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Pope Speaks on "The Injustices of Capitalism"...Is the Pope A Marxist?

Pope Francis recently met with the corrupt, rotted U.N. Secretary General, and agreed with him that we should redistribute more wealth and then he spoke out on the "injustices of capitalism."

If the pope dislikes capitalism, then I wonder what form of economic system he approves of? Communism? Socialism? Fascism?

Saying capitalism is injust is very dangerous because it implies other systems like communism are better.

In communism the government takes everything from everyone and redistributes it equally (supposedly).

But in communism, those who administer the redistribution of what the people have earned (which is the government), keeps much (or most of it) and lives high on the hog, while the rest of the populace stands in bread lines and lives in drab government-issued apartments such as Russia has done for decades.

I think it's very dangerous when a religious leader delves into economics.

I would rather the pope had simply said that we should help our brethren in need as best we can on an INDIVIDUAL basis - and through charity - not through government force and programs which waste most of their citizens' money anyway.

To say that capitalism is evil is wrong in my view, because I believe capitalism is in fact the ONLY moral form of economic system and it was what the United States was built on.

And wait a minute...I'm Catholic, so you can't call me a Catholic-basher just because I'm strongly disagreeing with the pope on this.

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OK...I am a bit of a "scanner" when I read

But I cannot find the word "capitalism" in this speech anywhere. Of course, that doesn't stop FOX news and AOL and the western media from using it. Just another way to get people in a tizzy.

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Mr Secretary General,

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am pleased to welcome you, Mr Secretary-General and the leading executive officers of the Agencies, Funds and Programmes of the United Nations and specialized Organizations, as you gather in Rome for the biannual meeting for strategic coordination of the United Nations System Chief Executives Board.

It is significant that today’s meeting takes place shortly after the solemn canonization of my predecessors, Popes John XXIII and John Paul II. The new saints inspire us by their passionate concern for integral human development and for understanding between peoples. This concern was concretely expressed by the numerous visits of John Paul II to the Organizations headquartered in Rome and by his travels to New York, Geneva, Vienna, Nairobi and The Hague.

I thank you, Mr Secretary-General, for your cordial words of introduction. I thank all of you, who are primarily responsible for the international system, for the great efforts being made to ensure world peace, respect for human dignity, the protection of persons, especially the poorest and most vulnerable, and harmonious economic and social development.

The results of the Millennium Development Goals, especially in terms of education and the decrease in extreme poverty, confirm the value of the work of coordination carried out by this Chief Executives Board. At the same time, it must be kept in mind that the world’s peoples deserve and expect even greater results.

An essential principle of management is the refusal to be satisfied with current results and to press forward, in the conviction that those gains are only consolidated by working to achieve even more. In the case of global political and economic organization, much more needs to be achieved, since an important part of humanity does not share in the benefits of progress and is in fact relegated to the status of second-class citizens. Future Sustainable Development Goals must therefore be formulated and carried out with generosity and courage, so that they can have a real impact on the structural causes of poverty and hunger, attain more substantial results in protecting the environment, ensure dignified and productive labor for all, and provide appropriate protection for the family, which is an essential element in sustainable human and social development. Specifically, this involves challenging all forms of injustice and resisting the "economy of exclusion", the "throwaway culture" and the "culture of death" which nowadays sadly risk becoming passively accepted.

With this in mind, I would like to remind you, as representatives of the chief agencies of global cooperation, of an incident which took place two thousand years ago and is recounted in the Gospel of Saint Luke (19:1-10). It is the encounter between Jesus Christ and the rich tax collector Zacchaeus, as a result of which Zacchaeus made a radical decision of sharing and justice, because his conscience had been awakened by the gaze of Jesus. This same spirit should be at the beginning and end of all political and economic activity. The gaze, often silent, of that part of the human family which is cast off, left behind, ought to awaken the conscience of political and economic agents and lead them to generous and courageous decisions with immediate results, like the decision of Zacchaeus. Does this spirit of solidarity and sharing guide all our thoughts and actions?

