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Attention Displaced Rand Fans

It has become clear that the Daily Paul will not be used as a hub for Rand Paul's base of supporters. While currently this is not a big issue, I foresee that once the election season of 2016 gets rolling, out of respect for Mr. Nystrom, the displaced Rand supporters should try to move the party somewhere else.

While I do not understand the distaste some...including the owner of this site...have for Rand Paul, I find it in our best interest to respect his wishes as he has a different vision for the DP and intends to go in another direction than what some of us may wish to go.

This post is not one of those typical "I am leaving" posts. The DP is like home to me. And like when you left home to go to college or the service or what ever reason you left...this is our opportunity to grow beyond the walls that have given us so much for how ever many years you have frequented this site. And like a college student often does, I will come back home to visit from time to time.

I will be posting over at Ron Paul Forums a post with the title "Attention Displaced Rand Fans from the DP" in the Rand Paul Forums section for anyone who has an account whom wishes to connect and organize for the coming election. For those that don't have an account at RPF, I encourage you to do so. I am still Unknownuser at RPF.

Looking forward to seeing y'all on the other side!

Amor Vincit Omnia



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Michael Nystrom's picture

FYI, I advocate for my own liberty, first

For you to make that statement: i just don't see Michael dictating what the flow of conversation is among the majority of his members here. If he does it will go against the very thing he claims to advocate for ... LIBERTY! means you STILL lack an understanding of what true liberty is.

You guys think this is like a public utility. Like the Water Company. You have such a misunderstanding that it is not even funny.

not at all Michael. I know

not at all Michael. I know exactly what Liberty is and i understand this is a private forum. You advocate your own Liberty and so does everybody else in here. You don't have the patent on what Liberty is either.
You may think you have some superior understanding on what liberty is and how to go about achieving it but so does the next guy and the next gal and who are you to tell them otherwise ? Tell me what dictating to others what the talk of the town should be on any given day has to do with liberty? Liberty Michael is letting the chips fall where they may providing it doesn't involve foul language, personal attacks etc. It has ZERO to do with trying to control the masses and the message...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Michael Nystrom's picture

So let them fall where they may then

I'm not dictating "to others what the talk of the town should be on any given day." Talk about whatever you want. But I do reserve the right to dictate what is discussed on my property.

You have that right Michael

You have that right Michael but lets get serious here. What are you going to do make a 'cant post about Rand' rule ? A (only 5 threads allowed a day about Rand) rule ? seriously , seriously ?
You have that right but i ask one more time (what does dictating what others talk about have to do with Liberty)? I don't think you will do it Michael, your smarter than that.

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

blah blah blah. Couldn't have

blah blah blah. Couldn't have said it better myself. :)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Hear

Hear!

Please come here before you

Please come here before you get yourself zapped into non existence.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449239-Attention...

No use in arguing with the site owner.

I wasn't arguing with

I wasn't arguing with Michael, i was merely making a point. I think Michael is a great guy but that doesn't stop me from speaking my mind.If he feels he needs to zap me for being honest then there really is a problem around here isnt there?
The RNC had the right to change the rules as they saw fit claiming it was a private enterprise. They practiced their authority to control the message at the Tampa Convention as well isolating and alienating a large portion of their voting base. Even removed duly elected delegates and replaced them just to keep Ron from speaking. This was ALL within their rights to do as they wished.... WHO HERE LIKED IT ?
What an outstanding example of liberty that was heh ?

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Thank you for speaking your

Thank you for speaking your mind. I do agree with you and perhaps his sentiment will change in time...perhaps. But as it stands, I have no reason to believe otherwise. So we should take our party over to the other forum. And it will be a hoot! And the anti Rand people will miss us during the election time because they will have nobody but themselves to argue with.

as i said earlier, I'm

as i said earlier, I'm already a member of both forums. I don't feel like i should have to go anywhere until i feel like doing so. I've been reading this forum sense it began and have been a member now for a couple of years or more and i really don't see the point in all of this. Its just down right silly to let your personal feelings dictate to others what can and cannot be said or supported in a forum that was built on that very thing called Liberty! Makes no sense to me at all.
Makes about as much sense as the 2012 convention in Tampa.

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

All things change with time.

All things change with time. Some good, some bad. Mike is taking this thing in a different direction. If you don't agree, you don't have to be here. This is his boat. Please take this as an opportunity to grow beyond these walls.

I am well beyond these walls

I am well beyond these walls already. Have been for quite a while. I will move on my own free wil. I do not need a guide...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

2shay...2shay.

2shay...2shay.

I'm a Rand fan. I've not yet been displaced,

nor have I ever even [until this post] thought or been tempted to think in terms of having been displaced.

I don't really know as my name is not Michael, but the notion that Michael Nystrom has "distaste" for Rand Paul makes me wonder if I should assume he also has distaste for Sean Lennon.

Hey, do you have a link to the "Rand Paul" section of the Ron Paul forum you engage? Is this it?

...Just a reminder of the "Rand Paul" section here...

Michael has other plans for

Michael has other plans for the DP. Rand ain't one of the.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3380293

Here.http://www.ronpaulforum

Here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449239-Attention...

My point is that I wanted to organize those of us who plan to support and campaign for Rand. Michael has stated multiple times that he will not allow this place to be the Daily Rand. So out of respect and in an effort to stay connected when Rand hits the trails, I have created this post.

rag mama rag all over my house

Cool! That's the same general point I gathered from your post, and such is why I asked for the direct link to the page you suggested that fans of Rand like me might enjoy. I would also like to suggest that you place that direct link directly into your OP as not as many Rand fans will make it this far down in the comment section to see it.

Yay Rand! Go Rand!

That having been said, I spent equal time in my initial comment addressing that which you addressed initially in your OP, an interpretation of distaste. The first website I ever built was "ragmamarag.com". True story. It was inspired by a particular song by The Band. The song "Rag Mama Rag" was the only song ever featured on the website. It's true that I absolutely ADORED that song at the time, but I experienced no distaste whatsoever for the other songs by The Band that were not featured on my website. Nor was it distaste that prevented me from transforming the site into one dedicated to the songs of Rick Danko or Levon Helm. I also listen to Primus and Rage Against the Machine now and then as well, but no songs from those bands did I ever post on my website. It's funny, I can't even tell ya why or what I like about that one song that inspired me to buy that particular domain name and all, but I did, and that's that.

I love it! Thanks. I will

I love it! Thanks. I will post the link on top.

There already is a forums for

There already is a forums for rand paul turncoats called erroneously by a different name as nobody who is interested in liberty would support it otherwise.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

To each his own.

To each his own.

SteveMT's picture

Ron Paul always looked for overlapping areas of agreement...

with others. Just ask Barney Frank. This same standard should be consistently used for Rand. If Rand is talking Liberty, then post it here, and I expect that it will receive a lot of positive support. However, if Rand starts talking dogmatic support for the GOP nonsense or support for bankers wars or blindly endorsing GOP candidates, then post it here to receive the negative criticism that such stories would deserve. The DP is the place for the vetting of ideas irrespective of surname. No one should get a free pass, IMO. Can a story pass this vet test without a surname name being associated with it?

I think people are confused

I think people are confused at what this post is about. We already know the difference between Rand and his father. This topic has been hashed out a million times here. I am not here to try to mold your notion.

SteveMT's picture

Are there that many displaced Rand Paul supporters here?

I don't believe that there are masses of disenfranchised Rand Paul supporters on DP. Does that phrase "displaced Rand Paul Fans" mean those who accept everything Rand says and does without question and that criticizing Rand should be off-limits? If you can spirit away the people who believe that Rand isn't getting a fair shake here, then go for it. Rand already has a lot of support here. Rand Paul posts are not band here. He already gets great exposure on DP. There is a real difference between supporting someone versus totally embracing them. I don't believe that the latter is going to happen, but the former is already enforce. Isn't that good enough?

Mike has specifically stated

Mike has specifically stated that he will not allow this place to become the Daily Rand. This will be hard to do come election time. I am inviting those who wish to campaign for Rand to do it on the other forum. The title was more of a catch phrase. You know...catchy phrasing.

This seems fine

The RPF are a place that is more catered towards organizing for liberty and political action, while the Daily Paul is more catered towards daily liberty issues and discussion.

Not a bad thing. People choose what they like. The formats are completely different, so they honestly will be better suited to different uses.

Tu ne cede malis.

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Question: Why Don't Rand Paul Supporters Create a Daily Rand?

Question: Why Don't Rand Paul Supporters Create a Daily Rand?

If I were a Rand Paul supporter I would have LONG written an article addressed to Rand Paul Supporters to create a website with that purpose.

What a difference there is between THE RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION and those that want to piggy-back on THE RON PAUL Network.

WE GET THINGS DONE. WE ALWAYS DID.

RON PAUL R[3]VOLUTION.

Wisdom Strategies

Because "we" are part of the

Because "we" are part of the R3VOLUTION. No piggy backing going on here.

I was a delegate for Ron Paul and an alternate to the state. My state convention was a sea of Ron Paul delegates. Guess what...I was there too my friend. I helped it happen.

What on earth are yall talking about?

Half of the posts on the front page of this site are already talking about Rand Paul, where do you get off saying it's "clear" that this won't be a hub for Rand supporters?

A much more productive way of viewing this site is seeing it as a place that keeps all politicians in check with the constitution, this site should always be a "hub" for whoever the constitutionalist candidate is, and Rand is the closest thing we have to one that could win the white house. Of course this site is going to be a hub for him while that's going on.

I Assumed...

...that this was in response to Nystroms comments over at http://www.dailypaul.com/316248/im-getting-so-fing-pumped-ab...

One of the earliest comments made it somewhat clear that Nystrom doesn't view DP as a default "pick up" for Rand, 2016.

Check out that thread and I think you'll see why this OP was offered.

I'm talking about

I'm talking about campaigning. Mike has said repeatedly that he doesn't want it here. I'm not leaving...just taking the Ra Ra Rand stuff over there.