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I once dismissed the value of art.

I often found it to be a waste of time and resources. By focusing exclusively on technical and scientific fields, I realize I've become nothing more than a self-aware machine. Machines are simply tools to be utilized by others for their intentions, not my own.

What a waste of self-awareness!

Over the past few months, I have extensively searched my soul. I have made an effort to better prioritize what I value. Technology should aid us from menial tasks in life so we are free to enjoy the human experience. Art is an appreciation of the experience; a reflection of awareness.

Ancient societies understood the value of art. Through it they achieved higher consciousness, however this knowledge has been lost over the years. Therefore, I plan to return to school in order to study archeology, and perhaps restore purpose to a life once restrained by the bondage of neglected potential.

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egapele's picture

Hey there, good to see you back

This is great

You might have the Stendhal Syndrome

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Oh, that was beautiful, dexterszyd.

I'll be passing it on. Thanks.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Hi mingeem

I share the sentiments of those who have commented below... glad to see you back... hope you're well... good luck with your studies... :)

I'm fascinated with ancient history and archaeology myself. It was great living in NYC, w/so many interesting artifacts at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. I gave up tv altogether, but I used to love History & Discovery channel programs on the subjects (these days you-tube clips). Although it hasn't made its way into textbooks yet, archaeologists are discovering signs of civilizations that go back much further than Mesopotamia. I'm certain there's more than meets the eye to myths!

Well, applying to whatever career one should choose, I wanted to leave you with this quote (by Louis Nizer):

“A man who works with his hands is a laborer. A man who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. A man who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.”


When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I enjoyed that quote.

I also enjoy watching documentaries on archeology and ancient civilizations. It fascinates me how much knowledge the Sumerians and Egyptians had of the physical universe. For instance, a Sumerian tablet was discovered depicting the solar system with all the planets orbiting the sun (plus an extra outermost planet maybe we haven't discovered yet). Western civilization did not know the sun was the center of the solar system until Galileo and did not discover planets beyond Jupiter without the use of the telescope.

It seems modern scientific advances are mere rediscoveries of what the ancients somehow already knew.

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good."
Thomas Paine

Maybe you've also come across

the Dogon. Like what you said regarding the Sumerians, NASA has only now discovered what this "primitive" African tribe has always known and passed down regarding the solar system. Mysterious!

As shown in this short clip, their traditions reflect valuable life lessons, not "just" practical knowledge concerning planetary influences on agriculture. (The only agricultural method I'm aware of that acknowledges the same is biodynamics.)

Dogon Cosmology - NASA baffled by West African people

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Thanks for sharing that!

It would be interesting to live amongst the Dogon. They seem to have a grip the universe.

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good."
Thomas Paine

Thank you for this . . .

thoughtful post.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Beautiful post


DJP333's picture

I love putting music on and staring at art

You have to find the style that's right for you and it will move you like nothing else (I'm a big fan or surrealism). Recently I opened a Pinterest account soley for this purpose, to look at different pieces of artwork in the evening when listening to music (when I feel like taking a break from the DP).

Check out some of the cool pics I've found over there...

Saatchi Online Artist Loui Jover; Drawing, "reflection" #art
elephant/octopus drawing #art #surrealism by joy
Amazing shadow sculpture
Michael Molloy.
Los guantes!!!

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
"Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves."

egapele's picture

Holy bejesus

You just reminded me of when I was a very small kid, no more than 5, staring at the album cover of Elton John's Captain Fantastic for what must have been a pretty long time in a world of my own. Pure mental ecstasy.

Beautiful stuff!

Man those are wonderful!

I'm a big fan of surrealism as well. Dali is who did it for me.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Dali is my fav! He lived a

Dali is my fav! He lived a very interesting life.


Im an artist. Its funny describing art to those that are blind. Once I lead them to see what I am expressing, the lightbulb goes off and I can see that they understand.

Its cool. :)

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

I can relate to this and came

I can relate to this and came to the conclusion of freedom vs machination.

