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Video : Oath Keepers Abandoned Bundy Ranch, Stewart Rhodes Not Allowed Back.

WTF? What happened here? If true this is bull!


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Where would Cliven Bundy and family be today....

if Stewart Rhodes never formed Oath Keepers ?

Not saying Stewart Rhodes is perfect, but..we should be thankful for the creation of Oath Keepers and especially the patriots who came to help.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Militias were there at the

Militias were there at the Ranch before any Oathkeeper ever showed up.

Even when they were there, they(the Oathkeepers) were not in charge of anything. So, I'm not sure what you think the Bundy's should be thankful to the Oathkeepers for. Without the Oathkeepers the Bundy's would be in pretty much the same position that they are in now.

Other Militia's.... do they have a name?

Or were they just fed up cattle ranchers etc, the "unorganized militia".

At least Stewart Rhodes has the fortitude to paint a huge political target on his back and give his group a name.

If all people want do is divide and conquer, then we'll never get anywhere towards freedom.

I don't agree with what he did, but the man has done more good overall.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

The point being is that the

The point being is that the situation was under control before the Oathkeepers got there. Do you understand? Whether Stewart and the Oathkeepers had shown up or not didn't make that big of a difference.

I don't want to divide anything; however, people aren't going to be exaggerating the significance or usefulness of the Oathkeepers at the Bundy Ranch.

Some of you people act as though without the Oathkeepers the whole situation would have turned out differently; it wouldn't have.

First, the Oathkeepers aren't a militia; if you were implying that they were, I just wanted to make sure you knew they weren't.

The Militia which were there before hand was an unorganized militia, they were primarily a few militia members of many different militias which all met down at the Bundy Ranch. Some militia members were a single member from a particular militia. Then there were the non-affiliated militia, individuals or groups of individuals who are not actually part of any organized militia.

Not sure why any of this matters, the US Militias during the Revolutionary war, were unorganized militia, and they can be considered to be directly responsible for the victory of the Patriots.

The Universe is unorganized, and yet it works better than any organized system ever could. I just thought I would put that out there in case you wanted to claim that only organized groups are useful. Lest we not forget all of the guerrilla fighters which are technically unorganized, and yet they are fairly successful.

Missing the point?

The video at the beginning of this Topic is a documented record of either misled or misleading people who are dangerous to themselves and those people they contact as a result of what misleads them.

The video offered by members of the Oath Keepers in response to that video record documenting dangerously misled people offers a documented record worthy of our understanding if we are intending to defend ourselves from dangerously misled people.

If that is not the point, then what is the point?



Why not give them the credit they earn instead?



Maybe, FORMER paratrooper

Maybe, FORMER paratrooper Rhodes should trade his hotel suite and attire for the desert, a pair of jeans, and a rifle. At the least, did Rhodes even visit the Bundy ranch to assess the situation before committing personnel? In the future, I'd suggest that Rhodes limit his involvement over his personnel to an advisory one once he chooses to place his people in combat situations. Without question, Rhodes' erratic actions need serious investigation, but Bundy is part of this problem as well. Does Bundy really grasp the likelihood that his enclave is infiltrated with numerous FBI agents?

Good Points...

...evidently he's more accustomed to being back-stage, back-at-the-hotel, or back at the the "command center".

Maybe the "staging area"?

Your other concern is very possible...and frightening.
Those militia are brave men...they must also realize that.
Perhaps Rhodes didn't convince them by his "words"...or actions.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

that short clip is from once de-listed YT (now back up) video of

this nonsense "Survivor" cast of "Lord of the Flies" biotch circle pow-wow yahoos:

Apr 26 OMA meeting

Jason Patrick
Published on Apr 28, 2014

The coalition of militia meeting Monday, April 28, 2014...

Believe the man at the center is "Ryan Payne," the NOT-US Army Ranger 'ranger,' the self-designated 'Me-Chief, You Follow' who openly talks about "putting one in the back of the blah blah blah."

** Pssst, hint hint: anyone who talks openly like that is either a Fed COINTELPRO, or just your run of the mill insecure over compensatory gear-laden loudmouthed douche.

A previous interview with Ryan, before the whole Oath Keepers vs. PaynePosse hit a crescendo:

Interview with Cliven Bundy's Militia Representative

Southern Nevada Watchdogs
Published on Apr 12, 2014

On our visit to the militia camp we met and interviewed Ryan Payne, adviser and organizer for Operation Mutual Aid, a national organization of militia and patriotic citizens who have taken the stand between tyrants and the oppressed.

