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Chemtrails Debunked

Welcome Friends!

The purpose of this thread is to debunk (1) the myth that dark entities are openly, actively and intentionally spraying toxic chemicals "chemtrails" in the skies with the intention of poisoning humanity and the earth. (2) the idea that contrails dissipate quickly and cannot persist (3) the belief that the white streaks we see spanning from horizon to horizon are chemtrails (4) And other false ideas about geo engineering.

I know this is a touchy subject with many of you, as it should be. I admire your passion and your willingness to defend your fellow man by exposing what you believe to be the biggest crime ever committed against humanity.

As a former believer in chemtrails I feel a moral obligation to share the knowledge and information that was influential in changing my mind about the subject.

I feel like the charlatans who sold me this lie stole something from me. After much research and contemplation I was able to look through the haze and see the sunlight of truth shining in.

I hope you enjoy the videos and dialogue.


http://youtu.be/zOXt0BTOTN0

Founder of California Skywatch, says
"I don't have the documentation, I dont have a single study, I don't have a single solitary evidence" that jets are releasing chemicals on the unsuspecting populace.

One of the main people who started all this nonsense says that she can't find a single shred of evidence that supports the notion that the contrails we see in the sky are really nothing more than condensation trails.

Joe Rogan Interviews Michael Murphy of What in the World are They Spraying


http://youtu.be/4l9XucJXosE

Miles Muzio
Chief Meteorologist
KBAK-TV
CBS 29 News
Bakersfield California

"This is an ongoing controversy with some people who insist a malevolent conspiracy is subliminally gassing Americans. I have found no credible evidence of this."


http://youtu.be/Cr25giCYKhA

AIR FORCE WHISTEBLOWER KRISTIN MEGHAN ADMITS:

"My whistleblowing is not related to chemtrails, it is related to industrial ground activities that overexposed the workers and they didn't want it reported, and since I took the samples, they wanted to demonize me in case I spoke out.

It is going through what I did as a whistleblower than led to my activism. Chemtrails and the TSA are my biggest topics I am linked to." https://www.metabunk.org/threads/kristen-meghan-former-us-ai...

CHEMTRAILS VS CONTRAILS

In this video we get to see Alex Jones spread disinfo about chemtrails.


http://youtu.be/Y97OK6qEIz0

Cloud Seeding Explained


http://youtu.be/Sn5g4Gt_EJw

FAQS ABOUT CLOUD SEEDING FROM SOUTH TEXAS WEATHER MODIFICATION

http://southtexasweathermodification.com/faq.html

12. Is there any link between cloud seeding and chemtrails?

No. STWMA, along with the WMA, is unaware of any connection between cloud seeding as is practiced by our program and to what some refer to as “chemtrails” (chemical trails). Atmospheric scientists even dispute the existence of “chemtrails”. What some chose to call chemtrails are actually “contrails” (condensed engine exhaust trails), which are well-understood atmospheric phenomena. Contrails are defined as “streaks of condensed water vapor created by an airplane or rocket at high altitudes.” These condensation trails are the result of normal emissions of water vapor, carbon dioxide, and some carbon-containing particulates from piston engines and jet engines at high altitudes in which, given the right atmospheric conditions, the water vapor condenses into a visible cloud. Actually, due to the very cold temperatures at high altitudes, the water droplets that initially form this cloud rapidly freeze, forming an ice cloud similar to naturally occurring cirrus clouds. Under certain conditions contrails can merge or contribute to the development of a larger area of cirrus clouds. Contrails are normally observed on otherwise clear days, when cloud seeding would not be conducted. The cloud seeding nuclei from ground or airborne sources do not produce such visible. ..

If you are serious about learning and finding the truth, you could start at
WWw.contrailscience.org or https://www.metabunk.org/forums/contrails-and-chemtrails.9/

Did you know there are over 87,000 flights a day in the United States?

This is a simulation of those flights.


http://youtu.be/d9r3H4iHFZk

AIRCRAFT CONTRAILS FACTSHEET from the EPA

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/envi...

FORMATION, PROPERTIES AND CLIMATIC EFFECTS OF CONTRAILS

http://aero-net.info/fileadmin/aeronet_files/links/documents...

CONTRAIL FORMATION AND IMPACTS ON AEROSOL PROPERTIES IN AIRCRAFT PLUMES: EFFECTS OF FUEL SULFUR CONTENT

http://www.albany.edu/~yfq/papers/YuTurcoContrail97GL03695.pdf

Near-field measurements on contrail properties from fuels with different sulfur content

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/97JD02209/abstract

ABSTRACT: Microphysical properties of jet exhaust aerosol and contrails were studied in the near field of the emitting aircraft for different fuel sulfur contents. Measurements were performed behind two different aircraft (ATTAS test aircraft of type VFW 614 and Airbus A310-300) using fuels with sulfur contents of 6 ppm and 2700 ppm, respectively. At closest approach (plume age < 1 s), the total number concentrations exceeded the measuring range of the condensation particle counter, i.e., N>105 cm−3. The concentration of the dry accumulation mode aerosol, i.e., predominantly soot particles, was not affected by the fuel sulfur content. At a plume age of 10 s, an increase in total number concentration (Dp>0.01 µm) by a factor of 3.5 in the high sulfur case compared to the low sulfur case was observed. The ultrafine condensation nuclei fraction (0.007 µm http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/95GL01312/abstract

Links to studies on Jet Fuel Exhaust

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12580487/

http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/cjr50a-035

http://www.astm.org/DIGITAL_LIBRARY/JOURNALS/TESTEVAL/PAGES/...

This image monitors atmospheric conditions that are consistent with contrail formation.

There are also plenty of people here on the DP to help. Once you find out that you have been duped, you begin to see who the real enemy is: Those who spread lies and fear and paranoia.

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"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Cat got your tongue Laundry?

Just can't find the words to reply?

It can't be...can it?

What does this evidence suggest?

Soli, from 4/23 to 5/2 you posted over 20 comments on this thread and zero anywhere else.

Hmm...thats kind of telling.

Does the evidence presented below support the hypothesis that you are a disinformation agent? Fear mongerer?

You have been caught lies, haven't been able to refute the main points of my position and you are really starting to annoy me.

You posted plenty of disinfo on this site. Move along.

Solis disinfo campaign:

Cat got your tongue Laundry? 05/02/2014 02:24

Another 100 nails in the deniers coffin. Excellent find Secrent 05/02/2014 02:21

You never answered my question... 05/01/2014 20:14

On the contrary, its very usefull to counter the absurd 05/01/2014 18:46

So as a dis-info shill do you get paid per post or flat rate? 05/01/2014 17:48

Laundryhead, You Absurdum ad infinitum - consider the source! 05/01/2014 16:43

Charlatans? If thats not the pot calling the kettle black... 05/01/2014 15:44

Mick West: Aerosols MUST be in the air already.... 05/01/2014 15:00

Who is Mick West? ... King of the Shills - "Mr. MetaBunk" 05/01/2014 14:30

... It's just comercial traffic with digital vapor behind it 05/01/2014 14:17

.. Drones are really comercial flights with falling ice crystals 04/29/2014 01:04

So its "just comercial traffic with water vapor" right? NOT! 04/25/2014 15:25

What is your definition of a Chemtrail? 04/25/2014 14:14

You my friend are the one who is mistaken 04/25/2014 03:52

Contrails expelled from the tail? 04/25/2014 03:25

Contrails not likely - Here is why: 04/25/2014 03:06

Not only is GEOENGINEERING real... IT'S PATENTED! 04/25/2014 02:54

Spray on.... Spray Off - PROOF! 04/25/2014 02:45

AHHA! so you finally admit there are chemtrails! 04/25/2014 01:47

Here is video #4 the one with Kristen's so-called retraction.. 04/24/2014 03:11

A minor correction does not negate her message. 04/24/2014 03:07

How about an insider that affirms chemtrails? 04/24/2014 02:09

So you can turn a contrail on and off? 04/24/2014 00:17

Explain this.... 04/23/2014 18:56

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

The Evidence Suggests....

... that you are obsessed with the absurd! Your whole post is absurd! Perhaps you should add all these Red Herrings of yours to your series of dis-info posts you have embarked on:

- Chemtrails Debunked (contender for the "most hated" on DP)
- BiTcoin Debunked (flirting with zero votes)
- Soli Debunked (destined to go down in flames)
- Time Travel Debunked (Has the potential to be your best post)
- Debunking Debunked (Now here is one with some real substance)
- Absurdity Debunked (An exercise in circular reasoning)

Laundryhead You're wrong! You're DEAD wrong! You're ALWAYS wrong!

It can't be...can it?

Nice research...

But nice try.
I've been following the subject for more than decade. Yet I decided one of the supporting documents to check. EPA/FAA on Contrails.
The doc mentions the buzz word "Climate change" - Strike one.
It also mentions "metal particles" as a by-product of the exhaust. Strike two. These metal particles are the concern. These particles include barium sulfate a carcinogen.
http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0010.htm

Your argument:

because a site used a "buzz word"
As you call it, the entire thing must be a joke.

I have reviewed the link you "checked"
and the word barium in not listed anywhere in the document.

Lie much?

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/envi...

