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Do the Feds really own any land in Nevada?

The Supreme Court states:

The United States never held any municipal sovereignty, jurisdiction, or right of soil in and to the territory of which Alabama, or any of the new States, were formed, except for temporary purposes, and to execute the trusts created by the acts of the Virginia and Georgia legislatures, and the deeds of cession executed by them to the United States, and the trust created by the treaty of the 30th April, 1803, with the French Republic ceding Louisiana.

So in other words, once a territory becomes a state, the Fed must surrender all claims to the land as if it were still just a possession or territory.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/19/do-the-feds-really-...

H/T Zerohedge



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Personally I kinda came to this conclusion.

1. Nevada owns the Land the second it was accepted into the Union, regardless of contract with United States Federal Government, as stated in Pollard’s Lessee v. Hagan.

2. Fed Owns because the Nevada contract with US is null and void because what it grants violates the confines of the Constitutional powers, confirmed by the decision in Pollard’s Lessee v. Hagan. Meaning Nevada has never been a state, and is currently not one.

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Not sure how this squares

with this one

http://www.dailypaul.com/316860/why-the-nevada-vs-blm-land-o...

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Let the states sieze land with Eminent domain

or civil forfeiture.

Agreement for Nevada to become a state

Enabling Act - The requirements of the congressional enabling act were duly incorporated at the beginning of the constitution in a section called "The Ordinance." This included the outlawing of slavery, and the statement that all undistributed public lands would be retained by the federal government and could never be taxed by the state - See more at: http://www.onlinenevada.org/articles/nevada-statehood#sthash...

Lincoln Administration's Make-Beleive State of Nevada, 1864.

Western U.S. Territories, 1853. .~.~ The illegal gymnastics that bypassed U.S. Congress, U.S. Constitution & supposedly created the State of Nevada in 1864, has never been corrected.

There were reasons for both the rush to have a Nevada state, and for the irregular procedure [bypassing the U.S. Congress & U.S. Constitution to allow a Constitution dictated by the Lincoln Administration. First, it was at a time when the nation was fighting a desperately fought Civil War, and Nevada Territory was universally and correctly perceived to be both pro-Unionist and strongly Republican. Thus, despite other territories having considerably more population, Nevada was pushed to the head of the line for statehood. As the 1864 Presidential election approached, there were certain perceived advantages in having an additional Republican state. For one thing, a Republican congressional delegation could provide additional votes for the Passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to abolish slavery, which earlier had narrowly failed to garner the necessary two thirds support of both houses of Congress. More overriding, however, at least in the spring of 1864 was the real fear that there might be three major candidates running for President that year, and that no party would achieve a majority of electoral votes. Then, as required by the United States constitution, the election would go into the House of Representatives, where each state would have only one vote, and where a Republican Nevada would have voting rights equal to those of populous New York or Pennsylvania. This made the admission of an additional safe Republican state seem quite necessary.

A second convention to write a state constitution therefore met from July 4–27, 1864. The defeated 1863 constitution was used as the basis for the new document. The requirements of the congressional enabling act were duly incorporated at the beginning of the constitution in a section called "The Ordinance." This included the outlawing of slavery, and the statement that all undistributed public lands would be retained by the federal government and could never be taxed by the state. These provisions would be "irrevocable" without the consent of Congress and of the people of Nevada. The new constitution also included a "paramount allegiance" clause, proclaiming the supremacy of the United States government over the states and that no state had the right to secede, both very much Republican party doctrine, and voluntarily inserted into the document by its makers. The 1864 constitution also espoused democratic principles, popular in the West, with popular elections demanded for many state offices, including the state judiciary. Possible opposition from mine owners was headed off by a provision stating that only the net proceeds of mines could be taxed.

[Nevada] state constitution was overwhelmingly approved by Nevada voters on September 7, 1864, with 10,375 votes supporting it, and a mere 1,184 against. [After several votes overwhelmingly disapproving it as miners objected to federal government taxes.] The constitution was telegraphed to Washington, D.C. at a cost of $3,416.77, supposedly the longest and most expensive telegram ever sent up to that time. Lincoln proclaimed Nevada a state on October 31, 1864, and, eight days later, Nevada voted strongly Republican in the Presidential, congressional, and legislative elections. The state surely was "Battle Born" (one of its several state mottoes). The Civil War had been indispensable for giving statehood to one of the least populated and economically viable of all the territories.

Same link as reply above: http://www.onlinenevada.org/articles/nevada-statehood#sthash... One page history.

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