Visit http://www.SNWatchdog.org

And, I believe the "Jerry" being referenced in the Oath Keepers rebuttal video below, is Jerry DeLemus from NH: the USMC vet & Tea-O-Con Glenn 'Cry on Cue' Beck's BS-faux manufactured/astroturfed 'patriotic' "912" member (yes, because you should mark an arbitrary date after 9/11 to remind yourself that now you live in the post 9/11 DHS policestate, and you should love it, and hate everyone your govt tells you to hate, and follow-the-leader of the astroturfed, faux-patriot collective).

** should be noted that Stewart Rhodes initially was cordial with Jerry, until whatever transpired behind the scenes:

Bundy Ranch: We Came Risking Never Coming Home Jerry DeLemus

Published on Apr 15, 2014

In this Next News exclusive Stewart Rhodes speaks to Jerry DeLemus, one of the Marine Veterans who traveled over 3000 miles to defend the Bundy Ranch from Federal Tyranny in Nevada.

All of which, take eye off the ball, to a point where Stewart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers had to make a public statement, regarding very un-warrior-ethos-esque back-biotch-talking and what seems like a very prolific rumor-mill:

Oath Keepers Bundy Ranch Debrief

Published on Apr 30, 2014

This is the official statement from the Oath Keepers regarding the Bundy Ranch Situation.

MIRROR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmxvpkOC3kY

Oath Keepers Debrief On Bundy Ranch: What Happened And How
April 30th, 2014

Here is more info from Stewart Rhodes and company on the rift between the alleged “leaders” of the militia down at the Bundy Ranch. This debriefing focuses on just a few men who would sabotage Oath Keepers’ mission at the Bundy Ranch. It explains some sequences and some activities which you’ve not heard about before.

Please understand that Oath Keepers has great faith in the majority of good men and women in the militias represented at the Ranch. We just have problems with people who want to stir up trouble, for such people are most often what we call “Agents Provocateur”. We are not accusing anyone of being an agent provocateur, but we are definitely identifying certain actions and statements by questionable men as being exactly the sort of activity an agent provocateur would display. It is just a few, and we think that the greater majority of militiamen and militiawomen serving there are tops, and you have our support and our gratitude for your sacrifice for the Bundy Ranch mission. Well done. Oath Keepers suggests that you do question your leadership to be sure they are who and what they claim to be. We would especially encourage people to look into any claims about any specialty service in the military that any of the current leaders might claim.

But note please – this debriefing session with five Oath Keepers is important, but this only covers one aspect of our work at the Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada. Oath Keepers marches on, and our reports will continue to dispel the psy-op rumors about our work at the ranch. View this video to find many answers to questions currently flying about the Internet. Try to help people learn the truth by sending this to your lists. Thanks!


Elias Alias, editor


Rhetorical, but nevertheless, moi constantly baffled as to WHY so many seem to stop utilizing their daily 'Um, that douche is trying to sell me a lemon!' a-hole-radar faculty, when watching some of these videos like the Apr 26 OMA meeting.

Seriously, just what is it about the camera that people always are mesmerized by?

Could be Youtube, TV, Film, but the effect always seems to be the same: suspended disbelief, where natural 'laws' of human dynamics and 'people reading'-signals and clues are alchemically forever altered...


For those who may not be familiar, or interested, beyond simply absorbing and assessing multiple sources of vids, articles, direct and indirect testimonies, simple rule of thumb for viewing faraway events from a 3rd party POV: ask yourselves, who are the known, credible, reputable entities in all this.

Is it Stewart Rhodes? The Fmr. US Army Paratrooper, Yale-grad attorney who wrote award winning legal papers challenging the GWB regime's designation of what an "enemy combatant" is, who worked IN Dr. Paul's DC Congressional office, since 2009 a man who single handedly inspired a nationwide movement and network of Const. Oath re-affirmations, coalescing other r3VOL's 9 & 10th Amendment efforts like Sheriff Mack's CSPOA and Michael Boldin's 10th Amendment Center, among those who will be utilized when GovtTerrorist tyranny's rubbers meet the road: the Enforcer Class, aka LE & Military? A dyed in the wool R3VOL? A man who inspired a 90yo+ WWII combat vet, and drives him around, personally, like he was his own grandpa??

Or, Ryan & Jerry? Expensive FLIR unit (alleged) thieves? Loudmouths who couldn't even organize a HS production of McBeth, let alone a national traveling theater company.

