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Are Swiss voters the most economically educated? Overwhelmingly reject minimum wage

Swiss voters have overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to introduce what would have been the highest minimum wage in the world in a referendum.

Under the plan, employers would have had to pay workers a minimum 22 Swiss francs (about $25; £15; 18 euros) an hour.

Supporters said the move was necessary for people to live a decent life.

But critics argued that it would raise production costs and increase unemployment.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27459178



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Not just the most econmically educated.

In my least humble proposition they are the most reasonable in an island of fascist. Let me remind all they have conscription and all are armed. Switzerland is safe, and fair.

Speaking of which - why hasn't anyone ever invaded the richest nation on earth. 10 million people couldn't put up much of a fight. You could just tax them too oblivion on invasion and then leave them broken. Why I ask, why !!!

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"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

are your post title odd i reject its phraseology

lol.

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

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: ) Sorry, I'm usually too rushed

to post at the DP anymore; I thought this interesting enough to post hastily.

are coffee beaning

indifferent potato patches?

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

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how does this matter right now?

Whatever happened to the Swiss "guaranteed income" proposal?

The Swiss are generally misunderstood by conservatives on a lot of issues, including this one. Whatever happened to the Swiss "guaranteed income" proposal, for example? That was a proposed law to guarantee every Swiss citizen at least 2,500 dollars a month income for the same reason as this minimum wage bill: rising costs of living are driving down living standards.

What few people noted is that the guaranteed income law would be for CITIZENS only. And becoming a citizen of Switzerland is one of the hardest things to do! There are grandchildren of immigrants born in Switzerland who are unable to become citizens. The right to vote and participate in the Confederate government is a sacred thing, and assiduously defended from taint. The guaranteed income law would benefit less than half of the people of Switzerland -- the important half: the ones who must bear arms on behalf of their country.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Basic Income makes Min. Wage irrelevant

I thought they already voted on the Basic Income Referendum but I can't find it. They did recieve the signatures needed.

Here are two artlicle by libertarians supporting it:

http://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-case-basic...

http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/26/scrap-the-welfare-stat...

If you research basic income you will find a number of pilot projects that prove people don't work less (everyone keeps bringing up the "theory" that people won't want to work). They only people that work less are new moms and teenagers. In reality, economic activity increases, small business start ups increase, savings increases, school attendance increases.

The only things that decrease are work place accidents, hospitalization, auto-accidents and domestic violence.

I'm working on a proposal for the U.S. to bring basic income in without taxing (in fact my proposal cuts all taxes). It might take a few years to get people to handle my proposal, but the numbers work out.

Jack Wagner

I recall the fuss but not the referendum itself

I recall the fuss but not the referendum itself. My question involved the beneficiaries. Since the referendum would be voted on only by citizens, it is "logical" that the beneficiaries of guaranteed basic income should be citizens and not non-voting residents, right?

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

"The guaranteed income law

"The guaranteed income law would benefit less than half of the people of Switzerland -- the important half: the ones who must bear arms on behalf of their country."

Last I read (and that was a number if years ago), only Swiss men were required to "bear arms on behalf of their country"...Swiss women did not have this requirement. Does that change your number above to one quarter?

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

You're the 2nd one to criticise my wording. Get off it!

What the heck is the matter with people around here today? You're the second one to criticise my wording. Get off it and stick to the topic!

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Seriously? Wow, thin skin

Seriously? Wow, thin skin much?

I wasn't attacking you...I was actually asking an honest question because it sounded like you were informed about current Swiss government regulations. As I mentioned, it has been a few years since I read about the Swiss version of the "draft". Last I read, women were exempted (and always had been). I think that is a legit question...and an honest question.

Again, I wasn't attacking you. The way that you phrased it implied that women were now responsible for the same requirement of bearing arms. I was curious if that had changed. And that is an important topic on a liberty site...if that regulation hasn't changed, it is blatant discrimination against men, as it still is in the US, limiting freedoms for men and boys.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

Much thin skin. Plus wicked cold and 0 sleep. Thanx fer aksin.

Yes. Much thin skin. plus wicked cold and 0 sleep. Thanx fer aksin'.

According to Swiss law, women may volunteer for service and about 1,000 are enrolled. The total number of Swiss soldiers are about 220,000, significantly less than the military age population, who fall technically into the reserves. A contingent of 10,000 are classed as "professional" soldiers because they do duty outside of the country in various peacekeeping missions.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Swiss citizenship

It's actually not that difficult. If you get married to a Swiss citizen, then you need to reside there 5 years. Not so bad. Tina Turner is Swiss now by the way … she renounced her US citizenship.

Some of the really difficult places to acquire citizenship are those tiny nations in Europe: San Marino, Andorra, Monaco … I read one of those places actually makes you wait 25 years.

I am not sure what you meant about the "important half" in Switzerland. Did that mean that guaranteed income would only apply to the men and not the women? (i.e., the women do not have the requirement for military service.)

Citizens are the "important half", of course.

Citizens are the "important half", of course. The other half are guest workers with no right to participate in civics. Most likely, the minimum wage hike was rejected because it would extend to non-citizens as well.

Not sure about the exact requirements of Swiss citizenship. It actually depends on the canton rules. Maybe Geneva is kinder to Tina Turner than Bern is to Leon Trotsky's grandchildren. There are plenty of cases of third generation Swiss residents whose citizenship applications have been rejected outright.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Just to be fair, they rejected a $25 per hour minumum wage.

Which would have been the highest in the world.

A $25 minimum wage

passes tomorrow if you put it up for a vote to the citizens of the United States. It would pass with 76%.

Tu ne cede malis.

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