Southern Agrarian

Art and Science

is like peanut butter and jelly, separately they are ok but together they are a blast.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

jrd3820's picture

Glad to see you back around mingeem

Hope you are well. That sounds like a great idea, and very exciting. Do you know where you would like to study yet? Archeology has interested me since I was really young and watched Indiana Jones. I wanted to go to those places, those ancient sites, and just absorb it all. But alas, science was not my strong point in school. Well, good luck with all of it. And like I said, it is nice to see you back around.

I'm seriously considering the

I'm seriously considering the University of Colorado.

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good."
Thomas Paine

"The aim of art is to represent not the outward appearance of

things, but their inward significance."


I saw the best minds of my generation, destroyed by pandas starving hysterical naked

-Allen Ginsberg

There you are!

Good for you! That sounds like a fascinating topic. What civilization are you inspired by?

I live just north of Chaco

I live just north of Chaco Canyon, so I have interest in the Hopi and Pueblo civilizations. What interests me the most is pre-dynastic Egypt. It seems most of what has been studied about this culture has been through the existing world view constraints.

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good."
Thomas Paine

Are you talking about

the curious links between the Egyptians and the early Americans? I have heard the theory that the pyramids might have been used to create energy.

Have you heard of Forrest Fenn?

It kind of boggles the mind

It kind of boggles the mind that the great pyramids are considered tombs. That theory seems to be lacking evidence. There must have been a practical use(power plant) for such a great investment of time and labor to build them (maybe they had extra-terrestrial help). I have heard theories that humans once had up to 360 senses compared to the 5 we have today. The pyramids could have powered a global grid as many ancient sites from the Mayan civilization and Easter Island are located on the same "lay lines". It could be that humans once used this grid to communicate across great distances.

On Forrest Fenn, he started quite a treasure hunt a few years back. I don't believe anyone has found it yet.

"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good."
Thomas Paine

So you've heard that too.

It seems like there was something a whole lot more sophisticated than sheer slave power being used to build those pyramids. Maybe they ARE the ET's. That has crossed my mind. I'm trying to reconcile that idea with Christian belief. There is a lot of "weird" stuff in the Old Testament that usually gets written off as symbolic. God created angels and men. So I suspect the ET's are one or the other.

I thought of Forrest Fenn because he is an art lover/dealer and an archeologist- the two things that you mentioned. He was also in the military and lives in NM.

I liked that


It's funny, I'm the exact opposite. I couldn't focus on a a damn thing that didn't pique my interest in grade school and most of highschool But I was always one of the best artists in class all throughout grade school, highschool and (sometimes) Art school. Definitely type B personality, but i have a hell of a time learning new sequences of tasks that type A personalities would breeze through. The abstract is no problem, but that usually doesn't pay the bills lol. Meditation helps.

Best of luck to you.

"I am Troll fighter, number one"



very cool, good for you

I studied geology but have always had an interest in archaeology, anthropology, and history as well. In my mind they all kind of work together. Good luck with your studies!

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

-Thomas Jefferson

machines cannot logically be self-aware

Therefore we are not machines.

I may change my mind if you can demonstrate for me an algorithm that can run a simulation of itself.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Plenty of latter in TCS (theoretical comp. science)...

It starts with a program that can print it's own complete text and goes from there! (Try writing one, it's fun!)

Machines can simulate themselves, OK... That's what makes them machines! ;)


Paul B.

that's not a simulation of itself

That's making a copy of itself. The algorithm prints a copy of its instructions. The algorithm does not generate a model of its own hardware which then runs the instructions to print a copy of its instructions. Do you see the difference?

Here is an interesting discussion on this subject:


“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Thanks for the link, but...

If we have to define a "machine" (which has been done way more than once!), it does not have to include physical substrate on which it is "running"...

Machines should be viewed (IMHO!) as just *things* outside of reality, as approximations... I can see how it works, and I can see how it is irrelevant to a question of *us* *here* -- or not?

Thanks again!

Paul B.

P. S. And Scott A. is a cool dude, but I have my very personal reasons to become somewhat aggressive about him, NAP notwithstanding...