Who are the ones who have built trust, credibility, and have publicly trackable and verifiable transparent records??

Think McFly. Think.

Even as 'out there' and improbable as a "DoD/DoJ okayed drone strike on Bundy Ranch," even for the govt terrorists, at this point, especially with media spotlight on the Bundy Ranch, if it were to happen (the Nazis already assumed legal 'right' to do so, regardless of how UnConstitutional and criminal it is) would anyone be surprised??

But how did Stewart address this? He publicly mulled every plausible possibilities: from pure Psy Ops intended to ID the source of their leak, the on-the-ground-militia element's response time/mobilization methods etc, or possibly real, seeing as how 2012 NDAA Sec.1021/1022 is in full effect and faux-'legally' they do in fact consider the CONUS as a "battlefield," in their alchemical legalese speak.


If you actually listen to the above closely, Stewart is NOT raising holy water hell alert: he's calmly communicating what's going on without an intent to 'cry wolf'-alarm, but merely as an update & a note of precaution. And yet, to the substance vs. style-clueless sheeple, that, was spun as fear-mongering, like how MSDNC dolts listening-in would characterize.

Observing some comments here, and on the InterWebs, it's like nobody listens, reads, or researches anymore.o/

Geesh. Twitchy trigger fingers, govt & MSM-spun national headlines. Oh my!

Come on folks: we're old hands at this. Macro, meta-'Big Picture' folks. Yup. Meta.


UPDATE 1: Mike Vanderboegh is O.G. RP patriot movement remnant and a 3%er's 1st hand account: Don't forget to sleep. Jerry is the head of "The Fruits and Nuts Brigade." And, Ryan Payne is most likely a Fed COINTELPRO!

H/T: Stonewall Jackson

"There is no teacher but the enemy." The Bundy Ranch Federally-Sponsored Cluster Coitus: Oath Keepers makes their case. My experiences and thoughts.
My final conclusion is that if Oath Keepers is guilty of anything it is that they were too trusting, too helpful and too eager to make peace with people who obviously had their own agendas, some simple thievery and others in service to their federal masters.

Mike Vanderboegh, aka "Dutchman6"
Thursday, May 1, 2014, 5:57 AM

"There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will ever tell you what the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to destroy and conquer. Only the enemy shows you where you are weak. Only the enemy tells you when he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you." -- Mazer Rackham to Ender Wiggin in Ender's Game.

Oath Keepers makes their case of their actions and reactions at the Bundy Ranch in this video. It is necessarily long, reflecting as it does the testimony of five participants and a discussion of how they came to the decisions that they did. That said, it is worth watching all the way through. Please do that now and then return for my comments.

Smear vs. Stewart Rhodes dispelled:

It is also important to recall that Stewart Rhodes, the Oath Keepers board and I have not always seen eye to eye on some things. You may recall that OK at first committed to support, and then pulled out of, the armed march in Northern Virginia back in 2010. At the time there were those who wanted me to -- no, URGED me to -- loudly denounce Oath Keepers in general and Stewart Rhodes in particular for that decision. I did not not do so. I have long had a policy, dating from my work with the constitutional militia in the 90s, that I do not shoot my own side's wounded. I'm glad I had that policy, for Stewart Rhodes has come a long way since those days as a leader and the Oath Keepers are a valuable force in the fight for liberty. Those who accused Stewart then of being a coward did not see him later risk arrest last year at the hands of the Lexington, MA, police force when he refused their order to stay off the green and told them they would have to arrest him to stop him from administering the oath ceremony there. The Lexington PD, gritted their teeth and blinked, allowing the ceremony to go forward. That was entirely Stewart's doing. No, in my experience, Stewart Rhodes is no coward.

yup. know your friends and foe...and the in-between with a few screws missing:

Between the "scouts out" of the Oath Keepers and the camp containing Jerry's CP was the "lower camp" (actually the first militia presence that the press and public saw) of what was dubbed "The Fruits and Nuts Brigade." These were people who were not trusted by the other more competent formations, or did not themselves trust the other formations. These people were, in the main, excitable, prickly and resentful -- and ever ready to talk to the press. There was literally nothing the other formations could do about, or with, them, so they pretty much did a great job of representing the worst face of the Bundy defense operation and the militia to the press. They were often the source of unfounded rumors and dangerous weapon handling. One night they almost started the next American civil war by getting spooked by the arrival of six Las Vegas metro cars traveling in fast convoy down the public road that led to the Bundys. Some of them arranged themselves in a hasty ambush and were only persuaded not to fire first by the intervention of cooler heads who were staying down there. Like I said, "Fruits and Nuts" -- and a constant source of trouble.

There seems to be a consensus about "Ryan Payne" by known Freedom Movement activists & O.G. militia: Ryan is likely a Fed COINTELPRO

But this business of allying with the same guy -- a likely federal provocateur -- who tried to displace you at your job, and lying by omission and commission about Oath Keepers and the whole drone strike business at a joint presser with the same moke who stuck several knives in your back is inexplicable to me. One of the ploys of a sociopath or a provocateur is to shrink your perceived universe and get you reacting to him and his artificial constructs without reference to outside reality. At such moments you have to be able to have the presence of mind to step back out of the box that he has created for you so you can see the whole picture. It is evident to me that Ryan Payne (or whatever his real name is) is an expert at that trick. On my last day, the moke tried provoking me and I finally blew him off with the comment, "Well, like Grandpa Vanderboegh said, 'Don't try to to teach your Grandma how to suck eggs." He thought I was joking and broke off the engagement. I wasn't joking. This ain't my first rodeo and I ran into pukes like him all the time in the 90s. I am convinced that if there had been more Bob Wrights at the event and fewer wide-eyed newbies a lot of this debacle would not have happened.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Compelling Read, AnCap...

...scathing report, I must say.

So...according to you, this "Jerry" is a "plant", because of his past association with the Glenn Beck 912 "Project"?
Is that "association" still current?
....or was he used and misled by Glenn?...I was also at one time.
There are many DPers who admit to once being neocons, Beck-fans.
Yeah...once....yeah...back then....we've learned much since then.

Ryan Payne, on the other hand, has been there from day one, correct?
He agreed to a meeting to hash out the differences, as per video, but it seems that Mr.Rhodes went back "home".
Payne is not a celebrity, nor an "accomplished" legal-eagle, just someone trying to keep what he initiated, from falling into the hands of "talking heads" who might have ulterior motives (more fame & $).

Did you really expect Rhodes to stroll on in and be declared "in charge", by virtue of his celebrity-status?
And when that didn't happen, did he decide to take his ball and go home?...like a "prima-donna"?
Evidently some Oath-Keepers stayed, not entirely comfortable with the "evacuation order" issued by Rhodes-the-man.
Yes...he puts his pants on one-leg-at-a-time, like you and me.

Consider Jason Patrick's Youtube...he's been there many long days, and hours...NOT in some hotel.
He asks for "more people" to come....not leave.

Seems like a calm, collected individual, considering circumstances.
And finally I must inquire:
Are you an oath-keeper?
Do you think they (Oath-keepers)should be "in charge"?
And WHY?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

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Thank you so much for your great commentary AnCap!

Yours is the most logical and articulate analysis of this whole situation, thank you!!



welcome .o)

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

You can say all you want about this cast of characters but one

thing you can't say is they are quitters!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

From the Bundy Ranch

...verified by a "local" on another post (thanks LittleWing):

"There have been a lot of rumors going around about the militia. We want to clear some things up for you. They are not in town harassing, threatening and scaring the people. They do not have check points all along the public roads. They are good people that are protecting our family on the ranch, and we are grateful that they have been willing to put their lives on hold to be here."-Bundy Ranch

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I signed in just to write this:

I have taken in the evidence, and read your replys, and feel it necessary to add my two cents.

Fellow Liberty lovers;

Who among us is perfect? Who among us does not have things in our past that WILL be used against us by our enemies? Who amongst us isn't truly a lover of liberty?

Just like at the Bundy Ranch amongst the Militias and the OK, we too have moles within our groundwork, patiently undermining the foundations ( if that were possible ), and eating away at the emotional confidence of us all. We THINK we know who some of them might be, but in truth we DO NO YET KNOW. Nor is the definitive knowledge of whom is and whom is not with Liberty at the Bundy Ranch, and even Nationaly a known; time and circumstance will show forth.

There are some basic questions we must ask ourselves, and having satisfied ourselves with the affirmative allow for time and circumstance to play their part.
A.) do I support Liberty ?
B.) in what manner might I contribute to it?
C.) am I able to communicate differences within the community without insults and rancor?
D.) do I sweep MY side of the street and let the other keep watch on his side?
E.) can I be paitient, knowing that time and circumstance will tell all?

There are some basic truths that we must accept as individuals in order to self govern and thusly be WORTHY of a Republic; we know them in our hearts, follow conscience my family, that small still voice WE ALL HAVE.