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

"Chemtrails" — How They Affect You and What You Can Do

Excellent video,

offering many resources for further research to anyone interested in doing personal research into the ramifications, and variations of geo-engeering. There are literally decades of research, whistle-blowing and documentation available.

A quick Google search will reveal quite a library of historical information. Below are two interesting, and informative videos for your consideration.

What In The World Are They Spraying?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...

Why In The World Are They Spraying?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Bill, you're being redundant

The links you have provided have been debunked.

The film WIWATS is based on a false premise:

"Contrails can't persist"

It has discussed in depth on this board.

Do you have anything of substance to offer to the conversation or just more fear mongering propaganda and YouTube videos?

If you are going to join the conversation you could show respect by answering the questions happygirl presented to you instead of ignoring them.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

LOL…. Laundryhead you are the funny one

First, you've have "debunked" all the facts, research, documents, and testimonials in those two renown videos with a single deduction. Your deduction that the premise of these two documentary video is that "Contrails can't persist" is beyond absurd. WOW! You must be the most amazing debunker ever. In your own mind that is.

Secondly, you call me redundant while continuing to regurgitate the same old government rhetoric of chemtrails conspiracy theories and pseudo science, over, and over, and over again. One would think that all the down-votes, intellegent rebuttals, research, and evidence presented would give you cause to reconsider your position; But no.

You are the funny one.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Please show me one intelligent rebuttal

I must have missed it.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Somehow that doesn't surprise me.

Based on all your other posts.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Just when I thought we were getting somewhere

I'm busy responding to your other comment and you post this misleading video. Diversion tactic?

VR, you can do whatever you want, but I have to ask....can you please stop trolling this thread? Let's keep our discussions in one place. That's all I ask. Post 1000 Chemtrail videos, I don't care, but do it in one place please.

Now about this video...

Thrive movement huh? More like Lies movement. As always, don't take my word for it, listen to what people that were in the film have to say.

"Why have Amy Goodman, Deepak Chopra, Paul Hawken, Edgar Mitchell, Vandana Shiva, John Perkins, Elisabet Sahtouris, Duane Elgin and Adam Trombly, as well as yours truly, gone to the trouble of signing our names to this public statement? The statement reads as follows:"

“We are a group of people who were interviewed for and appear in the movie Thrive, and who hereby publicly disassociate ourselves from the film.”

"“Thrive is a very different film from what we were led to expect when we agreed to be interviewed. We are dismayed that we were not given a chance to know its content until the time of its public release. We are equally dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided.”

http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/disaster-by-design-w...

You know what VR, during the time that it's taken me to respond, I've changed my mind. I'm giving up on you. Hopefully I've planted some seeds that will give you something to think about.

Your refusal to accept scientific PROOF that normal contrails can perist and form clouds, let's me know exactly where you stand.

I know we're all on this Ark together. I've made some condescending sarcastic remarks, but they were all lighthearted and meant to amuse not offend.

However, no more Mr. Nice Guy. I've lost all respect for you and your buddy Soli also. Soli's last 20 comments have been on this thread.

Soli, like you has ignored the truth time after time.

As I said before, it's very telling. It's hard for me to believe that you're just some ignorant dupe and not intentionally spreading disinformation.

So with that being said, I'm done with you homie. Post whatever you like. You will be ignored.

Peace!

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Here in elko nevada

There are anywhere from 3-6 planes that go in grid formations throughout the day and lately it is EVERY day. I will get some video of it but these planes are not flying anywhere except back and forth over our city.

Maybe they are just really wealthy people playing a game of tic tac toe up there LOL

They go in a straight line, start spraying and then during their turn around it shuts off and then back on once they start their line again.

These planes are also not on the flight24 tracker but not sure if all planes are listed and shown there so who knows.

One thing though, we have a SMALL airport and these planes are not coming from there. Very HIGH ALTITUDE, spray their trails and then fly off to who knows where.

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This is one of the most absurd threads on the DP.

Only a fool would deny the existence and purpose of Chemtrails; Either a fool or a paid government troll.

Mr Laundryhead has far too much free time on his hands, and far too much investment into trying to disprove the blatantly obvious to those who are aware.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

It's not my job to reform fools.

Again, a simple google search can easily help answer questions for those that would have eyes to see and ears to hear. However most fools are content to become mesmerized with their own rants, and deductions.

That said, a simple google search asking a few basic questions will yield a vast wealth of information on the distinctions between contrails and chemtrails. For your consideration may I suggest starting with:
"what is the difference between chemtrails and contrails?"
"what is the history of chemtrails?"
"what are chemtrails?"

All I can do is point people the data. How they choose to interpret it is their business.

"A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer", Bruce Lee

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

I'm a fool, please enlighten me...

How long does a vapor trail have to be for it to be a chemtrail, not just a contrail? 500ft? 1000ft? 5280ft? 5 miles? 10 miles? Please, I need to be able to identify chemtrails when they are overhead so I can get indoors.

I've read on here by Chemtrail enthusiasts that they can be identified by their length and by their width, but no one gives any specifics, they say they just know by looking at them, that they must be. Is there any cross over between dimensions, like can sometimes a regular jet contrail last longer than a chemtrail, or spread wider than a chem trail? Please someone give me some details, so I know what to look for, as I've never been good with divining rods, or weegee boards, or anything of that sort. Just facts please, actual dimensions that prove they are chemtrails and not just contrails. Thanks in advance!

Only fools

claim they poison us from the sky when really all they have to do is poison our food, water, vaccines, medications etc.

Exactly

Fluoridation of the municipal water supply is a violation of the NAP as far as I'm concerned.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

This one takes the cake for me

http://www.dailypaul.com/301528/miley-cyrus-is-tearing-it-up...

And to think, you called my post absurd.

Funny guy.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

SNL too much for you?

Maybe you should start debunking the shows existence.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Bill,

I only debunk things that don't exist.

Example:

"BillRows critical thinking debunked"

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Who is Mick West? ... King of the Shills - "Mr. MetaBunk"

Two Disinfo Sites Run by “Just Some Guy” – Mick West

Mick West claims to be just "some guy" who hosts two websites that claim to use science to debunk what he calls the "pseudoscience" of covert aerosol geoengineering (aka chemtrails). West admits he's not a scientist or meteorologist but is working on his private pilot license out of Santa Monica airport in California.

http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2012/07/two-chemtrail-di...

*** The Metabunk forum is a watering hole for hardened deniers, educationally challenged, gullible and disinfo agents who spend too much time at attempting to debunk supportable evidence to suspect they're not on some payroll. ***

Laundryhead which category do you fall? - from reading your other posts it appears you are too intelligent to be educationally challenged or gullible so that leaves you on the payroll...

It can't be...can it?

Well if you read it on the internet

It must be true. Nice strawman. I guess if you can't refute the argument you have to attack the person presenting it.

Dont just tell me im wrong, Show me where I'm wrong.

It can't be...can it?

No, it's not.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Mick West: Aerosols MUST be in the air already....

West: Aerosols MUST be in the air already otherwise there would be no clouds.”

The Truth Denied:
I consider this as proof of another chemtrails debunker inconsistency. Chemtrails debunker often claim that contrails was made of water vapor. This is a false statement.

The story started when I posted to facebook about: “Anyone who says that contrails are made only of water vapor is shill.”. Then Mick West responded, 4 August 2012:
“But there’s lots of aerosols in the atmosphere anyway, that’s how natural clouds form.
Contrails would form even if there were no soot in the exhaust. The main thing is the water in the exhaust.”

http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/2012/08/06/mick-west-owne...

Laundryhead: Your leader is really out to lunch here. This is not science or logic, this is the theater of the absurd.

It can't be...can it?

Sigh

You know there's really no way of arguing with you about this topic if you don't even know what aerosols are.

You realize clouds take more than just water vapor to form right?

It's like the same people who think nano particles are a new invention or something.

Eric Hoffer

Soli, you ad hominem freaking ad hominem

Do you even know what an aerosol is?

Read this:

Natural aerosols—often sulfates, sea salt or ammonium salts—are the most common condensation nuclei in pristine environments. Polluted air, in contrast, usually contains much higher concentrations of water-soluble particles, which means pollution-rich clouds tend to have more numerous, but smaller, droplets. The small droplets make polluted clouds look brighter than they would otherwise be. Just as many bits of crushed ice give light more surfaces to reflect off—appearing brighter than a solid cube of ice—if the water in a cloud is divided into a larger number of smaller droplets, it will scatter more light and become more reflective.

http://m.earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Aerosols/page4.php

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Laundryhead, You Absurdum ad infinitum - consider the source!

You can't have it both ways - lets face it your source sucks!

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/science.html
“Contrails are clouds formed when water vapor condenses and freezes around small particles (aerosols) that exist in aircraft exhaust. Some of that water vapor comes from the air around the plane; and, some is added by the exhaust of the aircraft.”

The main thing of contrails is not the water, but the aerosol or particle production. I could not find statement in scientific reference that support the idea of contrails can form with only water vapor.

... And if its aerosol particle production you can't say conclusively that it is not the result of man-made spraying.

It can't be...can it?

More sighs

More not knowing what classifies as an aerosol or that aerosols occur naturally in the environment.

Eric Hoffer

Disregard the source. ...it's irrelevant!!!!

I challenge you to disprove the validity of the information I have provided you with.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul