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Ticked off because people can't see the forest through the trees, typical around here and is very sad.

I just don't understand some of you, many act like they know 100% of what is going on all the time when really they don't have the first clue. It always amazes me to how people talk here about other people that they probably never even met before. Let's talk about Rand Paul for a minute. It has become the eat your own because you think you know more than you actually do. I am going to support Rand and here is why.

# 1 : He is a better speaker than Ron is now. Ron back in the day was sharp but we have to admit he does fumble around sometimes when he gets flustered. Rand is getting peoples attention without turning off the base of the sheeple.

# 2 : Rand is doing things different than Ron and for good reason, it is great to pat yourselves on the back and say hey good job, Ron Paul spoke up against Israel, that's all fine and good but to get elected president that won't work to the majority of republican voters because of all the propaganda they have been fed for 50 plus years. what is the definition of insanity? Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

# 3 : I said this many times, many of you are trying to go to the moon on a bicycle, news flash, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. You are trying to undue what the elite have put in place for over 100 years and you are trying to do it in a matter of months, that is failure in the making.

# 4 : Before you can make real change you need to be on the inside, and many of you are trying to break through a brick and steel wall with a wooden hammer, again recipe for FAILURE.

# 5 : I have seen Rand introduce many good pieces of legislation and done many good things for america, voting NO on every bill when you are out numbered will not accomplish anything.

# 6 : For those of you that think Rand isn't doing it properly and in the best interest of the country then get off your ass and run for office and see how that works out for you. I am tired of the keyboard liberty warriors that think they have a winning strategy but never get off their ass and show us different.

# 7 : I am just a normal guy and I see good and BAD in everyone but I don;t judge them for it the way others do, I refuse to throw the baby out with the bath water, I believe Rand is doing exactly what needs to be done and I support him, if and when he becomes president I will be harsher on some of his actions if they continue, I think you will see a different Rand Paul if he becomes president, Most of you that complain know how the system is rigged but you also complain about the people trying to get their foot in the door their way. Since it is not your way it must be the WRONG way, what kind of nonsense is that?

# 8 : Rand is getting a lot more positive attention than Ron ever did, maybe you should consider that before you judge someones actions. For those that think Ron and Rand don't talk are just plain foolish, how do you know that Ron and Rand haven't had this planned for the last 10 years? Ever think about that? Probably not because it is too hard for some of you to think out side the one sided box you live in.

I have a lot more I could say but I have other things to do, I would hope everyone stops and thinks before the act. We are all supposed to be wanting many of the same things but would rather pick apart the few things we disagree with rather than the pile of things we agree on.

We agree 98% of the time on most issues but we spend 98% of the time bitching complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on which is why nothing ever gets done. Just think about that for a minute, because in most cases it is true.

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You ignore one point... The

You ignore one point... The voting system is corrupt. Until that is fixed nothing else matters. Who here can even start to explain the process? How is the programming certified to be fair? Very few people alive today have been allowed to actually see the code. Until you have trusted people to over see every step in the process how can you trust Romney's machines?

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One hundred and seventy seven years of debt has been accumulated by Congress.

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Beware the cult of "government"...

Excellent post

Whether we like it or not, this is politics. Politics is trying to get the most votes, and going 'balls out' against Israel is simply political suicide, no matter what anyone here believes to be right or wrong. Right and wrong have nothing to do with being elected, and you can't change shit if you don't get elected. Way too many people on here who expect a 'perfect' candidate to win a nationwide popularity contest and it just isn't going to happen. Not in this century anyway.

How many on here have considered

that maybe Rand isn't telling lies to the NeoCons?

Maybe, just maybe, Rand is telling us what we want to hear to gain our support and get him over the top in the election?

Some seem so sure that Rand is playing the politics game to get in the door and then turn the tables on the NeoCons.

It's also possible that he turns his back on us instead.

Look at all the Tea Party turncoats as an example.

It seems the probability of us getting screwed yet again is higher than us getting what we want.

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yeah aerograd

Rand has been sharpening the knife he intended to stick into his father's back for 30 years, not. If Rand is a traitor we will know we are cooked, stick a fork in us, it's over. This is my last ride.

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The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

He kinda did that when

He kinda did that when endorsed Mitt's. I would break my promise to others before I would endorse someone over my father. Sorry just the way I am.

Cart before horse

I am undecided on Rand right now. But, what I do not see is the inspiration we got from Ron. There were songs about "Dr. No" written. "Dr. Paul cured my apathy", etc... Yes, Rand is better at playing politics, but if that is the case and he is elected, what have we won?

If you think his boot-licking/testicle-fondling of fundamentalist Christian nuts on a trip to Israel was fake - do you want me to support a liar, an actor no different than Obama, albeit acting for a different "reason"?

Why would you want me to support someone who performed an actual fillibuster, while a difficult task, to stop something that doesn't exist (domestic drone attacks), instead of sanctions against Russia, money for the MIC, withholding aid to Palestine, etc...? It was pure theatre - Ron would never have done such a thing. It removes trust.

We won 3 out to the first 5 primaries last time - and the GOP power brokers stole them. If Rand is "faking" being a Neocon, they know, and will do the same. I think it is the people that need to change. It is only when 1/2 of the Demoblicans and Republocrats come around that real change will happen. We made a good dent with Ron's campaign. I guess where I am undecided is whether Rand is "Spreading the Message" of Liberty. From what I have seen.....not really. He is endorsing Romney and feeding at the trough on FOX News slamming Obama like the rest instead of speaking truth.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I agree completely. Change

I agree completely. Change will come when people change their minds, not when a certain person becomes president.

It seems like the approach here is to somehow trick people into believing in liberty by telling them what they want to hear. Somehow if they believe Rands neocon rhetoric and he becomes president then rand can stop the rhetoric everyone will be free. It's bizarre. He'd get the JFK treatment and the neocon rhetoric would define his existence.

Here is a letter I wrote rand:

Dear Rand,

I am one of a growing number of people who believe that you could more effectively spread the message of liberty. I hope you will try to understand my reasoning.

Ron once said “Ideas are very important to the shaping of society. In fact, they are more powerful than bombings or armies or guns. And this is because ideas are capable of spreading without limit. They are behind all the choices we make. They can transform the world in a way that governments and armies cannot. Fighting for liberty with ideas makes more sense to me than fighting with guns or politics or political power. With ideas, we can make real change that lasts.” and I believe it is correct.

When you softened rhetoric on politically sensitive issues or endorsing a bottom feeder you compromise the idea of liberty. This is fighting for liberty through political power, not idea's. This is coercive intervention of the truth, and just like coercive government intervention into the economy always hurts it, this coercion hurts the r3LOVution. It's always perceived that the interventions will help, and I'm sure it seems like gaining political power will help the movement, but when it's done by compromising the message it predictable does not. You just need to really trust the message, and let the truth guide your actions and the results will be revolutionary. Just like the prosperity of an unhindered market.

Please consider being larger than politics.

How did being perfectly honest work

for Dr Paul? I didn't, they treated him like a pariah. Whether you like it or not, politics is a game and to win the game you have to appear like them and infiltrate the party. The party has to be taken over from within and they will try to destroy any fully pro liberty candidate. This requires guerrilla warfare because being out in the open will not work. Just ask Justin Amash how it is working for him?

Why didn't he start being

Why didn't he start being dishonest in 2012? He had to endorse Mitt to keep his word and now it doesn't matter?

It worked out amazingly well actually

If Rand was the one starting the campaign in 07 I can GUARANTEE that there never would have been money bombs, the rEVOLution or the dailypaul. He would be looked at like every other politician that has ever been.

Did Ron WIN the presidency, of course not but his honesty is what WON me over. He never tried to sell me on anything or try and agree with my opinions just for my vote. He got my vote in both elections and he has been the ONLY presidential candidate that I have ever voted for.

I never believed in the political system just by watching it go back and forth every 4-8 years in a he said/she said argument that apparently will never end.

Well the democrats did this
Well the republicans did this
Well the independents and libertarians lost the republican OR democrats the election
You threw away your vote
Better vote for this guy else this one will win

If you want to vote for Rand I say do it. More power to you and everyone else who wants to participate in this up coming election cycle. My vote whether I cast it or not isn't going to sway the election and if Rand was honestly ONE VOTE from winning, they would toss a few thousand to the one they really want anyways. They will have the national popular opinion vote coming anyways which will make individual caucuses null and void.

They will focus on the largest cities and just drive bus loads of people to vote for "their" guy in which will trump any other cities or small towns around our country.

We have had a black president, now I see people hoping for a female president. I really don't think the general population really cares WHICH female but just A female.

Everything we complain about right now is considered racist and soon our complaints will be looked at as sexist. This PC crap needs to leave and soon.

If Rand can lie his way into office and really bring the constitution back then more power to him. Every president before him lied their asses off to get to the POTUS chair so why fix what isn't broken I suppose.

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It also exposed a corrupt

It also exposed a corrupt system. When droves of us turned out to vote and they did not count our votes.

You misunderstand

What I was saying is fairly obvious. If Rand is faking as a Neocon/Israel -Firster/Act of War (sanctions) -- Then the real Neocons will see it. They are very smart and very sly. They will dismiss him if they don't trust him (sound familiar?) If Rand isn't faking it then we are screwed either way.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

He is not faking he voted for

He is not faking he voted for sanctions.

excellent post

"If Rand is "faking" being a Neocon, they know, and will do the same."

I've been saying this forever but it always falls on deaf ears. These crooks, liars, and manipulators weren't born yesterday, and if they are tricked they've shown the world they will simply, blatantly (and at the last minute) change the rules.


Many of the People will see it, then we will have the numbers for a revolution.

Relax, Let people do what they will. Patience. We need time too. I feel Its getting close though.

Keep planting seeds no matter what you do.


this is what a lot of my older libertarian friends tell me: don't worry about today or tomorrow or even 2016. think long term and keep spreading the message. makes sense.

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Sherwood Forset???

Is that intentional?


forest which came to mind. I reckon that could be a yes to intentional since I went with it. Perhaps you are hinting at some subtle inference you perceive? I am not aware of one but if you think there is one and I like it, maybe I will adopt it if you tell me what it is.


I'm not that deep of a thinker. I was trying to understand the cartoon and thought maybe the spelling "Forset" meant something.


Spelling "Forset" and not noticing your comment spelling "forset" just means its creator is your average, fallible idiot with dyslexic tendencies. Now that I have received my lesson in humility for the day, I will get that corrected. :)

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Personally, I was hoping for

Personally, I was hoping for a candidate that would inspire me the way Ron Paul did. Judge Andrew Napolintano is pretty much the only one I know of who comes really close.

I like Rand, but it's really not the same. If he runs for POTUS I will vote for him and hope he wins. It can't be easy for him trying to fit into such a corrupt bunch. That's what I think drew so many people to Ron Paul, because he never wavered his principles in order to fit some Republican mold.


Ron's job was to inspire you and wake you up!

I don't believe it was ever about getting the job in his mind. I agree that this may have been Ron's plan all along. Wake up the people and set it up for Rand to play politics and get the job. I am sure he was hoping the people he awoke would see the forest instead of the trees.

Spending three decades in

Spending three decades in Congress with a spotless record of consistent principled integrity pretty much shows to me that his heart and mind was in the right place.

I don't think it was simply to get his son elected or so that Rand could "play politics."

I do believe that RP thought his chances were slim, though, and the ancillary benefit of his campaigns being that it was a great educational experience for the many people he woke up.

If Rand gets elected I will also consider it a win for Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the person who I know in my heart should have been President in my lifetime.


Anyone else catch the irony here?

"I just don't understand some of you, many act like they know 100% of what is going on all the time when really they don't have the first clue. It always amazes me to how people talk here about other people that they probably never even met before."

This i a good post that

This i a good post that explains some things to people.

One nitpick though, its the forest for the trees, not through them.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Noob's who don't see the rabbit hole complex beneath

The forest.

There has been no presidential election in the USA since JFK.

Citizens are given the choice between one of 2 puppets who've sworn allegiance to the goals of the CFR. There's no way someone is going become president and upset the power, unless they sell out completely.

The powers borkers need someone like Rand Paul in the election cycle, because they want you CO-OPTED and to divert your passion into thinking he has a chance to win, so people don't do anything constructive. meanwhile, you wait for another 4 years, and another 4 years.

Its time to think differently, because what the power borkers don't want you to do, is claim your own power. Anytime you give your power away to someone else, they'll always let you down.

You can make a lot more difference by focusing all this energy on your local community, get good leaders elected, make them accountable. Electing one person for president is not going to change zip.

Change is never going to come from Washington, real change will only come from the people. DC's hall of smoke and mirrors has been re-designed to keep the corporations in power, not the people.

Colonial Americans realized this too, that change was never going to come from a pissing match over who the king would appoint as the next governor.


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