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Lord of The Flies- Piggy Death Scene

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Michael Nystrom's picture

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And the Lord of the Flies.

http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Flies-William-Golding/dp/15732261...

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Public School = Lord Of The Flies

what happens when you group children by the same age? 12 year olds ONLY hanging with 12 year olds?

For one, the 12 year olds don't get to compete and try to challenge the 15 year old, or teach the 9 year old. So there is a homogenization effect, where the kids are pretty limited in what they can learn from each other. Because they are all so close in stature.

And there is one adult in the room. Who do you think the kids look to for validation? The ONE ADULT? Do you think the kids strive to be JUST LIKE the teacher? All proper speaking, polite and gentle?

In fact, the kids DESPISE THE ADULT (not in all ways and all cases of course!). But the kids DESPERATELY TRY TO IMPRESS... THE OTHER 12 YEAR OLDS! NOT THE TEACHER! The kids STRIVE to BE MORE LIKE EACH OTHER, not the teacher.

The original plan of school WAS to get the kids to REACH UP to the level of the teacher. But now the kids desperately want to STAY DOWN at their level to just like the other 12 year olds.

I call this a "horizontal effect," where no one reaches vertically, they just stay on a single plane, and as time goes on, the kids fall more and more closely to lying on the same plane.

So I see the public schools as a "Lord of the Flies" scenario.

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BTW I can remember watching this in the early 90's on cable as a child and feeling very emotional during the movie.

So true!

So true!

Modern day detroit

makes the movie tame in comparison.

The message

The theme of Lord of the Flies is that man is inherently evil, and can only be civilized by an authoritarian state, as represented in the story by the English school system and Royal Navy. Without society and government, mankind would revert to savagery in less than one generation.

Ĵīɣȩ Ɖåđşŏń

"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

The

mob had a monopoly of force and ignored the rule of law killing the dissenter. Sounds like our foreign policy.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

Clearly

This kind of behavior was caused by the State, Organized Religion, and Capitalism.

Hahahaha!

..and somebody downvoted you for that???

Go figure.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I believe the story depicted

I believe the story depicted what happened when trying to survive without the institutions of law and order and how quickly can humanity fall?

Amen!

Amen!

Statist!

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More centralization is always the cure...

The (attempted) establishment of a monopoly on force by gangs of thugs always has lovely consequences.

[/sarcasm]

Is this anarchy? What do you

Is this anarchy? What do you think?

I'm an anarchist that would settle temporarily for localism...

Elect a sheriff and a few judges which would only have local jurisdiction. It's much easier to hold folks accountable and influence their actions if they live near you.

Having "rulers" - ie those which make up and enforce, supposed, rules - over large territories is begging for inefficiency and a lack of accountability. What recourse do I have if a Senator from my State promotes indefinite detention without due process, for instance? Cast a vote? What else?

Whereas, what recourses are available if I grew up with and live amongst the individual trying to encroach on my freedom? I could stage a protest outside of his/her house. I could tell my story at the grocery store, at work, or at any other place I go. I could engage in simple actions that would defame the character and diminish the likelihood of their future political success. It would be much easier to push unsavory folks out of the public sector.

Accountability is the name of the game. Beyond one's local sphere of influence, maintaining accountability is somewhat of a pipe dream - a problem which has failed to be solved for thousands of years. It's high time to internalize that lesson and embrace reasonable solutions - which haven't already failed.

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To answer your question directly, solely concerning the scene presented in the video, it was the creation of the author/director/etc expressing a speculative opinion of what may happen in such a circumstance.

Personally, I think what was trying to be expressed is that killing a messenger of peace is a childish and shameful action - "If you don't agree with my way, I will kill you." This happens to be a defining characteristic of "governments" and psychopaths (if there is a discernible difference). Only a very small fraction of people resort to murder as a solution to their problems. How many murderers do you know personally?

What happened in the video was only a result of creative liberty. Obviously, it didn't really happen, and so, what occurred in the scene wasn't a result of any type of official governmental system or lack thereof.

One Must Admit, However...

...that the schoolyard reeked of accountability.

It was there that "frontier justice" might be had.
(if it occurred out-of-sight of the dreaded monitors).
If not, the "duel-after-school" was proposed/negotiated.

To those who were bullied there, they sought the safety of the monitor's protection.

But I do like your "localized scenario".
Just wondering how long till it became "the schoolyard" again?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Why is it that everytime

Why is it that everytime somebody steps up and talks about peace and unity, they get taken out!? This scene is so powerful, it just gives me chills.