I can start a post about Rand and what he's up to without angering the Michael but if that post becomes a topic that causes the nest to swarm, I think he just is fed up with dealing with all the playground spats and might put some kids in detention.

Anyway, I've been on both forums since the beginning (same username) and I will continue on both as long as they are active.

Thanks for everything Michael. I am always glad to count you as my friend.

Beware the cult of "government"...

I agree. I hope you didn't

I agree. I hope you didn't misread what I'm trying to convey. The reason for this post is to take the burden off "the Michael".

I think we have a new name for Nystrom!

The Michael.

What about when Ron endorses

What about when Ron endorses Rand (his son)? Will this website explode?

Kinda makes me sad to know

we won't be seeing a big old money bomb counter again on this beautiful site.

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Everything changes. Everyone grows. Love and be loved. Do your thang!

I'm not trying to divide anyone. Mike doesn't want the campaigning here. He is done. Tired. Pursuing a different path.

And so am I (perusing a different path). And so shall you.

Michael Nystrom's picture

BTW - dailypaul.com/rand

For all the Rand Paul news on the DP:

www.dailypaul.com/rand

FYI

Hey Thanks! Those are some

Hey Thanks! Those are some big bombs you dropped there big softy.. ;)

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Yes but not Ra Ra Rand

Yes but not Ra Ra Rand stuff...right? ; )

egapele's picture

Seems to me the one with the problem with the Rand posts here

is you.

Why do you keep trying to direct Rand supporters off the Daily Paul and onto ronpaulforums?

As I stated somewhere else on this thread (and so have others), I have never felt "displaced" on the Daily Paul because I support Rand Paul.

I'm trying to connect with

I'm trying to connect with others over on the other forum as a means to collaborate for the upcoming election. Mike does not want to deal with the campaigning, money bombs, sign waving, and all the other fun stuff that come with elections. He wants to watch it from the sidelines. I just want to connect with others who have an account on the other forum or who want to have an account on the other forum.

I'm sorry that you have misunderstood me. I thought I made it clear in my post. Guess not.

Mike is fine with this. Ask him.

Can't we all just get along??

I for one, will continue to visit the DP on a daily basis... I like Rand a lot but still have my doubts... So if I decide to support him full-fledged at any point, then I will do so elsewhere...

However, I will still be contributing to the DP. Can we move past the Rand subject for a bit? It's exhaust[ing][ed].

Let's raise the sails and let the winds of Liberty push the arc/ark towards its destiny.

-T4L

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

-Thomas Jefferson

Thanks Tex! I agree and that

Thanks Tex! I agree and that is also in part why I posted this.

yes.. thanks for starting the conversation

for us who plan to potentially do both (DP/Rand elsewhere)

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

-Thomas Jefferson

Yes, I think it both sites

Yes, I think it both sites play an important role. And fourth more, I think it would be great to connect with some of y'all on the other side.

The two sites may increase

The two sites may increase interest and traffic for both. If the Daily Paul gets too heavy with Rand traffic, it could narrow its focus too much. Particularly as the political season heats up, users can move really interesting Rand news into this site and not weigh it down.

This site won't increase in

This site won't increase in traffic because the ark doors are closed.

It will rise in traffic for sure

There just won't be new people posting threads/comments. Most of the traffic comes from guests viewing the threads.

Easy way to see this is by looking at the stats:
Who's Online
124 users currently online.
853 users signed in today.
78,036 guest views today.

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A "sister" Daily Paul is not a bad idea actually.

Shows growth of the movement. Also a hub for that particular effort.

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What happens after an egg is fertilized?

IT DIVIDES. That is called growth.

Just go to RPF. It's geared

Just go to RPF. It's geared more to the grassroots. Mike has retired.

Michael Nystrom's picture

I appreciate this. I always believe everyone should do

what they want to do. That includes me. And while I addressed this over on the other thread, I'd like to reiterate a few key points.

I started this site for Ron Paul, not for Rand. Some people here see Rand as a continuation of the legacy, and are ready to pick up right where they left off with Rand. I'm not one of them. If we're all individuals, we should all be judged on our own merits / flaws / achievements / whatever. Not on who are parents are. That is one reason I'm not falling for Rand, hook line and sinker.

Second, I had business dealings with Rand's 2010 Senate campaign that were awful, and left a terrible, bitter taste in my mouth. It was disturbing and upsetting the way I was treated. I was upset about it for a while, but in the end, I realized that I have to be thankful for that experience. Without it, I would likely be here with the Rah Rah Randers, jumping up and down like jumping beans for him. But that experience showed me that this is just business.

I gave away a lot of time and money in 2008 and 12, with not much return. Maintaining this site had a negative impact on my health. Not to mention that, especially in 2012, I got the feeling that the official campaign was peeved and annoyed with many of the activities of the grassroots. The SuperBrochure comes to mind, and that leaked John Tate email that it was "harming" the campaign.

Beyond that, the Paultards of yore ultimately ended up having a negative impact for Ron.

But as I said on the other comment, I'm more interested in watching this campaign unfold. It will give me a clearer idea of what is going on. I don’t want to make an emotional commitment to a candidate or an outcome. Getting emotionally invested like that warps one's vision, I’ve come to learn. It causes me, and others to behave in strange ways.

But just like I had an eye on the Seattle Seahawks at the beginning of last year, I’ve got one eye on Rand. I’m watching the score. I'm looking at the competitors. I see the old hippos over there shuffling in discomfort. Christie is wounded, so they’ve roused Jeb Bush from his slumber.

Rand has a shot, but honestly, he needs to swing way more than us. By the end, he'll likely piss off the majority of us as he moves to the mainstream. He’s the magician on stage now, and he needs to convert a mass market, not us.

The role of the politician is to play on the emotions. How else have any of these pols won in the past? Reagan? Emotion. Born in the USA! Clinton? Emotion. Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow. That is their hook - don’t you guys see that? If Rand is going to be a world class politician, that is what he’s got to do. Get it?

You guys can do whatever you want, obviously. As for me, I don’t want to fall under the aphrodisiac of emotional manipulation by a politician. I've had that experience of myself already. I'll definitely be watching, I just don't want to fall prey to it. I'm defending myself, and the good people of the Daily Paul against the emotional hijack.

As for the Ron Paul Forums, they've always been much more into activism anyway. I'll gladly concede that market, or that space, or whatever you want to call it, to them. They want to do it, I don't, so it is all good. One of the founders of the RPF, Josh, got sick of politics and left it, so now it is just Bryan running the show. I know Bryan, I've met him and talk to him on the phone from time to time. He's a good guy.

Have fun over there.

To be clear...

…speaking for myself (and I presume that a large chunk of others here feel similarly), I'm not a "Rah Rah Rander, jumping up and down like jumping beans for him."

Instead, I'm a "Rah Rah LIBERTY…"

I have fallen for LIBERTY, "hook, line and sinker."

The reason that Rand (and Amash, and Massie, and a handful of others) is a topic of keen interest is because he is in a unique position to help promote liberty, to grow liberty. In fact, no other single individual in American culture even approaches the potential impact on the growth of liberty that Rand has.

As such, there's something of a disconnect if this site, on one hand, is engaged in all things LIBERTY and, on the other hand, discourages in some way discussion on Rand's efforts (I'm still not sure that's what's happening).

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

C_T_CZ's picture

Thanks....

Your comment sums up my feelings to a T

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Some people might be

Some people might be mystified by your attitude, but I always said that it is difficult to place yourself in someone else's shoes. I suspected that certain events must have occurred giving you good reasons to act in the way you have. I don't think many people realize how much of a mental strain running a political website is.

A lot of people probably don't understand you and they may even lash out at you, because many are driven by self interest (not that this is always a bad thing) and it's because of this self interest that they are unable to empathize themselves in your position. They probably view your actions as extreme and emotional. But I've recently come to the conclusion that it's a dangerous thing to bottle up one's emotions. Certainly, one must not always let emotion control one's actions, but if you hit certain limits, it's unwise to go against it. Sometimes you just need to go with your feelings in order to evolve to the next stage. So please, there really is no need to justify yourself. The thing with Rand is something that needs time anyways. Because while you may be for or against, in the end one cannot totally predict the future. I myself am betting on Rand due to intellectual reasons, but there's certainly nothing wrong with holding yourself back and taking a wait and see approach. He may turn traitor. Or if Rand fails, it just means that he didn't have what it takes and the fault certainly will not be with you. Rand will simply have to prove that his strategies work AND that they take us in the right direction.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Thank you

I realize there is no need to justify. I give the explanation as a courtesy, since I'm sure people want to know.

At any rate, keep your eyes open. For Rand to win the GOP nomination, he's going to have to shift. The shifting process has already begun, subtly.

I watched my liberal friends here in Massachusetts, who were so hot for Obama, gradually become disillusioned every time he made a sacrifice, moved closer to the MIC, sold out one of his principles for popular gain.

I'm not saying the same thing will happen with Rand. The future remains unwritten. I just don't understand the need to rush in and commit to anything prematurely.

I don't believe I have ever cast a presidential vote for someone who won. What does this tell me? People are perfectly capable of winning without my support, lol.

Michael, you do understand my

Michael, you do understand my post...right? This is not a nudge, nor am I advocating anyone to leave. And I don't understand why this post is borderline becoming divisive. It makes no sense to me.

There are no hard feelings. I get what you are throwing down brother. I get this place...the DP. I am interested to see this place evolve. But I also have other plans and I am inviting others to join me.

Remember, while we may not always be on the same page...in the end we are on the same side.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Yes, I believe I understand it

Though honestly, one can never be sure.

Like I said, I'm happy to concede the activism portion - the money bombs, the phone calling, the sign waving, the canvassing, etc. - to the Ron Paul Forums. They want it, I don't, so it is a win win as far as I'm concerned.

Yes. There is a place for

Yes. There is a place for things and I respect your decision to not go that route. And I don't blame you neither. I have taken a brake from politics for mid terms as I cannot say I truly believe in anyone who is running in my state. I know who I'm voting for but I don't plan to campaign and give my hard earned TIME to this candidate. I'm tired and I need to rest up for the big battle. And that battle will not be brought to these grounds per your request.

Well

I have an account at both forums. I don't intend on leaving either one and look forward to the mass of Pro Rand threads that will undoubtedly line the front page here once election season starts.
Sorry, i just don't see Michael dictating what the flow of conversation is among the majority of his members here. If he does it will go against the very thing he claims to advocate for ... LIBERTY!
He may not like Rand but does he hate Rand and his own members who do like Rand so much that he would dictate to them what the flow of conversation should be about? I don't thing he does. Everybody has to let off a little steam every now and then... ;)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

I'm not leaving...entirely.

I'm not leaving...entirely. And I suppose I will watch how this place evolves but I find it not in our best interest campaign for a guy who is not welcomed by the sites owner.

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