War is an ugly thing and an act of absolute last resort, revolution in martial arms is a war, EXHAUST yourselves upon every other option first, wearing ourselves to the point of exasperation untill futility has shown its truth as finality. Let no man question by reason of some path not fully beaten down the absolute necessity of a conflict under arms.

If you believe in God, and I've made no small thing of MY FAITH in HIM upon this forum, that serve Him FIRST and He will find a manner by which your faith in His righteousness can utilize you in a manner that is NOT in contradiction to His written will and still avail you to be of good service to the cause of Liberty which is in truth a intent of god for all His creation. If it is not written, nor can it mesh with what is written in Gods word, have no part in it, but search the scriptures, study each major choice in its light, heavens! Even the minor choices ! ! It is no easy thing treading as a pilgrim, knowing that you are free indeed to do all things, but knowing something's are not good for you, to keep ones self within Christ while NOT OFFENDING nor causing harm to others is a mountain only God can reduce to being a human possiblity.

Liberty is not free, and those who oppose it suffer the same costs, for tyranny must be maintained in the like manner. And it's promoters, moles, trolls, and thugs each place their part: but they all MUST in the end reveal themselves, and are discovered if WE each mind the storehouse of Liberty within our own hearts, and amongst our friends of long knowing. The mole cause much damage by its sheer prescense, for many innocent get caught up in the wide casting of ill timed traps, patience is key. But once discovered, you know what to do.

I have nothing further to share, except my gratitude to the DP and my TRUE fellows in Liberty for allowing me a voice amongst the fray.

God bless

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Disinfo Campaign!

All Oath Keepers may be proud that we were part of that moment and that we indeed helped that moment to happen by our activism. So please know this from my fingertips to God’s eye:

Oath Keepers is happily hosted at the Bundy Ranch by the Bundy family. A film/video is en route to Montana right now, riding by car with Stewart, for editing and subsequent posting to our YouTube channel. That video will feature Stewart himself in powerful expressions of the principles on which Cliven Bundy stands, and the direness of the hour in our Republic’s history, and the need to overcome the UN’s Agenda 21 domestic usurpations carried via now-stolen “federal agencies and departments” such as the Forest Service and the BLM. The BLM’s policy is mirrored in Agenda 21, and the entire Bundy Ranch affair traces back to corruption in internationalist-federal deal-making in the name of the People’s government. Chinese management of Nevada land is at the bottom of this, as Alex Jones exposed Senator Reid’s connections with a Chinese firm wanting to operate a solar energy farm on land related to the eco-plans for developing that site, which included moving a population of desert tortoise from that site to the area where Bundy’s cows graze – and that was a problem for EPA as well as the Endangered Species Act, which caused seriously-armed federal force to move in to make sure that the Bundy cattle were removed from the new home of the tortoise – correct me if I’m wrong. This is United Nations covert activity inside the United States and it involves the planet’s largest Communist nation, China. The Bundy connection connects also the relationship of the BLM to the Reid family. It is deep stuff.

And that is why suddenly, as Oath Keepers is getting into gear to ramp up and build upon this defense of the people against the BLM’s tyrannical forces, and as we are making awesome strides, all hell suddenly breaks loose with the militias, who in a surprising twist of fate, have decided to destroy Oath Keepers at the same time we’re hit with a rumored leak about a drone attack being possible. Sheesh. The militias are being unruly about it, and somewhat rude, assuming that the word “rude” includes threatening to shoot Stewart or his officers in the back “for desertion” – if you can believe that. Some of the alleged militia leaders are threatening to accost Oath Keepers’ leadership if leadership step foot on the Bundy Ranch. That is fairly rude, but that has actually been said.

Other accusations bordering on the absurd are being passed around, and it appears to be a concerted or choreographed Internet activity as if designed by anyone wanting to discredit Oath Keepers. There are pieces to our puzzle which are not yet on the table, but it is obvious that somebody wants us shut down and will use what national media coverage exists to smear us to a progressive audience we would not otherwise know existed.

A typical FBI psy-op would plant “leaders” in every militia they could infiltrate. What those sorts of FBI agents or surrogates do is always “handled”. Some of the purported “leaders” of the militia at the ranch are doing exactly what any agent provocateur would do after having infiltrated the militia and claimed a role in leadership. Did you notice the massive ego about who is going to command who? Did you notice the drama in the tendency to speak of Oath Keepers as if we were a militia, which we are not. These militia “leaders” would judge us by battlefield standards even though there has not been a “battlefield” since April 12, 2014? They would shoot us for desertion? Really? That is amazing, and is the kind of bumbling consciousness which a conditioned and programmed special warfare officer or a federal agent would offer if he had to think on his feet of a sudden.

