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Rothschild Zionism vs The Illuminati Occult

I can never get a clear and honest debate over this. Does anyone know the truth? I have been led to believe that Zionism is the true evil that controls the world. The Benjamin Freedman speech in 1961 is just so convincing.

Then you have the illuminati folks which haven't really convinced me (yet) of "occultism" and Satan worship being a conspiracy in Hollywood etc.

I would like to see some of the best videos preferably, so I can clearly see the two sides or many sides for that matter.

So let's here it, I don't like Israel, so am I an antisemite? Which of the two do you believe and why?

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The Revelation of St John is

The Revelation of St John is not about traitorous Jewish priests & scribes in Jesus's day, It is about the future which is about to arrive. As for the other statements, they are general in nature & only addressed to the organized disruptors that monitor many more websites besides this one to stifle dissent. There were no Jews in existence when Jehovah chose Abraham to be the father of his people. The nation of Israel came to be much later. God caused 10 tribes of Israel to be scattered & lost at the hand of the Assyrians because of apostasy. The same happened to the remaining 2 tribes & the priest class approximately 150 years later at the hand of Babylon for the same reason. This aberration was nurtured by the Pharisees several hundred years before Christ during the Babylonian captivity & consolidated in written form about the fifth century A.D. It continues through today. That is why it is called the Babylonian Talmud. It is what fuels a lot of the discord & chaos in our current world. I'm sure not all Jews believe in this. A good example are Karaites who believe in the Torah & not the Talmud. Unfortunately, they are persecuted in Israel as are Christians who proselytize & whip out Bibles.

Quotes from the Good Book

The 'sayanim" & "hasbara" never rest. They're at it 24/7. Kill discussion & dissent. I know thy works, & tribulation & poverty, (but thou are rich) & I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, & are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2:9) Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, & are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them come & worship before thy feet, & to know that I have loved thee. (Revelation 3:9) These are the words of Jesus Christ himself. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; & circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, & not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Paul the apostle (Romans 2:28-29) King James Version.

Revelation 3:9 makes my point...

"They say they are Jews AND THEY ARE NOT!"

See my post below on Revelations 3:9, which explains it all really.

Jesus was Jewish, you think he was against Jews?!

Are you seriously trying to claim the G-d of Abraham is against the Jewish people? Are you trying to claim the G-d of Abraham is not the G-d of Yeshua? Have you actually read the Bible, or do you just search for hand-picked bible quotes and take them out of context to fit your bigoted ideology?

He said he came not change one yot or tittle of the scripture, but to fulfill it...

Now you're calling me 'hasbara'. What's the matter you can't handle an open discussion? You're the one trying to shut down discussion and kill dissent from your Jew-hate party with false accusations of 'Hasbara' and 'sayanin' and half-truth spin about bible quotes.

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Most people don't understand there were 12 tribes of Israel.

These were the sons of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel before is death.

Jesus' mother Mary was of both the king line (the house of Juda) and the priest line (the house of Levi), his father was YHVH. Therefore Jesus was 1/4 Jew, 1/4 Levi and 1/2 God.

Most caucasians are from the 10 northern tribes that went into captivity to the Assirians around 600AD, later escaped and migrated to Europe over the Caucaus mountains and became generically known as Caucausians. They later populated Europe, Canada the America in pursuit of religious freedom. That's whay our law is based on the law of Moses.

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/ free bible lecturers taught by people who studied from the original manuscripts which is the only way to fully understand the Bible.

Well, He wasn't HALF-God...

He was the Spirit of G-d incarnate...

He was also 100% Jew, as the Levites were the priestly tribe but they were nonetheless Hebrews.

I don't get into that genetic purity non-sense though. No way to prove who is who, or what, and it doesn't really matter anyway...

You're judged by what is in your heart.

Yeshua came to bring gentiles into the fold, so anyone who accepts Him as their savior is on the right track. You'll still have to follow in His path, you can't just say "I believe" and go rape people or something like that though.

I agree that Americas laws are roughly based on Biblical law.

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The reason there is so much geneology in the Bible

is because of it's importance. YHVH, didn't put it in there just as filler. That's why all of the begats are in the OT and why in Luke 3:23–38, Jesus's geneology is traced back to Adam and God.

The central theme in the OT is God protecting the holy seed line through which Messiah would come. Satan tried many times to prevent this seed line from continuing including the Garden, the days of Noah, Herod's killing of the innocences, and the crucifixion. For instance the reason for Noah's flood was to protect the seed line from the fallen angels who were marrying women and polluting the seed line:

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Noah's family was the only pure bloodline that had not intermarried.

The reason God gave the house of Israel the health laws was to protect the seed line from disease and perversion including of the beastiality practice by the Egyptians. That's the same reason he ordered them to kill the Canaanites, to protect the seed line.

Understing this as a central theme in the OT greatly opens up the mystery of the bible, makes it much more interesting and it starts making sense.

I believe...

...it is about the "wheat and the weeds".

I understand all that you mentioned. Agree about Noah, but Noah was also the only righteous man G-d could find.

I'm just saying at this point in time, who can tell who is what, and whether or not that 'what' is good or bad?

I think everyone is again "polluted" with 'reptilian' DNA or whatever you want to call it. (You've heard those theories, I assume)

As for the food laws I agree it was about 'health codes' essentially, but also I believe it was keeping the Hebrews wandering as nomads until they reached the promised land, and not allowing to settle down and raise pigs, or gather shellfish, but to keep moving and raise only livestock that grazes, and eat only fish that swim in the rivers, as to keep the tribes moving.

I agree that it is a central theme, but how to correctly interpret it, or if it can be correctly interpreted, is still beyond me. Let alone if or how it should be implemented today? I really don't trust the whole modern science of genetics, eugenics, or anything like that.

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I was confused about 50 years until I heard it taught

by teachers who studied the original manuscript but used the KJ as a teaching tool. Because of inaccurate translations and mistakes by the translators, it's almost impossible to gain a full understanding from the KJ alone.

Give these guys a try. Man it's really interesting especially if you like history.
http://www.shepherdschapel.com/

K, thanks...

King James is better than most other translations in my opinion.

When you say "the original document", what are you referring to?

Do you mean the original scrolls that make up the New Testament? Or do you mean the ORIGINAL original document, the Torah scroll? Which is the 5 books of Moses, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, & Numbers... But does not include the rest of the Old Testament, the Writings and the Prophets, nor any of the New Testament?

In our Messianic Church/Synagogue, though we study the New Testament and follow Yeshua (Jesus) as the Messiah, but we still keep the Jewish traditions and have somewhat recently acquired an authentic Torah scroll.

The Torah scrolls are hand written by "Sofers", Rabbinical scribes who've been trained their entire lives to do nothing but scribe Torah scrolls. Each scroll is precisely the same as the next, and if one yot or tittle or even the slightest mistake is made the entire scroll must be re-written. Every scroll is made of pure sheep skin, or another kosher animal. The Torah is the oldest text of any of the Abrahamic religions.

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Jesus is fully God.

Jesus is fully God.

Grow up?

An answer to Lawmanjed. While you claim not to have been taught about the Talmud as a child, you refute the statement about "Jesus boiling in hot excrement." leading me to conclude that you know far more about the Talmud than you let on to. By the way, I am a grown man of 60 & quite capable of objective analytical thought. Anyway, I am not here to create arguments, but to share knowledge & learn. To all DPers here, please google "The Other Israel" by Ted Pike for your viewing pleasure. One more note. There is a group on the internet known as "Hasbara" whose mission is to stifle discussion on this subject. The internet is the greatest learning tool ever invented. This is why the Rulers seek to control it as they now control all other media here in the U.S. To quote good old Hillary; "We are losing the information war." I trust & hope that you are genuine, Lawmanged, & view this movie. It should suffice.

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Wow, what a joke...

I know that SOME POSTERS here on DP CLAIM the Talmud says "Jesus is boiling in hot excrement"... Because some people like yourself keep posting that non-sense.

I said I did not learn about Talmud in Hebrew school. The don't teach that in conservative Judaism. Your baseless accusations continue. I did not say I didn't learn a little about it later on in life. I've learned a lot in my lifetime. I live and breathe. Excuse me for knowing SOMETHING about a topic before I go posting about it. Unlike yourself. A simple google search would have helped you.

Nice job detective...

I don't care how old you are. It doesn't really matter. But I said "Grow up" to whoever down-voted that post below, for down-voting nothing but FACT. So maybe it was you. Great, who cares. But I think you may still need to grow up emotionally.
Because why wouldn't you just respond to my comment below instead of making a whole new comment on the top of the thread to garner attention to yourself. Obviously looking for sympathy from the prevalent H-I-F crowd.

BTW, I am genuine, and I have been nothing but open and honest about who I am and what I know, and engage in objective conversations at the topic at hand. Why would you question whether I'm genuine, because I'm Jewish? Collectivize much?

Thanks for your accusations and rudeness. Real grown up.

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It says it in

Gittin 56b, 57a.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Can you read Hebrew?

Just asking, not trying to sound condescending. Because last time someone posted that I asked for a link and was not provided one.

You have to understand the Talmud is like 20,000+ pages of extrapolation and interpretation and argument. I haven't read it, nor could I, nor would I bother, so I really don't know exactly what is or isn't in the Talmud. Very few people do, and if they do, there are multiple arguments and points of view of which one can decide for themselves. That was the whole point of the Talmud, to correctly interpret Torah. I don't think they had the hind-sight to correctly interpret it all, in 500 AD.

I am highly suspect though, of the kind of translation and/or interpretation some posters who seem to have it out for 'The Jews' on a collective level would claim to make about a book they don't understand, written in a language they really have no clue about.

Point of my post though, is that the Talmud is absolutely not the holiest book to Jewish people, and is in fact not holy at all to most Jews. It wasn't even written until around 400-500 AD... By human beings, well into the era of recorded history. It is merely a book of interpretations and opinions about the Torah. It was used to cite Jewish laws for while, and still for certain Orthodox Talmudic Jewish sects. The Torah is the Holiest book of the Jews, to all Jews.

As a Messianic, I am not about the Talmud or Talmudic Judaism at all. They are a small sect, even in Israel they are the minority among the Jewish population. I disagree with the overall religious world-view, and anything negatively portraying the Jewish Messiah I would be very upset about, and would never condone, or defend.

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The Cross is the Center of the Universe

As a Messianic Jew, you surely agree with me that the Passion of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, is the axial event in the history of the universe. Everything before was leading up to Christ's work on the cross, and everything after is defined by that. In Christian art, Jerusalem is often portrayed as the geographical center of the world, the axis mundi and Golgotha specifically has been identified by early Christian theologians as the site where Adam was both created and buried.

Wherever we stand, it ultimately comes down to a question, "Where do we stand relatively to Christ's Passion?" Matthew 10:34-39 comes down to this:

Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.

This division is most palpable when it comes to the question of Israel. The first Christians were, of course, Jews, and the most bitter early opponents of the Christians were other Jews. This has continued through the centuries, with many called but few chosen. Of course, in most of the world, dynamics changed over the centuries; Jews who did not become Christians eventually lived as minorities in mostly-Christian societies. Constantine became the first Christian Roman Emperor and was a great patron of the Church, and eventually Christianity was the sole official religion of the Empire in 380 under Theodosius.

Jews were simply not able to ignore the claims that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. Living surrounded by Christians, in an era when religion was taken very seriously and suffused all of social life and politics, it was insufficient just to ignore the claims. Jews took a stand, and sometimes, they did so aggressively. In response to Christianity, Jews (as well as pagans) developed counter-ideologies to slander the increasingly-popular Jesus. Some claimed he was born the bastard child of a Roman soldier, some claimed he was a sorcerer, some claimed he was a madman. In some rare instances, it seems that the response to Christianity was sometimes sufficiently harsh to have led to violent repercussions. One such incident occurred in the 6th century, when the Himyarite King of Yemen, Yusuf As'ar Dhu Nuwas, a Jew descended from a dynasty of converts to that religion, massacred many of the Christians in the Najran. The incident is alluded to in the Quran and is still commemorated to this day by the people there, who are now Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_community_of_Najran#C...

Orthodox Jews disagree over whether the Jesus in the Talmud is the same as the Jesus of Nazareth in the Christian Bible. In the Middle Ages, Christians certainly thought so, when church officials were tipped off about the contents by some recent converts from Judaism. When questioned about this, many rabbis insisted that the name Yeshua was common and that they were references to another person by the same name. Whether this is plausible, and whether this is what the rabbis sincerely thought, rather than a clever means to exculpate the books in question, is a matter of debate.

What we do know, though, is that some Jews, in order to strengthen their identity and in order to discourage other Jews from converting to the dominant religion, did engage in religious polemics and practice some customs that are genuinely insensitive and hurtful to Christians. Some of these customs continue to this day in Ultra-Orthodox communities, for example, the commemoration of Nittel Nacht on Christmas Eve.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/faithbased/2009/12/holy_n...

On Christmas Eve, Ultra-Orthodox Jews traditionally refrain from studying the Scriptures, out of fear that by doing so they will honor Jesus Christ, and furthermore refrain from sexual activity. It is feared that if a child is conceived on Christmas Eve, he will, like Jesus (in their mind), become an apostate and turn his back on the faith of the patriarchs.

There is also a small but noteworthy body of polemical literature directed against Christianity, written mostly in Hebrew but also surviving in Aramaic, Yiddish, other other languages, some of it very inflammatory and hostile to Jesus Christ. One such book, the Toledot Yeshu, exists in over a hundred manuscripts from all over the Jewish world. It is a sort of satirical anti-Gospel in which Judas is portrayed as a hero for defeating Jesus Christ the sorcerer. A very short version, translated into English from Hebrew, can be found here:

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/JewishJesus/toledoth.html

In addition to these writings, there is also Jewish folklore, oral traditions, and conceptions about Jesus and Christianity generally, which survive mostly in insular, ultra-Orthodox communities. They reflect an era in which Jewish identity meant choosing to continue living as a visible minority surrounded by Christians trying to convert them, suffering substantial restrictions and hardship on account of their religion. In this environment, Jews would sometimes use rhetoric and stereotyping, sometimes very nasty, to exhort other Jews to remain firm in their convictions and to shame those who did not.

Some of this Jewish oral culture is presented in a 1968 book, Legends of the Hasidim by Jerome Mintz. It is a very charming volume and records plenty of interesting stories and legends about various rabbis, as well as folklore about various little things.

http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Hasidim-Introduction-Hasidic-T...

I thought they were separate too until I watched

synagogue of satan a 5 hr doumentary free on youtube that will recite the whole truth and nothing but truth.

along with the documentary "the greatest story never told"

both of those videos are pretty much it to knowing and understanding the government relation with central banks

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right. -Henry Ford

Why would anyone ever think these two are separate and

To think that Rothschild tool of Zionism to use the jews to bully cheat lie propagandize the rest of the world in the name of IzUnReal and the Rothschild Illuminati that controls the world masons in the same way are exclusive is not accurate.

They are both one and the same, part of the Rothschild slavery and genocide of humanity.

There is evidence if you need it just do internet searches.

But sense tells me if someone has usurped the world's money creation to corporate computer keyboards how could you believe that they would not own EVERYTHING.

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Revelations 3:9

Revelations 3:9

Exactly... Goes right to the heart of the issue...

Seeing as how there were no churches or mosques, yet, only Jews and pagans at the time, it was a warning about the pagan idol/occult worship that many of the Jewish priests and 'high society' nefariously got into. Particularly in Jesus' time. That's why He turned over the money tables in the Temple.

This happened throughout biblical history, from when Moses came down from Sinai and many of the people were worshipping the golden calf.

Baal, and Baphomet, and many other pagan gods were worshipped by the nations and tribes around Israel, and even before Israel, and the Hebrews were not immune from going astray to worship these false gods. In fact there was conversion all around, from pagan to Jew, and Jew to pagan, happening often.

By Jesus' time, the Jews had already been in captivity under the pagan Egyptian Pharaoh for hundreds of years, and then later under Nebuchadnezzar by the Babylonians, after the Babylonians invaded Israel & Judah and destroyed the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. Nebuchadnezzar after seeing visions of G-d the Most High, was made to give up his thrown and exalt G-d. Nebuchadnezzar's son, Belshazzar was killed after the Lord sent him a message that his reign would end. King Darius of Persia would inherit the kingdom of Babylon, and king Cyrus of Persia would free the Jews from bondage, also after recognizing G-d Most High. The Jews returned to Israel, and rebuilt the Temple.

('Court Jews' really started under Pharaoh as Task-masters. Even Moses was raised in the Pharaohs house, until he killed a Task-Master for beating a Hebrew and then he fled, came back, and defied Pharaoh and freed his people from bondage with the Lord's help.)

In Jesus' time, the Romans had invaded and conquered Israel. Again, many high priests and high society types sided with Roman Caesar / Pharaoh in order to gain favor with the New Emperor, and to keep their privileged positions. The money changers in the Temple were kicking-up profits to Caesar, and seeing as how Caesar declared himself a living god, as Pharaoh did, Jesus knew these Temple priests were corrupt, and essentially working for Caesar/Satan.

He rightfully says that they are a synagogue of Satan, not of the Lord G-d, and that they are NOT Jews, but imposters!

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Illuminati, NWO, Al-CIA-da, etc., 'For Dummies'...

Please enjoy!

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Is this for dummies

because only dummies believe this crap

Great comments. I try not to

Great comments. I try not to buy into the smoke and mirrors and distractions. I want the TRUTH! I don't care how ugly the truth is.
furthermore, I won't limit it to two. If you think I should add more factions to this title, I'm all ears.

"truth is treason in an empire of lies."
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Judiasm, Zionism and The Illuminati

Judaism believes in One God who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption ...

A Zionist is a person who desires or supports the establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, which in the future will become the state of the Jewish people. This is based on what Herzl said: “In Basel I founded the Jewish state.”

Judiasm vs. Zionism Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsCBn6Qhow4

Freemasonry, Illuminati, and Zionism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcRgDaGCrJE

The Illuminati: Freemasonry and Zionism - The Master Plan To Rule The World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoPVHcgVNNU

Who Are The Illuminati?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwGGTZMp4_Q

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places" ~ Christ Jesus

"Weep not for me ye women of Jerusalem. The Romans will put me to death innocently, then think what they will do to you who are not innocent." ~ Christ Jesus

It's a distraction and doesn't really exist.

It's a distraction and doesn't really exist. There are legitimate critiques against the Israeli lobby and Israel's conservative government but the nefariousness isn't unique in the world. The secret society stuff is just a myth.

Most of the powerful, rich elite are atheists.

Check out http://ronpaulforums.com for activism and news.

Secret Mysteries Of America's

Thanks, they are LONG...

But I will watch them through...

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Why limit yourself?

To only two options?

Séamusín

Is there a "Hidden Hand" that guides humanity through history?

http://www.dailypaul.com/316411/the-hidden-hand-throughout-h...

“Today’s thinking toward a democratic world state is neither a new trend nor an accidental circumstance; the work of setting up the background of knowledge necessary to the establishing of enlightened democracy among all nations has been carried on for many hundreds of years by secret societies.”
-Manly P. Hall, Secret Destiny of America

" Has the course of History been directed by a small group of people with common interests? The paintings and pictures of the great men of the past centuries reveal a common thread which links them together. Is it a coincidence that many of them hid one of their hands when posing for a portrait? It seems unlikely. We’ll look at the Masonic origin of the “hidden hand” and the powerful men who used the sign in famous portraits. "

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