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Jesus. This Is A Disappointing Supreme Court Ruling.

Reporting from Washington—

The Supreme Court said Monday that city councils and other public boards are free to open their meetings with an explicitly Christian prayer, ruling that judges may not act as "censors of religious speech" simply because the prayers reflect the views of the dominant faith.

The 5-4 decision rejected the idea that government-sponsored prayers violate the Constitution if officials regularly invite Christian clerics to offer the prayers.


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Down-voted this, with pride.

The decision the court made has nothing to do with establishing a religion via Federal fiat, it is simply re-affirming what the 10th Amendment was meant to defend, namely the right to states to determine their own affairs. Unless the state government goes in and tells these town councils that they can't do this, it's legitimate. If you don't like hearing prayer, Christian or otherwise, buy a pair of ear-plugs and some thicker skin.

Everybody complains that the Daily Paul is turning into a hot-bed of Neo-cons because we aren't raking Rand Paul over the coals for a few episodes of clear triangulation, yet nobody wants to talk about the annoying contingent of Evangelical Anti-theists who have been posting Anti-Christian rubbish in order to sate their own insecurities about their depressing views of the world.

Since none of you guys will listen to a backward, freedom-hating Christian like me, maybe you should listen to a fellow skeptic regarding what is going on here:


“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Downvote may be interpreted as support for the First , as well

Public official or not, one should have the right if asked to pray to pray what one's conscience leads one to. One Downvote from me as well.

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Simply sums it up for me

Thanks for the good words hells_unicorn!

Oh, great video too, nice find. I listened in full. Such sanity is refreshing. The Justicar Rocked!

Odd title... or is it schizophrenic?

You call upon the Lord Jesus, to decry the freedom of religion!?

This is typical atheist schizophrenia actually.

You'd be surprised how many of these people shout "There is no god" to my face and then later talk about this supposedly non-existent deity damning stuff. I used to think it was funny, now I mostly find it depressing, nothing is worse than an idiot who is convinced that he's a genius.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Excrement and Blasphemy...

..are expressions we use quite liberally
for expressing sincere antipathy
for things gone wrong.

Like Eric Cartman, I will occasionally express my heartfelt displeasure with a spontaneous "Gaw Dammit" or "Phuhk Mi Jeezuss". It is as meaningless as most other epithets, brought about by the nexus of irritation and early etching. To wit, it's a reflex action, and hardly a confession of faith.

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That has been and is most likely the case here usually at the moment.


When did libertarians start supporting religion in government? Am I in the wrong movement? Is this the Daily Neo-Con?

We're a bunch of hypocrites if we support this decision. The majority shall not impose its will on the minority. Do you not heed even the warnings of Thomas Jefferson and Dr. Paul?

This is shameful what I see in these comments

Regrettably, the neo-con and

Regrettably, the neo-con and Glen Beck pseudo-Libertarian contingent have been infiltrating for years. They lost their credibility as Bush left the scene and haven't found their footing.

I want absolutely none of their poisonous influence in American politics going forward. The lack of respect for reason in the US has left us on a footing akin to a slightly less violent version of the Taliban.

Religion out of politics. It's a marriage made in hell.

Sounds like Orwell...

All freedoms are equal, but some are more equal than others!

Goes to show the present day falicies found eroding economics also apply to God given rights:

The whole is lost when we look at the 'right' standing alone, failing to consider either the vertical relationships or the horizontal relationships, of any particular freedom!

It is not necessary for me to know the totality of the motives behind the decision, to know that it comports with the principles illustrative of a constitutional republic.

The majority has the right to pick the god(s)

Whoever is the religious majority gets to pick which god(s) our government pays homage to. That's how democracy works, right? Or is it just a matter of which majority got there first?

Would those applauding this

Would those applauding this decision still feel the same if their city council meeting were opened with a Muslim call to prayer, a blood sacrifice to Lucifer or an invocation to the "religion" of atheism?

Do we live in Egypt??

Here i thought this was America, founded by Christians, with the ten commandments posted on government buildings ... so why don't you start a Satanic country and open your meetings with spells .. or are you just an A-hole

So it seems safe to assume

So it seems safe to assume you would feel different and object to your local government opening meetings with a Muslim call for pray to Allah or any deity other then Jesus or Yahweh. Correct?

Founded by Christians? Can

Founded by Christians? Can you give some proof of that? Also have you forgotten the first amendment?

Here's a link for you to chew on.


You might also want to keep in mind that despite their unconventional theological viewpoints, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were communicate member of the Anglican/Episcopal Church. The only significant figure that comes close to your modern skeptical viewpoints was Thomas Paine, who was not a signer of the Declaration of Independence of the U.S. Constitution and was more a fringe ideologue who got mixed up with the French Revolution later on.

And for the record, the 1st Amendment has ZERO to say about what states or city councils do. The Bill of Rights was specifically set up to avoid having the Federal endorsed church similar to the Anglican Church that would command universal conformity, which makes sense considering that all of the non-Episcopal denominations suffered persecution by the English government before settling in America.

No one who lived during that time was a freaky atheistic skeptic who wanted to remove God from every crevice of western civilization, and it is dishonest for you guys to try and rewrite history for your own purposes.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

I don't think any of it is appropriate

Firstly, mixing politics and God is an insult to God. Second, it would be well within their rights to do so. See my post below for more info.

It is called a Constitutional free Republic!

That this court decided such, can mean they still have a modicum of fear for consequences!

White-out Congress and Write-in liberty, and the court will tremble in their boots for fear of impeachment!

Those were the days of sound constitutional adherence. The days when the constitution was dead and fixed in stone, giving life to a free people!

It is entirely the people's doing that the antithesis has arisen in it's place!

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The gov't forcing anyone to do or not do anything is wrong.

Why this SCOTUS decision was not 9-0 is the real problem.

Most Christians seem to

Most Christians seem to believe atheism is a religion.If not believing in a god establishes a religion, how does prayer to the Christian god in a government meeting not establish one?


The last time i checked atheists teach their religion in public schools via Darwinian Evolution and i am forced to pay for this .. and that isn't establishment of religion??

You'd have a point if atheism

You'd have a point if atheism were a religion.

Let me see

Mainly because it isn't forced or endorced by laws; people are just expressing their faith. Also, I believe the first amendment mentions something about "Congress shall make no law" and these prayers do not constitute a law nor are these council members congresss. I could be wrong.

Do I believe that it is appropriate to start off this type of meeting with a prayer given that you represent a diverse group of people; no I do not. Does the constitution forbid it? Nope.

Personally, I don't like mixing God with politics simply because it is an insult to God but that is just my point of view.

Constitutionally the decision is right.

There is no establishment of a religion in this decision. The decision does not say you must join in or convert to the prayer or the religious belief the prayer pertains to.

good on them :)

WOW! The supreme court finally does some thing right :)

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Interesting ad that appeared

Interesting ad that appeared last night near the end of the last episode of "Cosmos": http://ffrf.org

The Freedom From Religion Foundation

It is written

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." --1 Corinthians 1:18

So what? Most people in the

So what? Most people in the US are Christian. If you don't believe in that, simply don't participate. Big deal. It's offensive to be told you can't have a religious right. If you're offended by people exercising their religious right, you need to get a life.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Unless they're spending my money

The prayer in a city or county council chamber consumes finite time, during which electricity or other environmental controls are being consumed, for which I am being billed by virtue of being a hostage/resident of that particular jurisdiction. Opposing public subsidy of superstition may be a relatively small battle in the war against aggression, but it remains a righteous cause natheless.

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