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Ticked off because people can't see the forest through the trees, typical around here and is very sad.

I just don't understand some of you, many act like they know 100% of what is going on all the time when really they don't have the first clue. It always amazes me to how people talk here about other people that they probably never even met before. Let's talk about Rand Paul for a minute. It has become the eat your own because you think you know more than you actually do. I am going to support Rand and here is why.

# 1 : He is a better speaker than Ron is now. Ron back in the day was sharp but we have to admit he does fumble around sometimes when he gets flustered. Rand is getting peoples attention without turning off the base of the sheeple.

# 2 : Rand is doing things different than Ron and for good reason, it is great to pat yourselves on the back and say hey good job, Ron Paul spoke up against Israel, that's all fine and good but to get elected president that won't work to the majority of republican voters because of all the propaganda they have been fed for 50 plus years. what is the definition of insanity? Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

# 3 : I said this many times, many of you are trying to go to the moon on a bicycle, news flash, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. You are trying to undue what the elite have put in place for over 100 years and you are trying to do it in a matter of months, that is failure in the making.

# 4 : Before you can make real change you need to be on the inside, and many of you are trying to break through a brick and steel wall with a wooden hammer, again recipe for FAILURE.

# 5 : I have seen Rand introduce many good pieces of legislation and done many good things for america, voting NO on every bill when you are out numbered will not accomplish anything.

# 6 : For those of you that think Rand isn't doing it properly and in the best interest of the country then get off your ass and run for office and see how that works out for you. I am tired of the keyboard liberty warriors that think they have a winning strategy but never get off their ass and show us different.

# 7 : I am just a normal guy and I see good and BAD in everyone but I don;t judge them for it the way others do, I refuse to throw the baby out with the bath water, I believe Rand is doing exactly what needs to be done and I support him, if and when he becomes president I will be harsher on some of his actions if they continue, I think you will see a different Rand Paul if he becomes president, Most of you that complain know how the system is rigged but you also complain about the people trying to get their foot in the door their way. Since it is not your way it must be the WRONG way, what kind of nonsense is that?

# 8 : Rand is getting a lot more positive attention than Ron ever did, maybe you should consider that before you judge someones actions. For those that think Ron and Rand don't talk are just plain foolish, how do you know that Ron and Rand haven't had this planned for the last 10 years? Ever think about that? Probably not because it is too hard for some of you to think out side the one sided box you live in.

I have a lot more I could say but I have other things to do, I would hope everyone stops and thinks before the act. We are all supposed to be wanting many of the same things but would rather pick apart the few things we disagree with rather than the pile of things we agree on.

We agree 98% of the time on most issues but we spend 98% of the time bitching complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on which is why nothing ever gets done. Just think about that for a minute, because in most cases it is true.

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The Closest We Have Come Since JFK Was Reagan...

and he was co-opted by Bush I. The CFR issue is a huge one, one often downplayed, so a bump and a vote up.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

When Rand made his Romney endorsement my brother asked me what I

Thought about it and I said basically it was nothing more than a purely political move that benefited Rand more than Romney because it's a card that can be played again later.

No one decided to support Romney because of it, Ron Paul people wouldn't be swayed, and the rigged election would proceed as planned.

Check check and check.

Defeat the panda-industrial complex

I am dusk icon. anagram me.

and this next election will

and this next election will be rigged so in no way will the federal reserve let all that power and money be voted away...

Check mate!

Just be careful.

If it seems to good to be true, it usually is.

Too much money and power controlling things.

Kinda why I love being a former Ron Paul supporter - the establishment (his peers, the media, general population) was so much against him I knew he was the right candidate to support and that when he said something his integrity would not let him waffle.

A rare thing in politics and why I rarely participate in the charade.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

If you want real change you need to be on the inside

That is true. However the real change will be you. You will change, not the inside.

They kept Goldwater out. Then they had no choice but to let Reagan in. But Reagan didn't change anything. They changed Reagan. You already see it happening with Rand.

Look, if you think voting isn't immoral and you want to vote, sure, vote for Rand. Apparently each generation has to see for itself their hero turned into a ruling class stooge.

Rand will only win if he's been co-opted. This is Reagan all over. People are once again 'fed up' and need a release valve. They need a little hope.

A little hope is effective. A lot of hope is dangerous. Spark is fine, as long as it's contained.

Rand will be contained. But enough people will think they 'did something' and the rest will see that nothing changed and be demoralized.

All that being said, does it matter if you vote for Rand? Do I make posts saying you are immoral for wanting to elect Rand? Or that you shouldn't try? Or that you have your head in the sand for thinking that voting, which is just long range violence, will change anything for the good? That you aren't a real libertarian?


You should do what you think is right, and try to convince others. But don't attack those of us who think differently. That is what is not productive.

I do wish you were right. I wish it was as simple as voting in 'the right guy'. It won't make me feel very good when I have to say I told you so. And for what it is worth, I really do wish I wouldn't have the chance to.

Sadly I won't.

What I do fear is that Rand will be elected as the 'libertarian' candidate and the bad guys will take that opportunity to trigger the dollar collapse, so they can blame it on those crazy extremist 'austerity' libertarians.

they changed reagan

with bullet holes and God knows what else he was threatened with after being shot at twice I believe. It's gonna take a man in the White House who can dodge bullets or take a few and still stand in the end. It may mean his whole family stands with him. The threats go all the way down the family list, the head of the family gets the bullet first.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

you do not already see it

you do not already see it happening with Rand. That is the point. Ron Paul endorsed some neocons in his State. When asked why by the "libertarian purists" he said I can't go against the party all the time. Rand can not cut his nose off despite his face. Stand back and look at the big picture. What is really happening is Rand will co-opt the neocons. As much as we would all love to see Rand stand and tell the neocons to go take a flying fk at a rolling donut, He can't do that.... yet....

I do already see it

Rand used to invoke Bastiat and Mises. He used to talk like a libertarian. Not anymore.

He's already sold out.

Look if you actually agree with his newfound neocon lite agenda, fine. Support him. Or if you even honestly don't think he is already bought and paid for. Fine. Support him.

The only reason I responded to the OP at all was because he's being rude to those of us who don't approve of Rand either individually or who don't approve of voting period as if we're the ones who are confused.

Talk up Rand all you want. I won't interject.

Talk bad about us for standing up for our principles and then yes you'll hear from us.

And again, I would love to be proven wrong. I wish there were heroes in men that will save us from evil. I just don't believe it.

Sure all that money printing

Sure all that money printing and power is going to be decided with a vote! Wake up they own the black boxes and do the counting. We are past the ability to vote our way out of this.

Well, guess I should just shoot myself

...so you won't have to take time out of your day to tell me "I told you so".

In one sentence you say think for yourself, and the next sentence you're saying give up, what's the use, nothing will change, why keep trying.
Live without thinking about living.

I'm glad you got that giant ball of frustration off your chest.

And if the dollar tanks within the next 5 to 10 years, remember, you were there when it happened.

Look the only reason I

Look the only reason I replied was because you were pretending we're the ones who are confused and being snippy about it. We aren't. We came to a conclusion because we have principles that we have thought through.

Like I told the other guy. If you want to talk up Rand, fine. Do so.

I think you are the one who hasn't thought it through. But I won't start a post talking about that. And I won't respond to a pro-Rand post you make.. if you leave us out of it.

And if you really want to convince us about Rand or about voting at all, then your approach was deeply counterproductive.

I'm not lying when I say I wish you were right. I have no antagonism for you. So don't sow antagonism where it doesn't already exist.


You're taking this too personal.

Some folks are still weighing their options through research.
Why draw a line Midship...pitting Port against Starboard?

The post was written as an observation.

I'm not taking this personal

I'm not taking this personal at all.

I'm simply telling rude people on both sides they aren't helping anything, and they are being rude.

If rude is what you were going for, grats, you have achieved success.

And it's been my experience that it's the people being antagonistic that are taking things 'too personal'. Not the people pointing it out.

I've noticed business people tend to be assertive

which, if taken personal is considered rude.
We are a diverse social community.
That's why chilling was suggested.

Can't we treat Rand Paul

like any other person holding/running for office? Why must we jump on the Randwagon because of his last name?

It precisely that you dont treat him like any other

Politician, that is so frustrating!

Rand Paul is the best senator we have had in 100 years.


I think I do.

But I've given up on the idea of a president that can turn things around. I'm not looking for another Ron Paul.

did you write this post about yourself?

"I just don't understand some of you, many act like they know 100% of what is going on all the time when really they don't have the first clue. It always amazes me to how people talk here about other people that they probably never even met before"

I agree with what you are saying about Rand but not with what you have to say about the riders of the arc. I understand what you are trying to get across but the way you did it seems a little too condescending and very hypocritical.

"We agree 98% of the time on most issues but we spend 98% of the time bitching complaining and arguing about the 2% we disagree on which is why nothing ever gets done."

I think this the point of this site. We are not politicians working on the inside to change the game. We are trying to grow and spread the ideas of liberty/common sense. We all bring in different viewpoints and expertise that in turn help us all grow and gain knowledge/wisdom.

proverbs 20:15
There is gold, and an abundance of jewels;
But the lips of knowledge are a more precious thing.

Win, lose or draw...

my goal is to help re-educate others to vote based upon voting records, and NOT the tv, newspaper or stump speeches.

People are going to vote regardless. I would rather they have some idea of what both sides are complicit to, rather than vote their favorite letter.

Liberty is a most difficult pill to swallow. But once done, there is no turning back.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Most people are libertarians and don't know it...but is Rand?

I'm a relative latecomer around here. Through most of my life I didn't pay attention to what is going on in politics and the economy. Several years ago when I started cracking a few books, I realized the libertarian philosophy is what made America great, and what is needed to correct our current trajectory of decline. I realized I have been lied to over the years...about history, economics, politics, and foreign policy. I firmly believe most people on both the political left and right can be convinced that libertarian principles are the medicine that is needed to correct a host of problems. Most politicians won't willingly accept that, though.

Once a person (like myself) becomes convinced that they understand the nature of the problem and the only solution, they will not be convinced to accept political salesmanship (i.e. more lies). Rand Paul deserves a lot of skepticism.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis


The ends do not justify the means.

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt: www.suburbiatosimplicity.com

The neocons pull it on you,

The neocons pull it on you, the democrats communists pull it on you, so you expect to fight clean and come out on the other side?


Principle matters.


That depends on what you're talking about.

The American people being more free certainly justifies Rand lying to some politicians or voting "yes" on a bill when he knows a "no" vote would have no practical meaning.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.


A lying politician can be a good thing. Who knew?

All I wish is to be left alone

Will Rand let me alone ... Will he insist I be governed by someone somewhere ?

Answer this and and that is my answer will I vote for him ...

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

Probably not, though he

Probably not, though he probably wants too and will help us move people in that direction in whatever capacity his office allows. We get there one step at a time. On the other hand, he'll probably bring the military home.

Robomney/Clinbush etc. will not. This isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument. Its a good vs. evil argument.

I like Rand.


I am Ron Paul

Oh noe!

Another one of those "lesser of two evils" salesman. Personally, I've evolved past the need of a government, and judging by world history, the only change you can achieve is by a revolution. So be patient and wait till people start going hungry.



Hey now baby, get into my big black car.
Hey now baby, get into my big black car.
I just want to show you what my politics are.

I'm a political man and I practice what I preach.
I'm a political man and I practice what I preach.
So don't deny me baby, not while you're in my reach.

I support the left, though I'm leaning, leaning to the right.
I support the left, though I'm leaning, leaning to the right.
But I'm not there when it's coming to a fight.

Hey now baby, get into my big black car.
Hey now baby, get into my big black car.
I just want to show you what my politics are.

ps: the other day I read an article that referred to Rand as a Limousine Libertarian and it reminded me of the Cream tune.