Today, in concrete terms, an awareness of the dignity of each of our brothers and sisters whose life is sacred and inviolable from conception to natural death must lead us to share with complete freedom the goods which God’s providence has placed in our hands, material goods but also intellectual and spiritual ones, and to give back generously and lavishly whatever we may have earlier unjustly refused to others.

The account of Jesus and Zacchaeus teaches us that above and beyond economic and social systems and theories, there will always be a need to promote generous, effective and practical openness to the needs of others. Jesus does not ask Zacchaeus to change jobs nor does he condemn his financial activity; he simply inspires him to put everything, freely yet immediately and indisputably, at the service of others. Consequently, I do not hesitate to state, as did my predecessors (cf. JOHN PAUL II, Sollicitudo Rei Socialis, 42-43; Centesimus Annus, 43; BENEDICT XVI, Caritas in Veritate, 6; 24-40), that equitable economic and social progress can only be attained by joining scientific and technical abilities with an unfailing commitment to solidarity accompanied by a generous and disinterested spirit of gratuitousness at every level. A contribution to this equitable development will also be made both by international activity aimed at the integral human development of all the world’s peoples and by the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society.

Consequently, while encouraging you in your continuing efforts to coordinate the activity of the international agencies, which represents a service to all humanity, I urge you to work together in promoting a true, worldwide ethical mobilization which, beyond all differences of religious or political convictions, will spread and put into practice a shared ideal of fraternity and solidarity, especially with regard to the poorest and those most excluded.

Invoking divine guidance on the work of your Board, I also implore God’s special blessing for you, Mr Secretary-General, for the Presidents, Directors and Secretaries General present among us, and for all the personnel of the United Nations and the other international Agencies and Bodies, and their respective families.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-calls-on-u...

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

So I think free markets are

So I think free markets are the best option, but I am sure when I state the following there are some that will not understand the statements, and accuse me of being a marxist.

Free markets are preferable because there is no perfectly fair system in an unfair world, and less people will be screwed over by a free market sytem. A free market system will screw over some people though, like people that posses little or no talent, have mental handicaps, have no hereditary wealth, and are physically very ugly, are at a disadvantage due to how they were born. In a free market system you will have the haves and the have not's.

Free markets are preferable because in a communist/socialist system you will have widespread poverty, and a lack of technological inovation. Free markets are realistic about human greed and harness that greed, which has beneficial effects for all mankind. If I had to choose between a car built in a capitalist nation and one built in a communist country, there is no thinking required.

I do take issue with those that make free markets into some pure utopian system that benefits all, when it is not perfect. It is the far better choice, but not a perfect one. Communists in disguise as democrats like to use the phrase "leveling the playing field" as justification for their own selfish interests of installing communism, but there really are unlevel playing fields. The world will never be fair, and I accept that, but everyone should be honest and admit that free markets are a game of winners and losers, just far less losers than communism.

Now I expect that someone will try to win me over to free markets when I am already won over. It will not be enough that I am for an imperfect system, I have to believe it is without flaw.

That is pretty much

how I feel about it.

The Bible Speaks Of The "FALSE PROPHET"

The Universal Church (Catholic Church) is the 'False Prophet'. It gives the 'BEAST' (World Political System)legitimacy..

Beware of organized religion speaking of things that are not Christian.

The Catholic Church has always set the tone for upright living. In recent years it has played the Harlot.

I'm a registered Catholic. I was baptized, received Holy Communion, and Confirmation in the church. I am no longer in agreement with many of our appointed Popes and their bizarre beliefs and philosophies.

I can tell you that the late Father Malachi Martin had said before he was thrown out of a window to his death in New York City that, "The Smoke of hell has entered the sanctuary of the Vatican." Meaning that demonic events were being performed (Murder cover-ups) and that evil was ever present...

WOW!!

