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My gosh, it's time to believe, this is scary, for Christians, or all believers. A must for nonbelievers too

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the Sabbath was made for mankind

as a day to connect with our Lord, this is why it is ok to do good for people on the Sabbath, unselfish works to help our fellow man. The Sabbath truly was made for man.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Long Video - But Here's Some Helpful Info:

I've been following apostasy in the church all of my adult life thus far. Following the same trajectories of a one-world currency and and one-world government, similar moves have been made to create a one-world church.

Part of that plan entails Borg-ifing the many Christian sects into one easily controlled and manipulated organization. This new "Christianity" is very much in tune with the New Age movement with a lot of mysticism and ambiguous doctrine. There are a few good sites which cover the whys and whatfores of this movement:

Crossroads by Berit Kjos, who lived through the Nazi occupation of Finland as a child and also talks about the NWO from a Christian perspective.
http://www.crossroad.to/

Lighthouse Trails, documents the mysticism and New Age teachings infiltrating the church
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/

I also encourage you to check out Constance Cumby's story of coming up against the New Ager Luciferians in Detroit:


http://youtu.be/pFWn1vJV5C0

This stuff intersects our study of politics because the UN's Lucis Trust is working on bringing all the religions together and have a prayer to bring about the coming of the Antichrist (of course they have a different name for it)
http://www.lucistrust.org/en/service_activities/the_great_in...

Also check out the documentary, Aquarius, Age of Evil for a lot of great information.

Carolyn Hamlett is a good source too.

She exposes what is actually happening behind the scenes as well.

http://beyondthephysical.blogspot.com

Agree, Berit Kjos, is a good source.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

You are absolutely correct..

This is the 'church' that true believers will flee, and those who are deceived will cling to. Some of us have already fled, including myself.

Synopsis: The Reformation is over - Worship the Pope

The dark ages, the inquisition, Holy Wars, the Jesuits and all of the evils of the church of Rome are behind us now because Pope Francis now admits in a video that we are saved "By Grace Alone". Bishop Tony Palmer says the "protest is over" no need to be protestants any longer. We need to embrace the mother church - ROME and the POPE. So Copeland and his lemmings are going to do just that. This is a sham of epic proportions. NOTHING has changed in ROME. This is a brilliant PR campaign to neutralize the TV watching evangelicals and get them to worship the Anti-Christ that Luther, Calvin, Knox, and so many others warned us about.

It can't be...can it?

yes but you are only summarizing the first part of the video

About 37 minutes in Walter Veith counters all the preliminary background videos that were shown. Walter Veith would agree with you. This video is not intended to be Pro Rome and pro pope. Actually it's the opposite.

and I agree with Veith...

The main point of the video being Rome's attempt to "gather" all religions to itself. That is the message. Veith is just adding his commentary about why this is a disaster for protestants and perhaps even other faiths.

It can't be...can it?

As soon as I heard the name

As soon as I heard the name Kenneth Copeland I turned it off.. Copeland is a joke.

Totally agree

Copeland is a joke. I read the headline of this thread then I saw you say it was Kenneth Copeland... then I decided it was a complete waste of time...

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

I got through 5:55 minutes.. hopefully

that doesn't mean something bad. The unity of the Christian church... sorry if I just don't see it.

I remember my precious late Uncle Phil discussing the "true doctrine" of Jesus. At the age of 16 my Mom wanted to "save" my soul by studying with him. He was the senior researcher for Watchmen Fellowship, not to be confused with the Watchtower. He would research the occult, in other words, he would study the groups that would call themselves Christian, but to him were basically perverse groups who invoked the name of Christ.

A short glimpse at wikipedia shows a large number of different denominations. Where is the unity? Maybe it talks about this fact later in the hour long discussion.

What I really want to know is what is so scary that I must worry about? And why is it worth it?

-Matthew Good

you really don't get to the point of the video until 37 min in

The original Poster should have expanded on the point of the video and where the key parts were and how the video is structured.

It's a video exposing how they are trying to bring about a world church under one leader....the pope. They are trying to change doctrine by changing the bibles and the teachings within the church and skewing beliefs toward Roman teachings and practices.

To expand on the point, This is about the Counter-Reformation

ROME did not take the loss of their power sitting down but launched a severe counter-attack that is still evident today. My view is that the same people behind the OLD world order (ROME) ARE the ones trying to usher in the NEW world order...

It can't be...can it?

One Hour and Twelve minutes...?

Synopsis please!

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

basically the Roman Catholic

Church is trying to unite all christian religions into one not by doctrine but by brother and sistership. The Catholic Church is basically saying doctrine and traditions we follow in our various religions should be set aside. It basically means throw away your Bible and unify, in a nutshell. It is Bible prophecy being fulfilled. The one world religion that Catholicism unifies is Antichrist, it will look all happy and nice except for when they start attacking the people who don't go along with it because we follow the Word. When this occurs and all unite, all religions, run, run, run the other way. In fact run from it now.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Isn't this supposed to be the last Pope?

Via St. Malachy (sp) or Nostradamus or Shipton o the like?

Anyway what is supposed to happen once the christians unite?

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

then the true followers of Christ will

start to get persecuted, meaning they follow the Bible and not the words from man. Then the end will come, God will intervene at that point, but it takes some Bible study and Revelation interperatation to put it all together. Watch the video it will make more sense if you watch the whole thing.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I appreciate...

...the spirit of reconciliation and finding common ground between denominations. As long as it isn't a call to completely abandon our own diverse doctrines, is it really a bad thing to build bridges and lessen division?

I cannot

unify with the Catholic Church, I don't pray to Mary, she is sleeping in a grave, I don't believe in the weekly sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist. I believe in the Saturday Sabbath, not the Sunday one. I can only unify spiritually based on the Bible.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

You should read a Bible

Mary ascended to heaven just like Elijah and Jesus, she is not in a grave.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

verse please.

verse please.

nowhere in the Bible does it

say Mary ascended into heaven. Basically everyone that has died is sleeping in a grave, they are not in heaven until the Second Coming.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Hard to know...

...what this 'sleep' really entails, I guess. When you consider that Christ Himself after death had conscious interactions with others, including in His descent, and that He told the thief on the cross that they would be together in Paradise that day, it seems that in Sheol, or Abraham's Bosom, or wherever their spirits reside prior to the resurrection, there is some kind of conscious activity. Whether Mary, or anyone else can hear prayer requests directed at them, from such a place, who knows?

Sorry...

Not in the bible at all. This is a catholic tradition.

You are correct.

So what? And, I don't care. I was merely pointing out the silliness of religious argument. The Bible can't even get the nativity or the resurrection straight.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Chapter and verse please....

You will have a hard time finding this one.

It can't be...can it?

My mistake

It has been a while. She was "assumed" not "ascended". I suppose "assumed" means it could have been non-bodily. I frankly don't care, it is all make-believe.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Do you see...

...any Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox as brothers and sisters in Christ, despite these differences?

I wouldn't be able to assent completely to the doctrines of most churches; but there is some degree of common ground nonetheless with most. Should we shun people as anathema over these differences?

You're missing the point.

The problem with the Roman Church is that it is institutionally corrupt, ergo you can not have institutional unity with something that is the antithesis of Christianity. Apostolic succession is doctrinal, not a matter of political appointment, and this was clearly understood even up to the time of Thomas Aquinas.

I will pray for any Romanist believer who comes to properly understand the Gospel message, but I will not pray for a college of bishops who regularly suppress the truth of the Gospel message from the millions that they hold sway over. Shunning people is done in response to a direct attempt to promote heresy and give people the wrong message, it has nothing to do with who you may like or dislike. If you think it is wrong to disassociate with heretics, you may want to crack open Titus 3 and pay particular attention to verses 7 through 11. Likewise, consider Paul's condemnation of the Judaizers, the issue raised about circumcision would probably appear as splitting hairs to people who crave unity for its own purpose, but it speaks entirely to the very basis of 2 irreconcilable views of doctrine.

On a general note, it doesn't surprise me that the Anglican communion wishes to buddy up with Rome, they never fully broken with them the way the other Magistrate Reformers did and continued to enshrine many of the same errors while simply replacing a theocratic tyrant (the pope) for a secular tyrant (the king).

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

I appreciate your...

...desire to clearly maintain doctrinal truth as separate from distortions, and I would question a unification movement which seeked to abandon all concern over doctrine just to generate a bunch of baseless warm fuzzies.

Some thoughts, though, on the above...

- My Master commands me to love even my 'enemies' and to pray for them (Matt 5:35-45; Luke 6:27-28); and so any Pauline instruction to Titus or any other particular congregation to 'reject' certain people for causing division over foolish disputes, must be seen as being kept within the bounds of Christ's commands.

- There is a difference between not allowing people, after a couple of warnings, to continue to disrupt the peace within your own church congregation, and shunning them to the point of not even wanting to converse with them at all, to pray for them, or to love them as our Father and our Lord love them.

- There is a difference between two congregations affirming what they have in common, and having complete 'institutional unity' on all doctrines.

- If the Roman Catholic teaching has moved towards agreement that salvation is by grace, through faith unto good works, why should I not show appreciation for that increase in common ground? Should I refuse to acknowledge any common ground until they agree entirely with you or with me?

- Another portion of Titus 3 caught my eye:

1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

If people are deceived on various doctrinal misunderstandings or distortions, nonetheless, I am to treat them with the humility and respect mentioned above, considering that I have been and probably still am wrong on things, myself. Any 'rejection' of someone who is disrupting a church over foolish things must still be done with the kindness and the love of the Savior, Who showed even us kindness and love while we were yet sinners, while we were yet His 'enemies'.

Love hopes all things, believes all things, never fails. I believe that the Father, as revealed in the Son, will never abandon love for any of His creatures, and will always seek for their eventual reconciliation and restored fellowship; and so I should see all persons, not as 'institutions', but as the individuals He knows and loves and is drawing through their own journeys to Himself, through Christ.

And so I'm not afraid of continuing to converse with and love even the most wayward prodigal, the most explicit heretic, the most entrenched atheist. And whatever differences remain between my brothers and sisters in any denomination, and myself, that is never enough to separate me completely from them, just as there is nothing that can separate them from the Love of God.

Salvation by works is another gospel - it is NOT Christianity

The Council of Trent declared:

CANON 9: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Canon 24: "If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema."

Anathema = Cursed (Damned to Hell)
This is just this tip of the iceberg.

More info here:
http://carm.org/council-trent-canons-justification

It can't be...can it?