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What The BLM Can Learn From The Death of 40,000 Elephants

We need more cattle not less in the deserts. After killing 40,000 elephants this scientist says so. Maybe the BLM can watch.


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22-min. TED talk renders AGENDA 21 null and void.

Did the president and Congress and land management agencies all get the memo?

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

So, basically...

What the BLM can learn is a new management technique (Holistic Land Management).

That would involve - correct me if I'm wrong - "scientifically" based management control over the movement of all livestock.

According to Mr. Savory, Holistic Management International has given training to professionals from many Land Management Agencies - including BLM - in using the holistic framework and is pushing for federal policies on it's use by the Land Management Agencies:

"What is required is for the US to make such broad policy decision holistically — the only thing I know to be socially, environmentally, economically and scientifically sound and in the best interests or all citizens. As you saw in the lecture, a large sample of US professional people (2,000) from the Soil Conservation Service (now NRCS), Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Indian Affairs and land grant universities — after a week of training in how to analyse and formulate natural resource policies using the holistic framework — concluded that:

'They could now see that unsound resource management was universal in the United States.'

Tragically all that training in the use of a holistic decision making framework was stopped by the Reagan Administration and it desperately needs to be restarted if the US is to be serious about climate change, the desertification of the US, and it's claim to world leadership."

- Allan Savory, see more at: http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/2010/02/25/foll...

The above excerpt is from an interview discussing a lecture given by Allan Savory that was sponsored by Feasta ("The foundation for the economics of sustainability")

Video of the lecture in full is available here: http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/2010/01/29/fasc...

If the BLM was to adopt this technique do you think they will have their name changed to the Bureau of Land and Livestock Management?

Did you notice that he uses the terms international and framework to describe his system, there are many global control frameworks being put in place and are at different stages in their development, for instance, here is another - somewhat related - video from Feasta with Alex Evans who's report on climate change and global institutional reform was published by the Center on International Co-operation earlier this year. He presented the case for basing a framework for dealing with the climate crisis on a scientifically derived stabilisation target."

Listening to these people often makes me wonder how on earth the world survived the period from it's birth up until now without the complete "scientific" global management of all resources (this of course would need to include human resources).

All, I repeat ALL of these NGO's, Foundations and Institutions are part of an international framework that is driving toward a "science based" global dictatorship. The organisational structure of which appears to be following along the lines of those suggested by many of the early proponents of Scientific Socialism.

One of those to consider this possibility was - for instance - Bertrand Russell, who in a book containing a series of his lectures on the subject entitled "The Impact of Science on Society" sets out what he feels would be required in order to accomplish a scientifically organized world government dictatorship.

It really is quite a read:

This book is based upon lectures originally given at
Ruskin College, Oxford, England.

Three of these - Chapter I, "Science and Tradition," Chapter II, "General Effects of Scientific Techniques," and Chapter VI, "Science and Values" - were subsequently repeated at Columbia University, New York, and published by the Columbia University Press.

None of the other chapters have been published before in the United States.

The last chapter in the present book, "Can a Scientific Society be Stable?" was the Lloyd Roberts Lecture given at the Royal Society of Medicine, London.[this one is a doozy]

The book is available to download here:

What did the CFR have to say about Bertrand Russells' "New Hopes for a Changing World" essays? (Hopey Changey anyone?):


Great video; another testiment for cooperation

between man and animals. Mr. Savory must be enlightening millions of people as he's made this his life's work to undo his earlier solution of kulling millions of animals to worse effect.

For a moment I considered whether large groups of humans with poking sticks can effect a similar change (Permaculture?) when there is no availability of animal herds, but even if we use our excrement and urine on the arid land I wonder if it matters the foods we consume; I mean processed foods can't make "good" poop. In the 40's and 50's Japan used to buy America's poop for fertilizer because we ate the best foods which produced rich nutrient excrement; then they stopped buying as America's diet became laden with processed and artificial ingredients.

The world is waking up pretty much at the same time. I viewed more than a few videos in the past few years of American farmers moving their small stocks of pigs and chickens around their farm to graze, dig and poop all over the place and the results were damn near miraculous.

But for real dramatic change in nature, view free documentaries on Permaculture that can be found along with hundreds of other free documentaries on topdocumentaryfilms.com.

Ruminating animals are key

Only ruminating mammals are able to digest the cellulose fiber in the grasses. Pretty much any herd animal should work. Since humans cannot digest cellulose, the best we can do to help is to manage the herds and harvest the dairy and meat they produce, and benefit from the improved soil and micro-climate, which allows us to rotate crops into the grazing lands.

We would still do well to add human waste to the soil, but we cannot replace the cellulose-digesting function of the herd animals.

What Alan Savory is describing is Rotational Grazing

as opposed to open grazing. "Movement mimics nature", the herd moves as a group in the presence of predators, as they move they fertilize the fields and when they move on that allows the fields to recover. If they open graze they just eat the best grasses and that results in adverse selection, you ultimately end up with weeds and uneatable plants.


Rotational grazing improves the soil so it holds moisture with compost and the grasses will grow deeper roots with time to recover. Open grazing ultimately degrades the soil leading to desertification on marginal lands.

Good Stewards of the Land

...and this was mentioned in a radio show this morning:
"Coffee with the Wranglers" 9.472 Mhz (SW)

The government has actually worked against the sustainability of the grasslands, and forests by their "management practices" paid for by grazing fees, etc paid by ranchers.

Cattle drives actually benefit the forests, and in the last national crisis involving the "spotted owl", BLM's management resulted in logging being driven into extinction, people unemployed, and once healthy trees becoming victims of a beetle infestation.
(frail trees are evidently a breeding ground/attractive habitat).

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

good info

thx for post

Conservation vs Central Planning/Ownership

The objective of the BLM is not conservation so much as Bureaucracy and Central Planning.

Central Planning = Central Authority = Central Ownership

This Bureau is simply a conduit/means to TAKE 'Public Lands' and use them for Personal Gain. If you're not part of the Cronyism, then you are not allowed to make use of the resources.

It would be useful for those active in bringing this issue to light to show what giving 268 Million square acres of Surface Lands and 700 million of Subterranean acres of Mineral Deposits to the Government actually does for the 'People' and for the 'Cronies'.

Bring back the buffalo?

The Buffalo Commons -


The original proposal generated a fair amount of
criticism, but it generated a lot of thought about
what is appropriate for the region and quite a
few initiatives have developed to implement some
of the ideas.

Great lecture and reality check - thanks for posting.

To make that work you will have to bring back the

predators, packs of wolfs or lion prides to initiate the herding instinct or rotational graze them.




Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to "mimic" nature and we hadn't slaughtered the natural herds that were already there? The story of the North American continent is a very sad one.

Initial thoughts (only 2 minutes in)

If everyone in the world lived as densely as the people in New York, the entire world population would fit into Texas.

I am completely unconvinced that population is a serious concern for the world at large.


That's the difference between a capitalist and a socialist. We have an expanding pie and see people as assets, they see a shrinking pie and see a need to control and destroy people.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

After all, global population

is only increasing at the rate of 200,000 people per *day*.

Nah, can't see how we couldn't provide food, health care, clothing,
transportion, education etc., etc., for them. It's not like anybody
is going without that stuff now so why worry?

This stuff is all happening,

This stuff is all happening, 100% of it, because of social problems, not because of resource issues. It would be simple to produce enough food for even 12 billion people, with many many times less resources than we spend on our military.

I agree to a point. Now how

I agree to a point. Now how much land does it take to produce food for those people?

Not much, if you do it right.

Not much, if you do it right. This fake corn crap we're doing lately... quite a lot.

I don't have a real stat for you though.

Well, it didn't go the

Well, it didn't go the direction I was expecting at all. This seems very legitimate. Sadly, I'm never too surprised when I learn about yet another thing that is screwed up in modern living that worked fine before people mucked with it.

Anyone have any links to opposing viewpoint material? Or is this one of those things where everyone just opposes it because "cattle will smash all the plants, herp derp"?

Great find

Awesome video!


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Neat concept!

I'm always fascinated when people observe nature, and then copy it in some application to solve a problem.

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!


Wonderful Video

Thanks for the share. I always admire people who challenge current scientific thinking and get out in the field, get their hands dirty and improve the world we live in.

Very interesting video.

Very interesting video. Nature healing nature & making the process work better.