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Ron Paul was not principled in self defense...

Be honest...

did Ron Paul really stand his ground like an enraged patriot,
or did he cower to the black suits who cheated the election from him?

Be honest...

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He and his supporters could

He and his supporters could have spoken out more about voter fraud, corrupt media, and the convention debacle. He may have underestimated just how low his enemies were willing to sink to suckle the teat of the beast.

But about myself I will not boast, except as it concerns my weaknesses (2 Cor 12:5). Let the unbelievers seek praise from each other; I wish that which is from God alone.

I appreciate your emotions...

I am past getting upset about what I say or have said. I am with you all and am sorry if most of you took this thread personally or the wrong way. I meant no disrespect. I was just bringing up a question I had as well. When I say enraged, I actually meant internally so, not flying off the handle b-s%^t crazy external rage.

I'm sorry some of you felt the need to take out your rage on me and resort to name-calling and ridicule. I'm sorry.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

I think he was more concerned

I think he was more concerned with spreading the message of freedom than to get elected. In that regard, he won. Different people have different purposes. Not everyone is meant to be a warrior. Some are messengers.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

Now it's,


I am Ron Paul

Ron Paul is just plain principled...

and by handling the crap that was thrown at him with grace & dignity, he showed how absolutely principled he is...not in just words, but in practice.

"Grace and dignity" is the opposite of Revolution


We needed an Andrew Jackson. Someone who would fight to the finish.

Not someone who would terminate his own Campaign (cynically), and just walk away from Stadium-sized crowds, 5-whole months before delegate battles were ever decided.

When you are faced with the desperate need for Revolution, you have to rock the boat. There is no alternative, and mere "grace and dignity" is not ever going to help bring about such a movement. What he did was nothing other than a big cowardly "never mind" retreat from the movement right as it was starting to gain momentum in delegate battles.

Whether Ron Paul would have won is besides the point here. He could have taken his stadium-sized crowds right to the Convention site (outside if not inside) and showed these huge numbers, and the size of the movement, to the entire World -- and forced the News Media to then address it. He could have aggressively made the case that Mitt Romney was corrupt, and that his record showed he was unfit to protect the U.S. Constitution.

You cannot lead, by turtling up when the going gets tough.

The sad truth is that Ron Paul got scared that he might actually win some delegate battles there, so he quickly dropped out preemptively before that happened, and cut his own supporters knees off -- in order to hand Mitt Romney a clear and uncontested path to the nomination -- so he could just go back to giving "safe talks" for college kids, and sell his books. He was just taking our money, with no real intention of ever contesting the Nomination.

That isn't real leadership.
This Country needs an Andrew Jackson, not a book seller.

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You are not being very realistic or fair.

Enough people first need to be awake. No one can do this alone. There were just not enough awake people to win,... peacefully or violently. More importantly, Ron Paul would have never advocated violent change even if he had the numbers. Mao, Castro, and Lenin had the numbers, and they led the blood-baths that made change, communist change. Ron Paul would have never done the same.

No other candidate ever had stadium sized crowds

I would argue that enough people were awake. This is evidenced by stadium-sized crowds .... which no other candidate on the GOP side could ever produce.

I am not advocating "violent change", but I don't think it was unreasonable for Ron Paul to simply go forward and continue his Campaign at a 100%-level, and bring all of his supporters out into full public view at the Convention (or right outside the building) --- and force real exposure of the issues involved, and aggressively maximize his delegate totals.

You can never lead anything by voluntary and early retreat.
That is my criticism here.

The Poison Pen?

Multiple choice question for the Pen:

Are you the following:

3)Sh*t disturber
4)All the above

Only -24?

"Be honest...

did Ron Paul really stand his ground like an enraged patriot,
or did he cower to the black suits who cheated the election from him?

Be honest..."

I am glad to find the fire in commentary regarding this post. I am glad those who commented were able to relive if only for a moment that fire inside that was the Ron Paul/The People's Revolution!

The thread was a question, which only a few actually answered. For those who resorted to attacking my poetry, prose and other shared threads about family and deep, personal issues, I hope it satisfied your moment of anger. An anger not typical of Ron Paul - THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE POST!

Ron Paul stood his ground like an enraged patriot and for a long time the nation, the world laughed at him. What is the world doing now?

Peace to you all...this post was meant to give you all that feeling of fire you had when the political stage was crumbled beneath the feet of a principled and tireless man.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

What are you talking about?

You think we're retarded?

I am Ron Paul

the fire is good, but rage is an imposter, a burnout of sorts

did Ron Paul really stand his ground like an enraged patriot,
or did he cower to the black suits who cheated the election from him?

You present choices like a Fabian.

You don't exactly present an "either/or" there. The answer is neither. He did not cower, nor did he become enraged [like perhaps an Alex Jones type]. However, he did stand his ground.

Ron Paul stood his ground like an enraged patriot and for a long time the nation, the world laughed at him.

I disagree. I've always seen him as a patriot, but I never seen him enraged. I've seen him terse on the brink of anger but never giving in to that temptation. He's kept his head and heart in tact through the years, and this to a large part is why many folks like me regard him as such an inspiration.

[from a comment down the page]...
rage ...it is a response to your character being defamed

"Rage" is NEVER a response but a reaction. Ron Paul is skilled at not reacting but responding to those about him. Anyone stepping into rage sacrifices their soundness of mind, their heart, and thus their capacity to be responsible whatsoever. RP has remained a beacon of liberty as he has not become hostage to others resulting from hastily contrived reactionary behavior. He is the tortoise. He's kept matters impersonal, on a higher spiritual level, and himself responsibly fit to perpetuate true liberty as such.


Trying to backtrack and say it was all about trying to get us 'fired up' = bullshit.

Ps poetry has rhyme and meter. What you do is prose and pretty weak at that (keep trying though)


Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

"Ps poetry has rhyme and meter."

Yeah, if your a student of the system (college)...

Poetry is not bound and I'm not trying to impress you.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

The content of my thread is a question.

Is there something to be backtracked on when the original content was straightforward?

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Next time try using a question mark in the title instead of

Making a blanket statement and an ignorant one at that.

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

next time...

try reading the whole post in order to gather the question therein...

and if you want to spend time affirming the rightness of the/your opposition to my thread, please spend it trying to understand that I have always advocated for Ron Paul...ALWAYS!

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Although "The Pen" is Mightier Than "The Sword"...

...as it has been said....
....it must also be noted that;

"The Paul" is greater than "The Pen"!!
(Daily Paul, that is)

All kidding aside, you've managed to push a few people's "buttons".

You may want to consider responding to your detractors, or simply ignore them......creating further debate as to whether your "exercise" more successfully proves that a "non-response reaction/action" can be more powerful?

Isn't Obama known to rule by "The Pen"?...LOL!
If Granger is watching...she must be chuckling.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

He trimmed down the republican tree

The republicans are still smarting about Ron Paul. Even my then 83 year life long republican dad voted for Ron Paul in the 2012 primary. When time to vote in primary for Romney. He did not cast a vote for Romney or Obama . Said both were the same .Both talked out both sides of there mouth. Both party's have become socialists. My opinion. Might as well vote commie lobby party next time. At least there open about it.

Money talks and dogs bark

Totally, he should have

Totally, he should have gotten a machine gun and mowed them all down!


Honestly though, what sort of self defense are you advocating he should have engaged in? Had he put up protest and got mad about it, he'd have been portrayed on the news as being a ranting lunatic to the idiot masses who have no idea that election fraud occurred. Still shots or choice edits of him ranting would have been everywhere and the news headlines would be "Crazed" "Whining" etc.

So maybe he should have sued and gone through the always just American court system? Then he could have spent a fortune for what? For the .000000001% chance that a judge would have actually ruled against the system and admitted there was election fraud? Here's what would have happened. All the villians would have been found not guilty, and the government propaganda wing would have plastered all over their shitty news that Ron Paul was a whiner/lunatic/sore looser, etc.

Option 3: Get a machine gun and blow them all away until he goes down in a blaze of glory. Would that have made you happy?

Honestly starting a radio show to keep spreading the message is not only the best, but the ONLY form of self defense yet available to him. Its also the best form available to any of us. When the cracks in the system are big enough, then you apply a sledge hammer. Until then, you have to keep chipping away by waking up one person at a time.

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Don't attack Ron Paul on the Daily Paul.

Do you think that we've gone to sleep? This kind of trash thread is on schedule to get more negative votes than when Rand endorsed Romney.

SteveMT's picture

The bankers control the men in "black suits."

Ron Paul's question makes Ben Bernake's voice quiver


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Cowering before the most powerful men in the world, NOT!

Ron Paul Questions Alan Greenspan 2-17-2000


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Cower? Never! By his voting record, Ron Paul stood his ground.

Ron Paul was no flip-flopper on issues or with votes that he cast in over 20 years. Consistency was the hallmark of Ron Paul. He hasn't changed his position on any issue no matter what pressure was brought against him. If he could change one vote, it would probably be the one for going to war with Afghanistan. Ron Paul would not have run for president even one time if he had been afraid. He did it three times.

I Am Outraged!!! I Recommend that You Be Banned By Mich~ael

What an outrageous comment!!

To have the right to comment on this forum personally, but to just outright lie, distort or demean about whom this website was inspired for is outrageous..

I disagree. This post is not a good reason to ban...

However, the fact that 'pen' has not deleted this post or even posted a comment in defense of it is.

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

Have you looked at his post?

They are all crap anyways. Where do I sign your petition? :)

thank you...

"They are all crap anyways."

It is good to see your collectivist seeds in the comments you make. Thank you for bringing to my attention the absolute crap that is the content of my every thread.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Hey whatever I can do to help

I'm glad I could point it out, and that you are honest enough to realize your own crap. You could've just ignored me, but you chose to respond and take what I said seriously, which shows that you care. :)

The fact that you even wrote this post

Makes me question your motives for being on the Daily Paul.