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Rand Needs to Challenge Peter King To a Very Public Debate

After King was quoted as saying Rand is not capable of having an intelligent debate, the challenge was thrown down.

It's time for Rand to go after the ROT of the republican party.

Rand must realize (if he doesn't already), that his BIGGEST HURDLE to a nomination in 2016 is the REPUBLICAN PARTY ITSELF.

NOW is the time Rand - Don't let King go on major network media and slam your name like he's been doing - without consequence.

Rand would tear King to shreds as regards liberty, political history, the Constitution, U.S. history and everything else for that matter.


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Rand is above the fray

Good politics says you don't ever take a swipe at your competition below. If Rand wasn't having an affect the neo-cons wouldn't be making so much commotion over him.

Remember that.

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I agree about not going after your competition below but...

...Peter King is just the tip of the spear of that wing of the GOP which considers him a kooky isolationist. You know - like they did his dad.

So by responding to King, Rand would be talking to ALL the GOP Arab-hating, war-lovers:

John Bolton
Lyndsey Grahem
Glenn Beck
Mark Levin
Sean Hannity
Rick Santorum
Lars Larson
Mike Huckabee
Michael Medved
Rush Limbaugh
Bill Kristol
The entire Bush administrations (both of them)

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

We are awaking the neocons

there needs to be a national bring the troops home campaign.

Rand should treat Peter King ...

... the same way a presidential candidate would treat a TV talking head (because that is all King is).

King is not running for president. The TV talking heads are not running for president. You don't respond to each and every moronic statement, unless it is outrageous and/or you are directly asked.

Paul should not challenge King to a debate. But if he is asked about the comment or someone raises King in an interview, Rand Paul should say:

"Well, you know, the ideas that Peter King espouses are not conservative, traditional Republican ideas. Peter King is a big-government, big-spending politician who always wants war everywhere. He wanted war in Libya, he wants war in Syria, and he wants war in Iran. If you think about it, he's in agreement with Barack Obama more than he is with traditional, conservative principles. [Laughing] Maybe he should switch parties because his ideas are more inline with the Democrat Party, not the traditional, conservative values of the Republican Party, which are less government regulation, a balanced budget, and a strong national defense to protect the people, but not waging wars everywhere in the world, making people around the world dislike Americans. So, I think Republicans should stand for smaller government, Republican ideas, and leave the big government rhetoric to people like Peter King and the Democrats."

Peter King is a Clown

He is a stereotypical politician from an older time that is generally rightfully mocked.

He and his kind should die off like the dinosaurs. And the sooner the better.

You just insulted all the clowns.

And furthermore, Peter King is much worse than a clown.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Bring your vote record, King, and tell us why we ought to buy it

Before Peter King can convince us that we ought to care about why he wants to debate Rand, he needs to sell us on why it's worth hearing.

Rand needs only release a list of known issues, where he's voted and spoke on issues that have polled well, and then ask which of King's grossly unpopular positions would he want to discuss.

Even the party's best strategists won't want to go there. I think it's just a petty political tweak by little Peter.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

The GOP is scared WITLESS

Of Rand Paul. Never change your strategy if you are winning

Look what happened to Romney as soon as he stopped talking about the economy. He started losing again. Always stick to a strategy if it is working.

Even McCain and Graham have stopped with the loud whining.

Any GOP in the house or senate knows they will be unemployed very soon if they criticize Rand Paul.

Peter King is the rare exception, since his base could give a rats ass about Rand. So he can criticize freely.

Obviously, we will continue to see Peter King's amazing transit through every single neo-con sympathizing news show as though he has been pronounced King of the Hill.

His only claim to fame was serving as committee chairman on homeland security for a tenure. That's it. Neo-Con sympathizing talk shows love this guy. I don't doubt Bill Kristol and Anne Coulter pimp him out daily to every talk show and rag they can find.

How can Rand beat Peter King? Continue his strategy of outreach and messaging. Reach the undecided voters, the swing voters, women voters, hispanic voters.