Substitute "Organization" for "Militia"...

...and here's what you get:

A typical FBI psy-op would plant “leaders” in every organization they could infiltrate.

Accusations against militia re: "shooting oathkeepers in the back?

That's dis-info, fear-mongering and was never said.

People in glass houses throwing stones.
Some are real good at cut and paste of "doctrine"....and "planting" it here....disinfo.......indoctrination.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I haven't watched the video yet but I suspect Stewart threw some

patriots under the bus. It's what he does. The more I hear what he's done to others the more I believe it's much more than incompetence.

The Oath Keeper pole smokers refuse to wake up to the fact that their leader is not who he says he is.

I'll watch the Stewart propaganda piece sometime today and comment if I'm not too sick to my stomach

Do you know anything about that client of his that got 30 years after Stewart abandoned him???

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Ira; Do You Mean July4thPatriot?

..his name is Charles Dyer:


I whole-heartedly identify with your angst and righteous anger at the "charlatans" masquerading as "saviours".
God really DOES take care of this sort of trash.
I don't have to lift a finger against them physically....HE has done to them what was necessary.
I could write a book about it.

"Righteous Anger" is a "Valid-Emotional-Response".
Do NOT let ANYBODY tell you any different...it's justifiable.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Why is this man in the video

Why is this man in the video in charge of the operation? Why does he get to threaten to shoot someone in the back? Why does he get to decide who may come back on guard?
If Rhodes got information of an attack by air and advised people to stay put, and most of the people standing guard had been killed, Rhodes would have been faulted too.
Maybe it was time for some people holding guard to take a break. If this man and others choose to stay, that is their choice and maybe they are right to stay but where is their authority to order others to stay?

that guy is also featured in this article

i just posted here.the video and article claims the militia is setting up road blocks and checkpoints and making death threats to the hotels that housed the BLM. the video shows him saying We dont stop cars without probable cause. what gives him the right to stop anyone at all? here's the post http://www.dailypaul.com/317991/local-media-using-waco-like-...

So You Support the SPLC

...The Southern Poverty Law Center.....

...that is neither poor...nor encouraging lawful behavior?

Maybe you actually believed the Media-Frenzy of Propaganda that preceded the slaughter and assassinations at WACO?

Just like what is happening now?...WACO...RUBY RIDGE....

..or are you too young to remember?
...or you willfully choose to "forget".

BTW: the "fella" is named Ryan Payne, Bundy's "militia liason".

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Contention cometh not but from pride...

It seems like there's the minute-man side, the oath-keepers side, and then there's the truth.

Me bets that when you get a lot of "men" together, carrying a bunch of "guns and knives" in "cammo", that they're also going to have a huge dose of "PRIDE" with them too.

I suggest that BOTH sides HUMBLE themselves, admit their part in this mess, and come together against the real FOE. Let me tell you, the FOE ain't US!

The enemy loves this. Self-destruction from within. C'mon boys, take a HUMBLE pill and man up. Resolve the problems or move on. You're doing a GREAT job of causing a HUGE distraction from the main issue, and we're going to lose this ground that was gained, as a result of your childish (both sides) actions.

Restore the Foundations - "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?"

Logic prevails

Divided, we...
You are spot on, PP "come together against the real FOE. Let me tell you, the FOE ain't US!"

I'm no expert but, it seems to me

to be a bad case of testosterone on one side and a bad case of ego on the other. From this woman's point of view, it's more of a guy thing, with a dose of truth lost somewhere in the middle.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I recognize a couple of the names dropped here

and it's not the first time I've heard these same kinds of things about them.

Most of those who think so actually don't and most of those who think sew actually rip.

Why are we going to the matresses over Stewart Rhodes?

If this is all that important, then a Michael Corleone response is better than a Sonny Corleone one. A war between us isn't good for the business of our liberty.

Remember why we are here and never forget it:


“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Why would the Feds need to

Why would the Feds need to drone strike the camp? It sounds like all they have to do is wait for everyone there to start shooting each other. I think the Bundy's better ask a few of those guys to take a hike before they start a shoot-out. I wouldn't hang around in that camp either.

The Oathkeeper's response pretty well summed it up.

Divided, we....

who needs the feds?


...but it seems like Stewart's doing it all by himself.

(the fed's work, that is.)

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!