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BLM Also Trying to Seize 90,000 Acres Along Red River Border Between Texas & Oklahoma


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Red River Rumble? BLM Wants to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchers’ Land

Since 1803 when the Louisiana Purchase was completed, there has been a controversy over the boundary between Oklahoma and Texas. The boundary is supposed to be the vegetation line on the south side of the Red River. But the River has moved over time. The problem is the definition of that boundary line - Oklahoma and Texas each use different semantics to define it. And the BLM is finding ways to use the disputed words to give them the ability to seize the land.

According to the BLM, the Red River is always Accretion (gradual accumulation of sediment) to the south, and always Avulsion (rapid formation of a new river channel) to the north. So according to the BLM, the boundary only moves one direction, never in the direction that favors the ranchers. They are looking to re-draw the entire portion of the Red River boundary. That includes 90,000 acres of land along a 116 mile stretch of the river.

Continue Reading: http://misguidedchildren.com/domestic-affairs/2014/04/red-ri...

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Texas Monthly (1997): Drawing the Line - Once and for all, where is the border between Texas and Oklahoma?

Indeed, the long-held notion that the Red River is the legal border between Texas and Oklahoma is more perception than reality. The official border is actually the “gradient boundary line,” the mean water level at the southern edge (except when the process of avulsion cuts new channels around land; in those instances, the border is the abandoned channel). Surveyors determined the line in 1923, after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it was the proper method of locating the south bank. Yet today the gradient boundary is nowhere near the actual river, because over time the Red has shifted its banks with erosion and silting and jumped its banks during floods. Land on one side of the river has often ended up on the other side; pockets of Oklahoma exist in many places south of the river, and pockets of Texas exist north of it. The boundary is also unclear where the western part of the Red separates into braided streams in wide washes without clear-cut banks.

All this has caused predictable confusion. “The tax collector often doesn’t know which state the land is in,” Abney says. “There are some instances in which land is not being taxed and others in which Texas and Oklahoma are both trying to tax it.” Law enforcement has encountered problems too; several years ago, rumor has it, a man committed suicide in the river bottom and authorities spent hours trying to figure out who had jurisdiction over the body. Henderson says he has had little recourse when deer hunters in the public lands behind his property have trampled his fences and killed two of his cows, even carving the hindquarters off one. Although his land is in Texas, the land behind his back fence is part of Oklahoma. “So do I call the game wardens in Oklahoma, who have to travel thirty miles and find a bridge to cross to get here?” he asks. “It’s just not feasible for them to do it.”

Continue Reading: http://www.texasmonthly.com/content/drawing-line

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LA Times (1985) - Texas-Oklahoma Boundary Changes: Landowner Suits Stirring Red River 'Border War'

BYERS, Tex. — Buck James says he is the most-hated man in Texas and that the people from Hollywood should hurry up and make a movie about him.

Actually he is not the most-hated man in Texas. There are too many candidates for that title. But he may well be the most-hated man in Byers, Tex. Certainly the Langfords and the Hendersons and the Zachrys have no use for him and have no qualms about saying so. And as time goes on, other Texans along the Red River may feel the same way.

The reason is that James, who prefers biblical proselytizing to almost anything else, spent nine years in court, arguing with great success that 900 acres on the Texas side of the river were really part of Oklahoma. He said that acreage was rightfully his because it was directly across the river from his Oklahoma property.

James won his case each time it moved to the next rung of the court system, until the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal by the Texans last year. That refusal marked the end of a long legal trail for the Langford family of Texas, and James took possession of the land for his sand and gravel operation.

Continue Reading: http://articles.latimes.com/1985-02-25/news/mn-33605_1_langf...

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Associated Press (1986) - Changing Course of Red River Sparks Land Dispute

Texas landowners want the state to survey the 440-mile river and define its bank as the state border. Texas officials say they will pay for the survey - at an estimated cost of $5 million - only if the federal government gives the state oil leasing rights to part of the riverbed.

The confusion stems from a 1923 court fight between Texas and Oklahoma over rights to oil reserves in the bed of the river.

The U.S. Supreme Court gave Oklahoma the breadth of the river, except along a 110-mile stretch between Waurika, Okla., and the Texas Panhandle, where the Oklahoma line was drawn mid-stream, the federal government got the rights to the southern half of the riverbed, and the Texas line was drawn at the south bank.

Continue Reading: http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1986/Changing-Course-of-Red-Riv...

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map of BLM "managed" land in U.S.

someone posted that here awhile ago. Can anyone point me to it? Thanks.

Oklahoma/Texas rivaly at its finest my friends.

There is a mall in Sherman Texas that has huge blown up pictures covering some of the walls and empty space. These are pictures from way back when. Anyway, one of the pictures is of a local bridge that goes over the Red River. One one side you have crowds of armed Texans and cops, and on the other side you have armed Okies and cops. It's a really cool picture. Best poem ever written on a bathroom wall? "Here I sit, cheeks a flexin, giving birth to another Texan."

"Coffee with The Wranglers"

...is on Short-wave @ 9.472 Mhz.
They are discussing the Bundy "situation",seems to be approx. 1,000
people there now.
Someone must be reading the DailyPaul as they've mentioned my contention that the backhoes are there to bury the cattle once they are killed.
They are also destroying the water systems constructed by the Bundy family generations ago.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

On a call with Nevada

On a conference call with them right now. NH contingent is on the ground there.

http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2014/04/12/truth-abou...

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Thanks for posting that link

...it is a great source of DIRECT INFO from Shirlee Bundy Cox.

Really puts it all into perspective.
Seems what the BLM cannot take by court actions they are now taking by tyrannical brute force.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

BLM is right about one damn thing. Texas DOESN"T own the land.

The people that own and operate the property do.

Governments don't own anything. Everything in their possession belongs to the People. The People simply allow them to use it.

When the People at large recognize that fact, this game will change dramatically.

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By the way, if any of you armed BLM people that are currently participating in the attempted land grab at the Bundy ranch happen by this comment, if you kill any of those people, you're a piece of shit, and I hope your conscious eats your sanity such that the rest of your life is miserable. Today may be a good day to quit your job if you're a human being that prides themselves for doing the right thing.

In addition, if you quit, you might be able to get interviewed (surely by Alex Jones' reporter and possibly by the local networks) and become an internet liberty sensation over night.

The BLM is clearly not managing correctly.

It should be abolished. Texas has a land office. It can manage this affair far better since it has deed information to use.

These people should find real

These people should find real productive jobs which benefit themselves and others, rather than continuously waging a war on individuals and States to rob them of what is theirs.

I seriously cannot accept anybody who even remotely works for the Government as anything other than a waste of genetic material, with an intelligence below that of the average pond scum.

I understand where you're coming from, but....

I understand where you're coming from, but not everyone who works for Government is a bad person. I currently live in a small town, and the only meaningful jobs around here are to work for the school, the county, the city, the Border Patrol, the ranches, or in the oil fields.

I mean, if you really think about it, even most businesses benefit in some way or another from some type of government handout. I'm not saying that is right, but it is true. Are they scum too?

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!

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so quit, grow your own food, live sustainably and get off the

wheel. We did.

Oh, I did quit!

I quit my corporate America job and started two businesses (so far) and moved to the country!

I guess I'm still on the wheel as I fine tune my business systems, but I'm making progress!

I would never take a government job, but that doesn't mean ALL government employees are scum. That was my objection to the comment above.

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Anybody? That's pretty harsh

Anybody? That's pretty harsh :/

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

I added more historical articles...

As a life-long Texan, I'm ashamed I never knew of this controversy.

Check out this little gem I stumbled across:

Texas landowners want the state to survey the 440-mile river and define its bank as the state border. Texas officials say they will pay for the survey - at an estimated cost of $5 million - only if the federal government gives the state oil leasing rights to part of the riverbed.

The confusion stems from a 1923 court fight between Texas and Oklahoma over rights to oil reserves in the bed of the river.

The U.S. Supreme Court gave Oklahoma the breadth of the river, except along a 110-mile stretch between Waurika, Okla., and the Texas Panhandle, where the Oklahoma line was drawn mid-stream, the federal government got the rights to the southern half of the riverbed, and the Texas line was drawn at the south bank.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1986/Changing-Course-of-Red-Riv...

I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!

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