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What's the best rod for disciplining your child?

Proverbs 13:24 tells us that "who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him."

Since we are supposed to take the Bible literally, I would like advice on the best rod to show my love. A bare hand just won't do. The Bible doesn't say "he who spares the spanking hand." It clearly calls for a rod.

What do you guys think of rattan? It has that cool look and makes that scary sound as you swing it through the air. But it doesn't seem durable. What about metal? It might be tiring to swing a heavy metal rod all day, as there is lots of discipline to dish out.

What about just a plain old PVC pipe? It's cheap and rather elastic. Should I wrap it up in some duct tape so it doesn't leave a mark?

And what about a rod for the old ball and chain? I am going to see what the experts have to say on the subject:



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Parents who hit their kids,

Parents who hit their kids, and I'm talking about the psychos on this thread who brag about really beating their kids, are borderline child molesters or slave owners. Let's be honest here. You all treat your kids like property, and think you can do as you please with them, and it's pretty sick. You all are the reason that government has expanded to unbelievable levels. You idiots are the reason that CPS even exist. You're stubborn host parasites that have caused leach parasites, like government bureaucracy, to follow you. These leaches have now forgotten about the host and found healthier, more abundant and natural hosts to feed off of making their scalability increase exponentially.

In other words, you suck!

There is a great lack of

There is a great lack of discernment regarding literal interpretations of the Bible. Look, just use common sense. This is an idiomatic expression--other languages have them and we have them in English. The PRINCIPLE being taught here is to discipline children. This must be kept in context with the rest of the Bible that commands parents to love and train their children, and gives examples for us to follow of how God loves and chastises His children for us. The root of discipline is LOVE. A child will know when he is disciplined in love and will grow from it.

You've Just Hit Your Child....

...probably scarring him/her emotionally for life.
...and his/her good friend Billy shows up.......


"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Its okay to hit your kids

as long as you do it in a loving way.

That is what I learned here. Along with;

It is okay to kick your dog because it is not human.

It is also okay to eat fish because they don't have any feelings.

Note: It is also okay to be sarcastic as long as you aren't talking about the way parents discipline their children.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Nature’s animal kingdom

Nature’s animal kingdom disciplines
It’s offspring when needed.
It’s natural and normal.


Yes, there we go again, using

Yes, there we go again, using "animals" to compare ourselves.

It's like when people say, "some animals are homosexuals."

No matter how much you love your doggie, humans are the superior species!!!! There is no other species that can think like us on the planet, for good or for evil, we are the superior intelligent species.

Yes, some humans can act like animals sometimes, but no animal can act like a human, ever!!!! Just because your cat or dog is happy because his food supplier has come home, doesn't make it intelligent, it makes it hungry.

Beat your kid like an animal, and you will get an animal.

You assume much but know

You assume much but know little.


Rule of wrist?

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

This is how my family did it... lol



"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

I love you guys on the DP,

but the way in which I choose to raise my child is, really, nunya bidness, so please, just let me do it my way. Thanks.

I prefer real-world

I prefer real-world consequences, as opposed to contrived ones.

Loss of privilege, loss of good-will, loss of trust always made a bigger impact on me than any contrived consequence.

Author of Shades of Thomas Paine, a common sense blog with a Libertarian slant.


Also author of Stick it to the Man!


70's vintage Hotwheels track,

70's vintage Hotwheels track, the newer stuff don't hurt.

Treat children like animals

Treat children like animals or beasts, and they grow up to be animals or beasts.

Japanese people are some of the most well mannered, respectful and calm people on the planet. How did they get that way? From a parent or teacher beating them like an animal??? Absolutely not! Sure a ruler on the hands once might be appropriate, but beating a kid like a wild horse is disgusting and WRONG!

You need patience and intelligence when raising kids. You have to use reverse psychology and be the wiser person in the situation. Taking a kid out back and beating them because they are noisy is idiotic and half-assed.

Raising kids is hard work, just like anything. If you need violence to solve all your problems, especially family problems, well, you need to be in a cage because YOU are the animal.

Oh yes, the Japanese don't have a cruel bone in their bodies.

Ever hear of the death marches?.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Im talking about in general

Im talking about in general as a society. Have you ever been to Japan?

And please, are there any videos on liveleak.com of Japanese soldiers tossing puppies off cliffs for entertainment? How about videos of Japanese female soldiers sticking plungers up POWs asses for fun??? No, the only videos of soldiers doing that are Americans. .

yes, americans are just as cruel

no argument there

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Japan is an imperial nation,

Japan is an imperial nation, they treated the Koreans like trash.

An ex-imperial nation,

An ex-imperial nation, remember they lost the war, there, Stonewall!

And those Korean prostitutes you speak of, who forced them into it? Their Korean pimps of course!

I was talking about how they

I was talking about how they ruled as an empire, not how they treated prostitutes. Japan is a stern and harsh culture in my opinion, not a polite one. But it's just my opinion, hard to prove things like that on the nets.

"Stern and Harsh" Sure, if

"Stern and Harsh"

Sure, if you're talking about feudal Japan. Modern Japan is VERY different. Sure some cultures might look at Japan as a bit "cold," because they don't kiss and hug when they see friends and some family, but that doesn't mean they don't love, nor does it mean they're not a great society. I heard my French friends say they think Japanese are too stern because they greet so coldly, just a bow, but I personally prefer it over kissing and hugging. For me, kissing and hugging is left for my family, not every single person I meet on a daily basis.

Japan and the Japanese definitely have their quirks and idiosyncrasies, but no more or less than the average American.

Japan is the most respectful, calm, clean, and organized society in the world, and they didn't get that way from beating the shit out of their kids with a rod, tree branch or a belt.

Yes, corporal punishment might take place in a kendo, karate, or judo dojo, but that is par for the course and if you can't handle it, then dismiss yourself!

Something that stings...

We have eight children, who probably don't get spanked enough (I don't enjoy spanking my kids - it's honestly easier to spare the rod). But I know the Bible's true, and we have used spanking to address a few key things, like disrespect, dishonesty, stealing, and (oh boy, the critics are going to love this one), when a child strikes another child.

We use a wooden spoon, or a thin plastic spatula. It stings, but doesn't abuse. What ever you use, try it on yourself first - hit the palm of your hand, your thigh, or you can have you wife give you a good spanking (you probably deserve it).

Remember, NEVER spank in anger. Use a measured response, and take time afterwards to talk about what happened, and LOVE ON THEM.

Restore the Foundations - "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

Well said.

That's how we do it. However, sounds like we do more of it. Not a day goes by...she's getting one now...one more for not listening...okay, done. Give her two minutes and she'll be singing and playing.

We are such barbarians. I should have locked her in her room for an hour and let her brood over the injustice done to her. Maybe I should have just counted to 3...a dozen times in a row until. Better yet, grounding for a week. You know, get her used to the humane idea of locking people in cages for extended periods of time for non-violent offences.

Whatever the means of discipline, it must not be the method that has worked for thousands of years to raise generations of mature, responsible, happy and productive member's of society. You know, the BIBLICAL method.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin

Are things like

disrespect, dishonesty, stealing, or striking a reflection of pupil or master?

If they are a reflection of master and not pupil ... perhaps you should let your children spank you. If a child steals for the first time did you let your child spank you for your failure before you spanked them the second time it occurred?

Is there no wisdom in fool me once, shame on me ... fool me twice shame on you? I would have a lot more respect for a spanking parent if they told me the first time my child did ________, I demanded they spank me for not being a good enough parent because the next time it happened I was going to spank them. Are there any parents on DP who have ever demanded their child spank them?

I'm not a parent

but have been following this thread. You just made a funny, yet excellent point.

Actually, it's pretty hilarious.

"Are there any parents on DP who have ever demanded their child spank them?"

ROFL! I wish I could see their faces as they ponder the legitimacy of your question.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Ed Ucation

Are you pro life or pro choice? Because if you are pro choice, and advocate killing unborn children, you would have no moral high ground to preach about spanking.

Wanting to kill children is a little more severe than a swat on the butt.

Looks like the pro submit to God, pro submit to parents crowd is pretty pervasive around here, based on all your down votes..

moral vs. legal

I am morally opposed to corporal punishment, but I am also against government intervention in parenting.

I am morally opposed to abortion, but I am also against government intervention in a woman's body. I am a fan of evictionism.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

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"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

An unborn baby is not a

An unborn baby is not a trespasser except in cases of rape, which is about 1% of all abortions according to the pro choice New York Times.


So with rape being statistically insignificant, the other 99% of the time the unborn baby is aborted as after the fact birth control by irresponsible women. Are you in the moral right to invite me to your house, and shoot me as a trespasser when I show up? If you order a Pizza and the delivery guy walks on your property, is he a trespasser? No, obviously he is on your property as a result of your FREE choices.

As far as the idea of a fetus being a parasite, how could you not argue for infanticide? My 4 year old sucks away my money on food, and clothing, do I have the moral right to kill him on those grounds? A fetus is not a parasite, it is by human life in a stage of development.

Killing a human life is OK when it is in your body, but spanking that same human life when it is outside of the body is wrong, this is logical to you? So you want children to develop into good adults because you love them, but fuck it, go ahead and have their bodies ripped apart in pieces, and vacuum sucked out of the womb, if a baby is going to get in the way of going to the nightclub?.

I have a challenge for you and your belief system, I challenge you to go watch some abortion videos on pro life websites and see if you feel any empathy. I also challenge you to define at what exact point a human life becomes of value to you, and you then find killing them wrong? What day does the clock on the wall have to strike midnight rendering rights onto a fetus? How can you logically say something has no rights, and in 5 seconds when the clock hits midnight, it now has rights? At what point is killing a fetus causing an uncomfortable feeling with your guilt levels? Or, do you support a woman having an abortion at 8 1/2 months as well?

There is a parallel between abortion and warfare, in both situations killing is made OK by psychologically dehumanizing them first. First you rationalize others as having lesser or no value, then killing can be accomplished. The more someone lacks empathy, a sociopath, the easier it is to kill. I would think that the best abortion doctors are sociopaths that enjoy their work.

I understand that the most psychologically entrenched individuals are the women that have had abortions, and that admitting to being a murderer is a tough thing. As a former member of the U.S. military that served corporate interests, and as a result participated in launching fighter jets to bomb Iraqis, I am a accomplice to murder. I was young, naive, thought I had good intentions, and had the brainwashing reinforced by everyone around me. I would be in jail if I had done what I did in the U.S., but because it was brown people, they gave me little colorful ribbons. That doesn't mean that I wasn't an accomplice to murder though, and the mainstream reinforcing abortion as OK, doesn't make that not murder either.

In order to support war or abortion you have to be able to see the value of human life on a sliding scale, and who made you God? Where do others see your value of life on their sliding scales? Life either has value or it doesn't, and if you believe it is up to you to subjectively assign value, you view yourself as a God, whether you are willing to admit it or not.

If the Pizza delivery guy delivers the pizza and then refuses

to leave, what then? A woman has the right to change her mind.

As for your four year example, you obviously don't have to right to kill him, but you can give him up. It's immoral as anything, but you could give him up for adoption. This is equivalent to a woman choosing to eject a fetus.

As for your challenge, I told you that I am morally opposed to abortion. Abortion is wrong. But the case for abortions should be made on moral grounds, not legal grounds. I am absolutely opposed to any government invasion of a woman's body.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus