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Oath Keepers and Stewart Rhodes not respected very much at Bundy Ranch

Whenever there is major national publicity, Stewart Rhodes and his non-profit Oath Keepers are there to give speeches, fly flags, and ask for donations.

The real hero's are usually the one's you never hear about.


http://youtu.be/YmKMTulX3BQ

UPDATE: Since I'm getting downvotes for posting reliable intel I thought I would share what this Colonel who was there has to say. Make sure you read the comments from people who were there too. Let the hero-worship downvotes commence...


http://youtu.be/D-q_zTt3Wgc




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From experience, I'm wary of

From experience, I'm wary of ANY organization whose "leader" is an attorney including the ABA. ;)

Shouldn't the FCC have an engineer as its head? Well, it doesn't as its head honcho is nearly always an attorney. I certainly wouldn't want an attorney as a commander in the field ... Personally, I don't mind a group such as Oathkeepers as long as its members are subservient to operational commanders who know combat strategies and logistics.

The obvious

seeds of a successful political movement, here.

jealous rooster

talking about who's the better rooster. Childish

Not very useful dialog for encouraging people to come out and stand with them.

I'm sorry,

but what he was stating, was he wishes these political people had the courage to come out and stand with them. Most military combat veterans hate the politicians, because they try to quarterback the situations they really have no idea what's really transpiring on the ground. And, many times in combat, it's the actions of or lack there of, bureaucrats, that get soldiers killed. The fact being, soldiers are willing to die to defend the country, politicians, on the other hand, expect the soldiers to do all the fighting and dying for them.

Maybe real patriots don't like to be around phonies

!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

foolish

I would think anyone that showed up would be deserving of respect. This talk of phony this, phony that has no place in this situation. If someone shows up to support the Bundy's that's patriot enough for me.

Jealous, stupid roosters crowing of childish BS.

Yup, some people show up and sit around the campfire

do nothing, give speeches, ignore doing the right thing, in fact do the wrong things. Respect is earned not automatically given!

Foolish is hero worship!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

you and them are your own worst enemies

solicit people to join the ranks at the Bundy ranch, ask for donations of food, supplies, then call some that show up to join the cause a pack of phonies, incompetents, and a litany of ridicule.

Wow! that should inspire people to join together. What a pack of fools you are. You will all be by yourselves when all this breaks loose because of these antics.

Maybe the smart ones avoid the pack of fools

Did you listen to both YT's all of the way through. It seems like those there know quite a bit more than you. But go ahead and ridicule those trying to warn you

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

your're the one suffering from hero worship

I listened to both. Just a pack of jackasses.

But they were there

And Stewart was in the Hotel in town. At least those you say I worship (I don't, just telling the other side of the story) are real.

You should read the YT comments left by others that were there too.

Here's what I suggest. Go out and speak truth to power, then when you get the beat down, generate all kinds of media attention, and Voila Stewart will come save the day, banners and all!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Ira, your not far from there, take a vid recorder...and go give

us a report! (DP style!)

Next time I am driving through that area I might

Maybe Tuskeege can do it in the mean time.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

"oath" keepers. Yet millions

"oath" keepers. Yet millions of Americans are arrested and thrown in cages every year for merely possessing a plant for medicinal or any other reasons.

Betcha there's lot of them these so called oath keepers are responsible for wrecking their lives.

Hypocrites

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

LOL, I don't think you like

LOL, I don't think you like anybody, do you Tudo? How you manage to drag pot into every conversation?
:)

Keep spreading the love, man.

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are you free when your heroes

are you free when your heroes in government wreck peoples lives and put them in cages for a plant? Huh? I don't like phonies and the "oath" keepers are phonies. The only people the "oath" keepers keep oaths to is the government.

Dr Paul wanted to see it legal. Why don't you? Why don't your beloved "oath keepers"?

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

The BS meter LOVES Tudo, it

The BS meter LOVES Tudo, it goes crazy around you!
:)

I don't want your beloved plant to be illegal And lots of those who keep their oaths agree, people like Ron Paul. Sheriff Mack has spoke against the war on drugs. But you clearly don't care. Just keep smearing and talking crap about everybody if you like. But the drug war has nothing to do with this thread.

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Tudo...

Why are you intent on putting people in groups? Have you asked each and every "oath keeper" their opinion on legalization? Many of the "oath keepers" believe that because anything to do with pot is not an enumerated power that it is up to the States or the people to either make it legal or not.

See What the government is Spending?
http://www.amazon.com/What-Government-Spending-A-Citizen-ebo...

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Then you just

make some shit up, and call people hypocrites?

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

Make what up moron? WHERE to

Make what up? WHERE to you see your beloved police defending your rights?

