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Bundy was almost right about Blacks being better off as slaves - read and learn..

If you don't know about indentured servants, you should look into it. It was mostly whites being brought over to America as slaves, bought and sold, and many cases were treated worse than african slaves. Indentured servants were owned as slaves for a fixed amount of time, usually 5-7 years, and then they were given their freedom dues, like a piece of land, a gun, corn etc.

40% of indentured servants did not survive to see their freedom dues. In fact, African slaves were also brought over as indentured servants, and also received land etc after their slave time expired and they became free. They would go on to own land and cattle etc and raise families.

So in a way Bundy was right, except he left out the part of them being happier AFTER being slaves, not during.

There actually is a lot of information about this, but here is one from PBS that is worth reading. Fascinating.

Full article: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr3.html

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We're all indentured servants

Most of us just don't realize it...yet.

this certainly gave Christianity . . .

a black eye.

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Yeah there is lot more to

Yeah there is lot more to that story that could take us other places..

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Irish slaves should did not have it better in America

Indentured servants, included with slaves, only made up a fraction of the total numbers. It was rare. White slaves in today's terms are called indentured servants but really their children and their children were slaves. You inherited being a slave for life.

Not have it better than where? They were starving in Ireland

You may want to consider how the Irish were treated by the English, I don't have the stats, but thousands starved to death and were driven off their land. I believe that is what fostered the conflict between the English and Irish well into the 20th century.

When England abolish slavery

They could no longer snatch the Irish and sell them to whomever, so the next decade they export all their food leaving them to starve to death or leave their home. The previous statement I made was saying that the Irish slaves existed in America and were treated worse than the more expensive black slaves 20-50 pounds vs 5 (Irish). You should watch the videos I posted I really enjoyed learning about uncommon history.

Considering the rabid

Considering the rabid pro-voluntaryist ideology on this site...white indentured servants signed up for it, at the very least. Black slaves did not...and while I have not read the article you posted, I can virtually guarantee that cases where the slaves were free and given land as some sort of contracted, or even charitable, act, were by and large the exception, and not the rule.

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Actually there is history

Actually there is history that blacks did indeed sign up to pay for debt, to forgive criminal sentences, or just with promise of owning land.

Actually that was the rule of getting land cattle etc. Not the exception. The one I posted is just oen site. There is actually quite a lot of information out there about this part of history.

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It was interesting

You should have read it. It addresses the exact statement you made.

I can virtually guarantee that cases where the slaves were free and given land as some sort of contracted, or even charitable, act, were by and large the exception, and not the rule.

By 1650, Anthony was still one of only 400 Africans in the colony among nearly 19,000 settlers. In Johnson's own county, at least 20 African men and women were free, and 13 owned their own homes.

The evolution from class slavery to race slavery was underway. It only took another 50 years or so before it was fully adopted and legitimized all over.

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20/400 is not the exception?

20/400 is not the exception? Plus you are ignoring the whole history from 1650 until the 1860s...I am going to guess that a hellevalot more of slaves were on American soil than 400...

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Well, no

I never said you were wrong, just that your statement was addressed.

That was at least 20 in his county not in the entire colony, and pretty much just about Virginia.

That was an article about THE BEGINNING, pre 1650 or so, not the entire history. Perhaps reading the article would clarify a few things. It wasn't racial as much as it was class based. But preconceived notions are so hard to let go of.

Just open the box and see

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