Wow, emalvini! Not only are you my friend, you

are also a fellow traveler! I've posted a few things about Fr. Martin and the Jesuits and I've been watching this Pope's actions as a result of what I've learned over the years.

You may be very interested in this post http://www.dailypaul.com/299323/frightening-clues-to-the-thi... I made a while back. As a traditional Catholic, I believe it holds the key to the future and we are witnessing a lot of it in the present. Fr. Martin knew more than he could tell us but, he sure did leave a lot of clues.

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―Emmet Fox

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Thank you so much for the link my good friend in Liberty...

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Caio bella...

Let's get real

There is NO CAPITALISM in the world as we know it today. People are getting their panties in a wad over defending something that doesn't exist. Just as the poor soldiers that think they are "fighting for our freedoms" are out there getting killed for "freedoms" that no longer exists.... so, all of the Fox News junkies are upset and defending a "capitalist" system that no longer exists. Just more illusion used to divide and conquer the slaves.

Frankly in our lifetimes probably NONE of us has seen true free-market capitalism. What has been running the entire world for the last hundred years (minimum) has been corporatism and government/corporate partnerships. This has been even MORE true in the rest of the world, but the US is really no exception.

So... if the Pope used the WORD "Capitalism" (and I would have to read the speech to see), it is corporatism and government corruption that he is talking about. When looking at it like that (which is the way most of US see the world every day), then he is merely pointing out the glaring disparity between the elites and the slaves that EXISTS throughout the world.

Liberals hear what they want.... as do "Conservatives". But the essence of what the Pope said is what we talk about every day here on DP.

Hope that helps, Pawnstorm

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

You speak for the Pope?

I mean, you're right capitalism is the last word I would use to describe our economic system (I would use fascist) but the Pope did say "capitalism." To assume he means something else is, at a minimum, presumptuous.

I think he is addressing

the world AS IT EXISTS today. And the world as it exists today does not use "capitalism" as an economic model ANYWHERE. So, even if he used the word incorrectly, he is addressing what exists, which, as we agree, is corporatism/fascism.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

Pure speculation

Ok. You assume benevolence, I guess. Let me speculate then. What if he knows exactly what word he is using, capitalism, knows it's application here is incorrect but continues to purposely use it incorrectly and loudly in order to demonize the concept in the minds of his many "followers" who may not know the difference?" Is he being stupid or a deceiver? BTW, I haven't seen any corrections issued by the Vatican.

Not sure a correction is needed

http://www.dailypaul.com/318609#comment-3405033

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

?

When I click on your link it takes me to the top of the page. BTW, I don't expect a correction. You have your speculation and I have mine.

I'm sorry, I was responding to your statement

....."Let me speculate then. What if he knows exactly what word he is using, CAPITALISM, knows it's application here is incorrect but continues to purposely use it incorrectly and loudly in order to demonize the concept in the minds of his many "followers" who may not know the difference?" Is he being stupid or a deceiver? BTW, I haven't seen any corrections issued by the Vatican|"

You see.... If the word "capitalism" wasn't used (which it wasn't)... then continuing this discussion is fruitless. Kind of like having a disagreement over what it would mean IF so and so said such and such. It he didn't SAY that, then what are we doing?

To say "you have our speculation, and I have mine" at this point must imply that you are referring to something ELSE. And frankly, that is matter for another post.

"IF so and so said such and such - then it MIGHT mean - such and such" - isn't really worthy of the DP.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

To answer the question: "If the pope dislikes capitalism, then I

wonder what form of economic system he approves of? Communism? Socialism? Fascism? "

The answer has to be Fascism. He, and every other major figure in the world.

But what would you expect from someone selected based upon Politically Correct criteria.

Sad part is, he bashes captitalism when the capitalist system has not been in use for a very long time. I do hope that he does come to learn, and speak, truth.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
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OK, Pope, you first!

The Vatican has immeasurable wealth - start divvying it up.

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Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs