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It should be noted that this video was in DIRECT response to

this nonsense "Survivor" cast of "Lord of the Flies" biotch circle pow-wow yahoos:

Apr 26 OMA meeting

Jason Patrick
Published on Apr 28, 2014

The coalition of militia meeting Monday, April 28, 2014...

Believe the man at the center is "Ryan Payne," the NOT-US Army Ranger 'ranger,' the self-designated 'Me-Chief, You Follow' who openly talks about "putting one in the back of the blah blah blah."

** Pssst, hint hint: anyone who talks openly like that is either a Fed COINTELPRO, or just your run of the mill insecure over compensatory gear-laden loudmouthed douche.

A previous interview with Ryan, before the whole Oath Keepers vs. PaynePosse hit a crescendo:

Interview with Cliven Bundy's Militia Representative

Southern Nevada Watchdogs
Published on Apr 12, 2014

On our visit to the militia camp we met and interviewed Ryan Payne, adviser and organizer for Operation Mutual Aid, a national organization of militia and patriotic citizens who have taken the stand between tyrants and the oppressed.

Visit http://www.SNWatchdog.org

And, I believe the "Jerry" being referenced in the Oath Keepers rebuttal video, is Jerry DeLemus from NH: the USMC vet & Tea-O-Con Glenn 'Cry on Cue' Beck's BS-faux manufactured/astroturfed 'patriotic' "912" member (yes, because you should mark an arbitrary date after 9/11 to remind yourself that now you live in the post 9/11 DHS policestate, and you should love it, and hate everyone your govt tells you to hate, and follow-the-leader of the astroturfed, faux-patriot collective).

** should be noted that Stewart Rhodes initially was cordial with Jerry, until whatever transpired behind the scenes:

Bundy Ranch: We Came Risking Never Coming Home Jerry DeLemus

Published on Apr 15, 2014

In this Next News exclusive Stewart Rhodes speaks to Jerry DeLemus, one of the Marine Veterans who traveled over 3000 miles to defend the Bundy Ranch from Federal Tyranny in Nevada.

All of which, take eye off the ball, to a point where Stewart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers had to make a public statement, regarding very un-warrior-ethos-esque back-biotch-talking and what seems like a very prolific rumor-mill.

OK's official statement:

Oath Keepers Debrief On Bundy Ranch: What Happened And How
April 30th, 2014

Here is more info from Stewart Rhodes and company on the rift between the alleged “leaders” of the militia down at the Bundy Ranch. This debriefing focuses on just a few men who would sabotage Oath Keepers’ mission at the Bundy Ranch. It explains some sequences and some activities which you’ve not heard about before.

Please understand that Oath Keepers has great faith in the majority of good men and women in the militias represented at the Ranch. We just have problems with people who want to stir up trouble, for such people are most often what we call “Agents Provocateur”. We are not accusing anyone of being an agent provocateur, but we are definitely identifying certain actions and statements by questionable men as being exactly the sort of activity an agent provocateur would display. It is just a few, and we think that the greater majority of militiamen and militiawomen serving there are tops, and you have our support and our gratitude for your sacrifice for the Bundy Ranch mission. Well done. Oath Keepers suggests that you do question your leadership to be sure they are who and what they claim to be. We would especially encourage people to look into any claims about any specialty service in the military that any of the current leaders might claim.

But note please – this debriefing session with five Oath Keepers is important, but this only covers one aspect of our work at the Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada. Oath Keepers marches on, and our reports will continue to dispel the psy-op rumors about our work at the ranch. View this video to find many answers to questions currently flying about the Internet. Try to help people learn the truth by sending this to your lists. Thanks!


Elias Alias, editor


Rhetorical, but nevertheless, moi constantly baffled as to WHY so many seem to stop utilizing their daily 'Um, that douche is trying to sell me a lemon!' a-hole-radar faculty, when watching some of these videos like the Apr 26 OMA meeting.

Seriously, just what is it about the camera that people always are mesmerized by?

Could be Youtube, TV, Film, but the effect always seems to be the same: suspended disbelief, where natural 'laws' of human dynamics and 'people reading'-signals and clues are alchemically forever altered...


For those who may not be familiar, or interested, beyond simply absorbing and assessing multiple sources of vids, articles, direct and indirect testimonies, simple rule of thumb for viewing faraway events from a 3rd party POV: ask yourselves, who are the known, credible, reputable entities in all this.

Is it Stewart Rhodes? The Fmr. US Army Paratrooper, Yale-grad attorney who wrote award winning legal papers challenging the GWB regime's designation of what an "enemy combatant" is, who worked IN Dr. Paul's DC Congressional office, since 2009 a man who single handedly inspired a nationwide movement and network of Const. Oath re-affirmations, coalescing other r3VOL's 9 & 10th Amendment efforts like Sheriff Mack's CSPOA and Michael Boldin's 10th Amendment Center, among those who will be utilized when GovtTerrorist tyranny's rubbers meet the road: the Enforcer Class, aka LE & Military? A dyed in the wool R3VOL? A man who inspired a 90yo+ WWII combat vet, and drives him around, personally, like he was his own grandpa??

Or, Ryan & Jerry? Expensive FLIR unit (alleged) thieves? Loudmouths who couldn't even organize a HS production of McBeth, let alone a national traveling theater company.

Who are the ones who have built trust, credibility, and have publicly trackable and verifiable transparent records??

Think McFly. Think.

Even as 'out there' and improbable as a "DoD/DoJ okayed drone strike on Bundy Ranch," even for the govt terrorists, at this point, especially with media spotlight on the Bundy Ranch, if it were to happen (the Nazis already assumed legal 'right' to do so, regardless of how UnConstitutional and criminal it is) would anyone be surprised??

But how did Stewart address this? He publicly mulled every plausible possibilities: from pure Psy Ops intended to ID the source of their leak, the on-the-ground-militia element's response time/mobilization methods etc, or possibly real, seeing as how 2012 NDAA Sec.1021/1022 is in full effect and faux-'legally' they do in fact consider the CONUS as a "battlefield," in their alchemical legalese speak.


If you actually listen to the above closely, Stewart is NOT raising holy water hell alert: he's calmly communicating what's going on without an intent to 'cry wolf'-alarm, but merely as an update & a note of precaution. And yet, to the substance vs. style-clueless sheeple, that, was spun as fear-mongering, like how MSDNC dolts listening-in would characterize.

Observing some comments here, and on the InterWebs, it's like nobody listens, reads, or researches anymore.o/

Geesh. Twitchy trigger fingers, govt & MSM-spun national headlines. Oh my!

Come on folks: we're old hands at this. Macro, meta-'Big Picture' folks. Yup. Meta.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Welcome to the trailer park called America

2:21 mark
"we are open to gentlemanly conversation but this man [Rhodes] and the people that they obeyed that order have violated my personal creed you don't fucking walk in say your sorry and you're back in brother, you can walk in and say your sorry and you're lucky you're not getting shot in the back"
2:35 mark

Great way to show your gentlemanly conduct, dude in black. I take no sides here in their dispute but that comment negates any possibility of true wisdom to be found here.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Nice! Seems we're coalescing into two groups too.

I'm not sure what to make of some of those who disparage Rhodes, I'm not familiar with any of these accusations that have sprung up but as written above, "ask yourself why you are being told this NOW?"

Suddenly anti-OK points and posts are in a flurry. Including a post that headlined that OK fled and are not allowed back.

ALLOWED BACK BY WHOM? I've been waiting for clarification from the Bundy family but it seems no such clarification is coming. Therefore I am left with one option for the whom: self-appointed "leadership" now puts itself in the position of authority and that is JUST PLAIN BENT.

I'm very bothered by a growing sense of lack of authority on these matters by the very person that summoned them: Mr. Bundy. You don't light a camp fire an walk away from it. You don't absolve yourself of responsibility by avoiding it. If Mr. Bundy EVEN WANTS a permanent armed encampment around his house it's time he said so. And at this point I'd strongly question providing this. What's the strategy going forward? What's the desired outcome? What are the policies that will bring this about?


It's said that the NAP uses violence as a last and final resort. OK where was the first resort in this standoff? Where were the second and third resorts? Why are no other tactics than armed standoff being discussed at this point?

What if they opened the all-new family-friendly Bundy Ranch Camp And RV Park with craft activities for all ages? How about a petting zoo?

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

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THANK YOU S.M, for your regular

reminders of reality and common sense.

I bring it up NOW because it's relevant!

There's no conspiracy behind confirming what others are saying about Rhodes. Plus. Rhodes just abandoned me very recently. He left me high and dry, the POS!

And I don't care if people don't want to hear it. They need to hear it. Put on the damn sun glasses!!!

Oathkeepers is likely compromised, and is certainly headed up by an Oath Breaker!

And fwiw, I'm not the first to say these things. Lots of people have said things about Stewart. Here's a couple I had on my thread about the Bundy situation.


I can find more.

One thing is for sure, Stewart Rhodes rode in on his white horse after militia and others were already there, set up their banners and gave a couple speeches then split for party town.

During the tense stand down Stewart and Sheriff Women and Children Get Shot First were nowhere to be found, only until those on the front line got BLM to back down did they appear for the pats on the back.

I've seen this happen before with Stewart, it's his MO. If you want to donate to Oath Keepers, knock yourself out. Just note, you're then on the list, kind of like registering your guns!

If you still want to blow my warning off, ask Adam Kokesh to turn on that YT where Stewart stabbed him in the back and he cut up his Oath Keepers card. If he'll do it to me, Adam Kokesh, and a couple others that were mentioned here, why do you think he wouldn't do it to YOU?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

petting zoo!

a testament to their rural whimsy:

a real sign posted on their property! xD

Moi, "libertarian brutalist," and call me Ishmael! Muahahahaha:

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

That certainly was worth it. Bundy leadership vaccum confirmed.

In all this I've been asking where are the Bundys?

Noplace it seems. Holed up in their house with their own private security, they left matters outside to run themselves into the ground. No clear authority, no chain of command. I agree with the author that future actions must secure CLEAR AUTHORITY OR IT'S WALK-AWAY TIME.

Just because somebody asks for help doesn't mean you should give it to them immediately. A person fallen through thin ice invites others to peril by calling for help. And a person that asks for help and won't take it isn't worth wasting time on. Further, having first asked for an armed response and then simply neglecting it shows no strategic or tactical thinking at all. Not that I blame Mr. Bundy for not being ex-spec-ops, he's a rancher. But he's a rancher that called for big boys and dangerous toys. Multiple mistakes were made and they all could have been worse. Much worse.

The sleep deprivation point is instructive as I cannot see some of these actions/decisions taken by a clear mind.

And I'm glad to see some FALSE ACCUSATIONS EXPOSED. We'll be looking at those who levied them with new eyes in the future.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

What I don't like

Is him calling someone else there a nut job, without knowing why he is saying that, and without that guys side of the story.

It's been a hot topic for a couple days fonz

This should provide some context:


Basically looks like there's a pissing match between OK and militia taking place in an authority vaccum from the Bundy family.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Agreed !

..and these un-reliable accusations are just a PR Stunt.

Militia asked for people to come stand with them, not to tailgate, or be "Pied-Piper-ed Away" to an off-site hotel.

Rhodes is more concerned with "public perception" and his "funding", of which he has no problem....yet.

"Create a Crisis and Manage It".

I imagine IF there WERE "roadblocks/checkpoints" MSM would be having a field day......so it's simply another smear, by the "Pied-Piper".

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Another article:


No wonder this "news" organization is called Yahoo. Make this man prove people were stopped on highways. Democrats will push the agenda of their leaders, who lie and smear people, while the Republicans sit back and do nothing.

I know this didn't happen because if it had happened, the MSM would have been all over it.

Be Grateful for Stewart Rhodes

Regardless of his shortcomings, if it had not been for Oathkeepers, imagine what would have happened that day.

There would have been no liberation from tyranny! Oathkeepers were instrumental in changing history, Because of Stewart Rhodes.

Forget about the small differences.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

"Create a Crisis...and Manage It"

....one of the "mantras" of Naval Intelligence.
And that's NOT just my "opinion", it comes from a close friend, active military, once in naval intelligence.

Please, if you will, be more specific about "that day" of which you make mention.
The day that the militia was there to "equalize force" against the BLM?

...or the day that the "Drone Crisis/Rumor" was spread?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

So OKs created this situation to manage it?

Danton you are pretty far out on the limb here. Can you explain just how it is you think the OKs created this situation?

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

That's Correct!

...invent a "drone-attack-threat" and use that to:
"Scare the Peasants Back into the Castle"....followed by:

Hi everyone...I'm Stuart Rhodes and since I have ALL the "Intel" I'm taking over!
As far as being "out-on-the-limb"?

I've seen this tactic used firsthand by ex-military to "tighten" their "control" over the "group".
I've seen it also exercised (have you forgotten?) by another power-obsessed "Lawyer" that wanted to "hijack" the 2012 campaign.
Meanwhile you start here with some rant about birds, blue-skies, Democrats, and now want to debate seriously?

My instincts were correct then...I trust them now.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

You're right Smudge,

it's more like FIND a situation and take advantage of it. Yeah, that's more like it!!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

OK if this turns into a beef between you and me?

I'm out. I'm neither OK nor militia. I have no motive to personalize this.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

No intention to personalize

just pointing out that OK's goes from publicity event to publicity event to drum up donations and leave a wake of disaster in its path.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Glad to hear it Ira

I totally don't get how this scenario has provoked animosity among DPers. I get loyalty, I get defending perceived friends but how this has spilled over into here I don't really get. I continue to look forward to your material for what insight it can provide.

I do know there's kind of a tendency to expect patriot lawyers (perhaps like militia) to drop everything and run to our rescue when we're in trouble. Mark J Victor, a prominent AZ patriot lawyer, is a very nice guy but if you don't have money you will have to bring him a cherry constitutional case or guess what? The man has bills to pay just like the rest of us. If he took up all of our defenses he'd be on the streets.

MAY I TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOMMEND AN AZ PATRIOT LAWYER who doesn't work for free either but his competency has never been questioned. Michael Kielsky. Great guy, great lawyer. You don't hear him much on podcasts and you don't see him making speeches (when he's not running for office), he's too busy doing the work.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

I know Michael Kielsky, we've talked a few times

Ernie Hancock referred me to him about 5 years ago. Didn't he head up the Arizona Libertarian Party at one time? I've hired Mark J. Victor for consultations in the past too. (neither were interested in picking up where Stewart left off)

I never expected Stewart to drop everything and tend to me. I was more patient than he deserved. The truth of the matter is he abandoned me. (He repeatedly went dark for months at a time) He ignored court orders, waited until the very last second to do things, and gave me crappy service when he finally did do something.

What he did was willful! And nobody here will ever know what it was like because I also was fighting hard core tyranny in my small town, and then to have Stewart come into town at the height of the media sensation (which he did not create) claiming to have our backs, then ultimately crapping all over us, well it just sux beyond belief!

The Stewie myth is greater than the reality. He gives great talks, but don't ever count on him to do the right thing when it really matters.

Wish I had more time to put my thoughts to paper but I'm in the middle of several projects, and based on the response I get from folks around here when I tell them things that happened to me, I'm really not that motivated to drop everything right away and prove what a turd Stewart is. I'll get around to it eventually, knowing it won't matter!

BTW, stay out of Brazil. It's getting really bad there

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

And we're just talking now?

Do we know each other IRL?

I totally relate that you have better things to do than to fully engage in a pissing match but still, even just for my own sake I wouldn't mind hearing what you have to say in a less...mixed up environment. PM me with your number and I'd be happy to take an hour and hear you out. Confidentiality can be arranged for. I imagine you know some of our lauded AZ gun nut racist phreakshow and I think you'd agree there's some characters nobody wants to invite to the Sunday school picnic.

Danton on the other hand has some people wondering. Where is this vitriol coming from? Like yourself, Danton is a poster of repute so to see this level of personal attacks takes several of us by surprise.

Hope to speak to you soon. Let's clear these clouds.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

what a mess

i only made it about halfway through the video before giving up.
the unprovoked drone strike thing sounded a bit alarmist but i'm guessing it could have been approved for future confrontations if the gov started a shootout and became overwhelmed. so it could happen just not out of the blue though.

if i was running ok i would have declared victory over the gov and left right after bundy started saying stupid stuff about black people.

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I stand with OK.

I stand with OK.


So do I


Do I dare say this?

I totally believe in the Bundy movement without question, ..but seriously, ..was this interview suppose to serve a purpose.

And Wow, ..talk about airing your dirty laundry publicly, ..and all over the internet no less.

No need for the Fed's to infiltrate this group, .. just wait a few days, and they'll air it all to you by way of You-Tube!. Incredible!

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Yes We ALL Dare.

...and I voted you back "up".
more of an infomercial...main purpose is a "CYA".

Keep the money flowing in folks....it won't be mine, unless it's directly to the Bundy Family.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

This sounds more credible than the other threads on this subject

But in the end it doesn't matter. I respect anyone that went out there.

I agree...

...wish I could have participated...still might! If not there then I will support the ranchers in Texas that are having similar problems!

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

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Keep supporting the good

Keep supporting the good guys. There are always some who are sent in to cause trouble.