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

All the chatter of how there is now division between the

various militias and the Oath Keepers does bother me. I'm not there, I don't know if it's true. Based on Oath Keepers' Facebook page, they did leave the ranch, to regroup according to them, to get hotel rooms and eat steak dinners according to others on the scene. I saw a video today posted on twitter saying they are down to about 30 people, begging for boots on the ground, protesters, anyone they can get to come out there to help. Again, I'm not there but so much is being said how can we know what to believe?

God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. – Daniel Webster

..."how can we know what to believe"?

One way is to listen to men like this that were and are there!

I wish more people question their hero's.

I saw the same type of hero worship in the guru business. Somebody writes a book or gives a great speech and everyone flocks to them just because it's easier to fawn all over someone than it is to think.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Thank You...The Truth Hurts, but...

...for many this is just another American Legion BS Organization.

"there to give speeches, fly flags, and ask for donations..."

DONATIONS

And before you all jump to "downvote" this I'll inform you that my "personal experience" with some of these "so-called-saints" will make your head spin!!

Enough of the hero-worship..IRA IS RIGHT!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

TROLL U

The OATHKEEPERS DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A MILITIA!!!!

WE ARE/SHOULD ALL BE OATHKEEPERS. SPLC is also against the OATHKEEPERS so that right there is a reason to support them! Name a pro-Constitution group/organization that the SPLC approves of!!!!!!! Get the hell out of here with this crap. No video, just some guy talking about being able to walk into their HQ and how poor their security is. I've known about Stewart Rhodes and the Oathkeepers for some time now and they do great work. Why bash them? Just because you are some Jonny-come-lately and the Oathkeepers are reticent to talk to you about their security preparations so you disparage them? Your attempt at divide and conquer has failed.

Welcome to Oath Keepers - http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

Our motto is "Not on our watch!"

Have you ever read

Have you ever read this?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/04/david-hathaway/your-2nd-...

I think all of the active duty police officers who are Oath Keepers will be just like the police officers in that short story.

Philosopher...

I find it slightly hypocritical that the article written from a former DEA agent who most likely participated in these same types of violations is now speaking out about them. Yet throughout his post he fails to mention the Utah National Guard unit that refused to disarm the locals during the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. He didn't seem to want to try and educate the departments on what the law means, he just criticizes them. As a former supervisory DEA agent, he has more pull with LEO's and military that the average citizen. He should be using that for education purposes, instead of condemning people he doesn't even know.

See What the government is Spending?
http://www.amazon.com/What-Government-Spending-A-Citizen-ebo...

He explains how even the most

He explains how even the most ardent supporter of the 2nd Amendment and Liberty will -in the end- take part in an act which they claim they will never partake in. He has first hand account of how it works.

He pointed out, that most of the actual officers doing the work are or could be misinformed by their superiors. There is no amount of speaking or training which will enable an officer to discern truth from b s at 2 am; especially with all of the adrenaline in the room.

Don't forget, the Brotherhood. You may claim that the Brotherhood of Officers and Agents doesn't exist, but Serpico has illustrated first hand accounts how even the TSA hate and harass him for turning on his brothers in blue. Hell, he has stated for a while now how he even gets sh!t from foreign LEO's and such for his actions. No officer wants to turn on his 'brother.' Why do you think it is so hard to get a 'good' officer to do anything about the 'bad' officers; unless all officers are 'bad' officers, in which case, then the active duty Oath Keepers must be lying to everybody. You can't tell me that with all of those active duty officers, none of them are aware of some shady sh!t going on in their Department.

So, I'm sorry if it bursts your bubble or hopes, but the active duty Oath Keepers will raid your house -on orders- for your guns; because they will be lied to -if that is needed- that you are a child molester or something.

I can see...

your point about being lied to for raids to happen, so I have no bubble to burst. I have seen many good cops and military members who were hung out to dry by their brothers and sisters in arms and find it despicable. I'm not sure what should happen, but the first steps, IMO, should be to stop talking as if all the people of a group will do exactly the same thing. Collectivism should be discouraged. There are those with integrity and honor out there, and they will call out the bad apples for what they are without a second thought to their own safety or career because it is what is right, legally and morally.

I think education on the most local of levels and a fair amount of accountability is the most important goal for weeding out those bad apples and keep them out so those lies will not be accepted or tolerated.

See What the government is Spending?
http://www.amazon.com/What-Government-Spending-A-Citizen-ebo...

Are you serious? There are

Are you serious?

There are those with integrity and honor out there, and they will call out the bad apples for what they are without a second thought to their own safety or career because it is what is right, legally and morally.

If this is the case, then I suppose we can conclude that there just aren't any 'good' officers left. How many times have we saw the 'good' officer call out the 'bad' officer? How many times have we saw 'bad' officers lie about an incident while their entire department -at the very least- stays quiet, if not defends the officer, and the whole situation ends-up proving that the officer lied due to a dashcam; and even after the fact no one in the department condemns the officer.