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Nader: Libertarians & progressives unite!

Ralph Nader's America: Impeach Obama, decriminalize drugs, libertarians & progressives unite!

"What if Washington politics were no longer defined by partisan gridlock but instead by a cross-party alliance that forged solutions? The alliance would be unstoppable."

What if Washington politics were no longer defined by partisan gridlock but instead by a cross-party alliance that forged solutions? The alliance would be unstoppable.

That’s the premise of the new book “Unstoppable: The Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State” by longtime political activist and five-time presidential candidate Ralph Nader, who contends that such a left-right alliance is not just the stuff of imagination but is actually emerging.

“On Capitol Hill, I'm seeing more and more in Congress, left and right,” Nader told “The Fine Print.” “It was a vote in the House over a year ago over the NSA snooping, it almost broke through … so we're beginning to see formulations that once they click together, they're unstoppable.”

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Wow

Ralph Nader seems like a founding father compared to Obama, Pelosi, and the neocons. Never thought I would think that about Nader.

Crack The Monopoly

I like the way that he looks at the problem. The task is not to promote a specific ideology. This creates a team approach that puts the biggest team in charge.

Instead, the task is to crack the left/right (bi-polar) monopoly.

The left or right gets their power by sticking together on issues that they may or may not like. Building coalitions among the left/right to form various temporary but powerful groups will weaken those monopolies.

Also, having rich people run on third parties (like Ross Perot) will shake things up and weaken the monopolies, regardless of their ideology.

If you agree with this philosophy, that means that you should support endeavors (like voting) that lead toward breaking the monopoly, regardless of ideology.

Gene Louis
http://www.survivaloftheslickest.com/
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

Little boxes

on a hillside little boxes made of ticky tacky little boxes on a hillside and they all look just the same.

There's a green one and a blue on and a pink one and a yellow one and they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.

And the people in the boxes all went to universities and they all got put in boxes and they came out all the same.

There's doctors and lawyers and business executives and they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

I voted for Nader. Used to be a registered Green.

The false left/right paradigm trails us like a mangey rat's tail.

"And on the 8th day God created the libtards and said HFS I need to stop doing this. Obviously this was a huge mistake. I'd repent but there are no other Gods before me. What to do? What to do?"

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Yep, this is the new winning

Yep, this is the new winning coalition. Populists of the left and right versus the elitists. Those wanting a return to the rule of law versus those who support special rights for the connected. Those who support individual rights versus those who support excessive corporate and government power.

Progressives like Nader, socialist leaning though they be, are much more aligned with libertarians than the radical neo and theo cons of the GOP.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

It will happen if we focus on issues vs. ideology

There *are* issues for which people in different parties are aligned.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

How can that be. The

How can that be. The "liberals" "leftists" or what ever you call them, and the so called right do the bidding of the elitists. They worship the elitists. A winning coalition? I call BS on that. Until the neocon right and the leftists get it figured out that the elitists are humping them to death, nothing will change. They will get it figured out once there is an economic implosion and their jobs are gone and the gubbermint is not sending them their hand out. That is when things will change. Winning coalition... that is funny.

There isn't much of a "left" in Congress

Historically, leftists have been anti-authoritarians. Thomas Jefferson was a leftist in his time period. The meaning of that terminology has changed since to usually mean "left" with regard to preferring a particular economic system, such as with communism or socialism. Thomas Jefferson, however, was no commie and had a philosophy incompatible with such an economic system.

The only leftists that exist in our congress at the moment, if you could even call them that, are all authoritarians, and have little in common with the term's historic meaning, even though there are plenty of Americans who are economic leftists, but also anti-authoritarians with regard to social issues and politics, that effectively have NO representation in government at all within the United States. Dennis Kucinich, who is no longer employed by this government, is about as close as they will find to that, and the election process is rigged against 3rd parties and independents like Nader who also has similar views.

Instead, we are left with neoconservatives and neoliberals.