I'm in the Rand shouldn't

I'm in the Rand shouldn't bother camp. King is a dildo. Not worth Rand's time.

Naw, he is a nobody, debating

Naw, he is a nobody, debating him would make King a hero of the Neocons. And maybe even a legitimate candidate.

King's comments demonstrate he's guilty of his own accusations

Shouldn't he be criticizing Rand's policy choices and not the man himself?


Yes, Rand Paul needs to "defeat" the neoconservative ideology Peter King espouses. But you don't put a lowlife like Peter King on a pedestal. You don't elevate him to your level.

Instead, you ignore the moron and allow him to continue making a fool of himself. Sure, if someone asks you a question in an interview about it, you can respond. But having a debate with every ignorant blowhard who comes along is not only a distraction, but it gives those ignorant blowhards a bigger megaphone.

See the "Rand has a strategy" comment below

That article sums up the approach Paul's team is taking, which I support at this time.

King is a zero nobody

Not even worthy of notice by Rand Paul, let alone a debate.

Peter King is trying to make

Peter King is trying to make himself look relevant, look worthy to run for President. King has very very little support to run for President

Rand has a strategy

when it comes to Peter King.

Paul Spars With Christie on Nat'l Security While Ignoring Pete King

I think he should stick to it.

This might help:


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I agree with the OP!

A lot of knuckleheads in the GOP agree with King. A debate would be a great opportunity for Rand to make King look like a fool by completely disproving all his BS talking points.

Actually I don't agree.

I do believe that Paul would make mincemeat out of King in seconds flat, though the average boob watching at home probably won't be able to take notice. However, there are bigger fish that need to be dealt with so that Paul can still be seen as serious, namely Jeb Bush and anyone else viewed as a presumptive front-runner.

Besides, if you really take measure of how ridiculous King's rhetoric has become, it's clear that he is really getting pissed off at the fact that Rand Paul is all but completely ignoring him.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

That's not necessarily

That's not necessarily true
That's working under the assumption that people who support kings unamerican and anti constitutional ideas, have any logic or rational.
A debate will just rally up the opposition more against Rand, because debates for most people is "him against us" mentality
Rand will make a million miles more headway by respectfully dismissing Kings even existence and redirecting the conversation on the message of Liberty.

NO! That's a horrible

That's a horrible idea
That's giving King a platform and a voice
Rand should to dismiss comments made by these "parasite" "leeching" neo-cons like if a democrat (what King truely is) made them
Rand should focus his energy on spreading the message of liberty, fiscal conservatism and non interventionism like he has and not waste a single breath on "debating" arguing with thugs and fools

To those who disagree don't forget ... KING started this.

He is slamming Rand on major media outlets.

If Rand stands idly by with no response or defense of his position, many will buy into King's lies that Rand is a 1930's style isolationist.

We all know what this is about: Foreign policy.

King is one of those who believes we should bomb first and talk later and if you don't agree with him, you're an isolationist.

This is a perfect teaching moment for Rand to explain what isolationism is. That term was wrongly pinned on Ron by the GOP all through his campaigns.

Peter King publically called Rand out on this - calling him INCAPABLE of the intelligence required to even speak on the matter.

I stand strongly by my opinion. Rand should force King to explain his Neo-Con, war-mongering views in full sight of the world.

SHINE THE WHITE HOT LIGHT ON KING and the rest of his NEO CON buddies in congress.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

There is a biblical quote that comes to mind here

"Don't throw your pearls among swine"

I disagree...

King's on the losing side of the debate and on the losing side of public opinion. He's irrelevant.

Giving him a forum to debate Rand elevates King and lowers Rand…not a good strategy for our movement.

Cuimhnigh orm, a Dhia, le haghaidh maith.

I Think You Are Right About How Rand Should Go About This. King

wouldn't have a chance in a public debate with Rand. He would lose all rounds, and Rand in the last round would knock him out completely. They can take jabs back and forth for now and then Rand needs to challenge him to a live debate, one on one. Reminds me of when Geraldo Rivera and Bill O'Reilly where in a public debate which of course shot the ratings up for Fox News.