The neocons call themselves conservatives and neolibs call themselves liberals, and pretend to align themselves with ordinary Americans that brand themselves as such, but in reality these politicians are neither conservatives nor liberals. They are authoritarians and corporatists of sorts, can be present with an economic alignment that is left, right, or center, but never without the authoritarianism and cronyism with their very own "public-private" partnerships, monopoly on violence written into statute, and control of our money, all of such politicians which enthusiastically support sovereignty-eroding measures such as NAFTA, FATCA, fiat currency, the continued Federal Reserve corruption, mass electronic surveillance, internationally-shared biometrics, pervasive monitoring of protestors, election rigging, common core(this list is really almost endless if expanded), while extracting our hard-earned money to pay for it all while they earn a RoI on it. These are all issues that the majority of Americans desire one outcome of which is non-authoritarian, and the elites desire another outcome which is authoritarian.

Nancy Pelosi, Paul Ryan, Harry Reid, John McCain, Dianne Fienstein, Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton are all within the groups described in the above paragraph that want to destroy this country. Such sociopaths are the majority of our (s)elected "representatives". They want to strip the bill of rights bare and disassemble our country while simultaneously increasing the size, wealth, and influence of the institutions that they collectively control.

THAT is what Nader wants to form an alliance against. Such an alliance will not be exclusively composted of right-libertarians, minarchists, and/or anarchists. Being distrustful of the state and large institutions in general would be one of the lowest common denominators of members of such an alliance, even though some of those people may desire a state for a number of things. So do minarchists and right-libertarians. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Thomas Massey, Ralph Nader, Justin Amash, and Mike Gravel are examples of influential Americans that want to put a stop to the authoritarians' plans, which carry with them a fairly broad range of views. Plenty of ordinary Americans of opposite political alignments have a lot more in common than is commonly thought; members of Occupy Wall Street got a taste of the police state by being impacted by it, just the same as Cliven Bundy, David Koresh, Edward and Elaine Brown, MLK Jr, Malcom X, William Binney, Cornell West, Adam Kokesh, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and also millions of ordinary people like you and me, whether we are known and influential or not, and of virtually any moral alignment. Too many of us are getting stepped on by these tyrants, some of us are being murdered, others caged, others spied on, while doing nothing to hurt anyone.

It isn't just one political alignment that is being targeted by the authoritarians. It's all of us, no matter our political alignment, if we don't agree with our current batch of psychotic "leaders" and try to do something to change it, we are targeted. Those "leaders" are scared of us. Those "leaders" are building up a global police state and arming its enforcers to control us like inventory. They have more than 2 billion hollow point rounds with set aside in the U.S., and that's just one government department in this one nation. If an alliance to stop this is not formed, then those bullets have our names on them.

ALL of us.

Our authoritarian government has experience with engaging in dirty wars abroad. The American public will just become their most grandiose operation to date.

Instead of us bickering over the smaller issues, that power elite has got to be rid of, with measures put into place to prevent another one from taking its place for as long a time as possible(whether that measure means no government at all, or some government in certain areas; the fact remains that if take away the tools of authoritarians, their methods become compromised).

We have the numbers to get rid of this power elite. Nader knows this. Most of us crave nothing less. The longer and more entrenched that power elite becomes, the greater the violence required to remove it.

Nader thinks it can, for the most part, be removed from power without violence by diverse political groups with distrust of the state as a common denominator aligning for this purpose and overwhelming the existing channels used to control our society. He may be right. He may not. But it's worth a try.

2 billion hollow point rounds are not to be laughed at. Even Naomi Wolf has changed her stance on firearm ownership, and that is not without valid reason.

Something wicked is coming, and natural allies need to stop bickering.

After progress is made, THEN we can work on the lesser, but still important, issues. As an example, the presence of such a power elite makes it impossible to modify our economic system, in any direction. Want to end Keynesian monetary policy and issue sound money? Then that power elite has got to go, for such a monetary policy is incompatible with their goals.

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws our country. ~Thomas Jefferson

yeah foo on the libtards

up with us and down with them. We rule they suck. We are right and that makes everybody else wrong. Conservatives never do anything wrong, we are sanctified by GOD ALMIGHTY. Henry Kissinger is a swell guy.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

I disagree with Nader's premise

Our current government is the result of 100 years of ever increasing "progressivism." Progressives are the status quo and they're on the run ideologically, especially with the youth. Do not let them off the hook by allowing them to claim outsider status. Their new cry of "we're against corporatocracy" is laughable. I''d support coalitions as long as they continue on the path of dismantling the warfare and welfare states without going backwards one step in the name of bi-or-multipartisanship.

Nonsense


Our current government is the result of 100 years of ever increasing "Corporatism", which is totally antithetical to the progressive interests (the workers).

Reactionary, scored-earth, right-wing politics of, for, and by the Rich (i.e., "Reaganomics") are the status-quo, and have been for decades -- which is why it is taboo for politicians to ever hold Wall Street accountable, or hold War Profiteers accountable, or dismantle the CIA, or even simply end the unfair tax-loopholes for the rich. And it is also why the U.S. News Media always restricts the range of public debate between the extreme right-wing, and the so-called "center" (which is also right-wing).

All the policies in this Country are rigged and skewed in favor of the rich, and the rich Corporate interests. And the Democratic Party is complicit in this. They stopped being "progressive" after Robert Kennedy was shot, and George McGovern lost.

As Ron Paul himself said, Obama is not a "socialist". He is a Corporatist.

So get it straight: There is nothing remotely "progressive" about the Status-Quo at all. It has been an Oligarch's dream, and an absolute nightmare for the working-class.

Impossible. Progressives are statists. They are inherently

incapable of being compatible with libertarians and vice versa.

EXACTLY! seeing peoples

EXACTLY! seeing peoples comments on here and even posting something from Nader about this is frustrating to me. You would think that anyone who calls themselves Libertarians would know that there is no
way for this to work.

except that

Ron Paul strongly disagrees with you. Have you been to his channel?

The point of the book and the premise is to "get things done"

You're missing the point: Nader's premise is to "get things done", not to have a revolution. He picks out single issues on which both sides agree need to be changed -- and on which the globalist elites prefer to stay the same -- and urges action.

Once the battle is won, libertarian and progressive can go their merry ways. That's all.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

So are most Republicans and

So are most Republicans and Democrats. Get over it.

Ventura 2012

Of course most Republicans and Democrats are statists.

I never insinuated anything to the contrary.

That fact is also why the LP was created in the first place - becuase neither of the other two parties were compatible with libertarians.

The only thing anyone needs to "get over" is the idea that we need to give a single inch to statists at all in order to "work with them."

Sorry, I don't need to "work with" statists. They need to leave me the hell alone, and when they don't, I'm prepared to defend myself.

Ideologies

don't vote, people vote. I don't have a problem voting together with Conyers to end NSA data sweeps.

Ron Paul was for it

Right, and things have gotten much worse since then

Right, and things have gotten much worse since then, hence the urgency.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

So if unnamed Liberty

So if unnamed Liberty Republicans hung out with Nader and Kucinich, they would be "Forming Coalitions"? As opposed to "Selling Out"?

;)

everyone should hang out with everyone

they might learn something. Liberty Republicans should hang out with the likes of Nader and Kucinich. If they did they would find they agree on a lot of things. And coalitions are about working on things that you agree on. And if they got those things done then boom the country and world would be changed. The neocons would be out of power. Then the libertarians and progressives could go about fighting over the other stuff.

Yes ...

... and Naomi Wolf.

Many progressives would be fine bedfellows (I imagine). ;-)

I'm sorry but I can not unite

I'm sorry but I can not unite with any "progressive". Progressives are socialists. Progressives are statists and authoritarians. There is no way you can "unite" Left and right alliance to dismantle the corporate power structure? Hasn't Nader gotten it figured out yet that the corporations are the ones who finance both left and right?

Gee

How did Glenn Greenwald(progressive) and Snowden(libertarian) manage to accomplish anything?

Ventura 2012

"Getting something accomplished" is key!

"Getting something accomplished" is key! Nader's not asking for a revolution or political party or any sort of fabulous new paradigm shift in consciousness. Just to get two blocs of activists united to accomplish several different projects on which both sides agree.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

my, you've been busy

While we have been dicking around here, you went out and met and got to know every single progressive, and determined each and every one is a lost cause. Kudos to you, shining beacon of individualism.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

ED, Liberty and

ED,
Liberty and authoritarianism are like oil and water, they do not mix. Yes we should educate those caught in their brainwashing. Hopefully they will think for themselves and come over to us. But there is no way you can unite. So what happens when we get rid of the corporations that fund the left? Does the left/progressives expect to take that power that the corporations/fascists were booted from? Never did I imply that they were a lost cause. But I will not join progressive communists to do anything. They are more than welcome to come to us.

thanks

the first good chuckle i've had today.