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Whoa! A real "Smoking Gun" on 9/11?

9/11: Russia Presents Evidence Against US, UK And Israel Co-Conspirators?
Michael Thomas

Undoubtedly the 9/11 attacks on New York City and Washington DC are the most misrepresented by officialdom in US history.

Whereas the assassination of John F. Kennedy is now understood to have been a classic CIA Public Execution Plan, it does not come close to 9/11 in terms of the number and magnitude of outright falsehoods, misleading statements, fake science and fraudulent facts submitted by officials and agents of the US Government. The ‘official’ 9/11 Commission Report stands as the most fabricated document ever produced by US tax dollars. Not only did the investigation avoid every serious inquiry about how two steel frame building came down after being dustified in NYC, it also subverted every initiative to ferret out the truth.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/05.14/conspirators.html

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Obviously Racist

“9/11 was an Anglo-American black operation executed in collusion with Israeli Secret Services.” — 9/11 Investigator

Therefore we must disregard every true thing that they say.

what *we* have here is a never-ending

discussion on something that can never be proved or disproved--

which is why none of the high-ranking officials in any of the alphabet agencies are ever more than suspected, usually by people who have no judicial authority.

Nobody can be brought to 'justice'. Justice has become a huge joke. "These people" have insulated themselves so well as to become immune to legal accusation and prosecution.

The fact is that Oswald has been dead for decades.

Bush Senior is still alive. Whether or not he was innocent or guilty (Bush or Oswald), one died young; the other is still around, gaining honor.

The 'powers that be' know very well that they will never be indicted. Things work very well for *them*.

For *us*, *we* get to argue and call "each other" names. *wink*

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

"Whereas the assassination of

"Whereas the assassination of John F. Kennedy is now understood to have been a classic CIA Public Execution Plan"

What kind of insulated bubble author must be living in....

This is just Sorcha Faal

This is just Sorcha Faal under one of his aliases. No sources. No confirmation from other sources. This is just made up crap.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Could be but, it is no more

unbelievable than 19 Saudis who couldn't fly worth a damn managed to knock down three buildings with two planes and perform a feat so "expert" to corkscrew down onto the pentagon that most professional pilots would not be able to accomplish. And I probably shouldn't mention that the (plane or missle) hit at just the section that was investigating the missing two trillion dollars that Rumsfeld had just announced they couldn't find. Just for starters. Go figure.
Note* See "rights on ramp" post below. He gets it.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey

The W-54, Size and Uses

The W54 is the smallest nuclear warhead to be deployed by the United States and the smallest known nuclear warhead in general. It is similar in size to a computer printer, with a diameter of 10.75 in (270 mm), about 15.7 in long (400 mm), and weighing slightly over 50 pounds (23 kg). The W54's low weight made it ideal for deployment with specially trained infantry units, such as those stationed in West Germany during the Cold War.

The W54 warhead can be fit in a large backpack, and a US Navy and Marines project in the mid-to-late 60s was developed to make use of this. Called the Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM) project, it involved a paratrooper descending to a target of value, such as a harbor, deploying the nuke, then swimming out to sea and getting picked up by a submarine or high-speed surface craft. Around this time the W54 package would be detonated and the target of value would go boom.

Another application of the W54 was in the Davy Crockett recoilless rifle, which was more like a mortar than a rifle. Operated by a three-man crew, nuclear-armed Davy Crocketts would be used to defend Europe from the Soviets if they invaded during the Cold War. These devices were dial-a-yield, meaning the yield could be set between 10 and 250 tons, enough to vaporize an area equal to several city blocks and deliver a lethal dosage of radiation to everything within 400 m, even at the lowest setting. With the W54, a team of just three American soldiers could have eliminated hundreds or even thousands of Soviet troops.

explain...

Explain how they lugged the nukes up to the floors where the planes hit since the collapse started there.

I don't know how long it takes to clean up radiation but

I don't know how long it takes to clean up radiation but I was at ground zero on 11/11/11 and specifically had a gieger counter ready. There was less radiation than a banana present at that time.

Read the links in the article...

Radiation levels are safe after 72 hours with this device. (That would be by 9/14/01).

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey

that would have been good to know! :-D

It was like there was ANTI-radiation there. It was kind of odd given that there was more (totally acceptable levels of) radiation in the place I was staying.

Eyewitnesses heard, saw, and felt Bombs in the lower levels


Before the building collapsed, eyewitnesses saw, heard, and felt Bombs in the lower floor levels.

Watch:





"These people don't understand, ... this ain't done yet"

Towards the end of this brief video, came an insightful and accurate word of knowledge, whether he believes in that spiritual gift, or not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zED8dy63w

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

uh

Watching the video, the collapse begins at the impact points. Why? Down vote away rather than explain.

Perhaps it would have been too obvious

Perhaps it would have been too obvious if the collapse began at the bottom?

I got a great idea....

Were going to crash some planes into a building and launch a missle into the Pentagon. But wait, that's not enough.......We're also going to plant explosives at the bottom of the buildings....to bring it down....you know, just in case crashing two planes into the buildings and launching a missle at the Pentagon isn't enough to scare people and stuff.

But wait....we won't stop there....we're going to plant explosives at the bottom of other buildings surronding the area. You know, so, like, it destroys even more stuff. But wait...I'm not done.

I'm going to blame it on Osama Bin Laden cause, you know, everyone knows him, well not really, but he wears funny hats so lets blame him.

Then, I'm invading Afghanistan....cause, hell ya, there's nothing there.

Then we'll invade Iraq and kill our public opinion. You know, because I don't care if it kills our party for the next 10 years.

It's not like, as neoconservatives, we've ever cared about power. But wait....I'm not done.

Lastly I'm going to bring back torture...cause I want to be able to that...I don't really have a reason...I'm just kinda evil and stuff....plus you know how evil our buddies at the NWO are, they'll dig it.

One more thing.....I'm going to take away everyone's rights through the Patriot Act...cause yeah, I'm evil...and that's motivation enough.

If you believe this garbage.......I heard if you hold your breath for a half an hour, you get superpowers like Superman. I swear to God man. It's true, try it....You'll see.

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Everything you listed

has come to pass since 9-11 took place,and you still do not see.

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Gee Wally, that's swell...

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There are actually so many wrong assumptions in your post

I'm in awe.

I'm in awe everyday one of you comments....

It's really amazing. Conspiracy junkies live in an alternate reality where all laws of physics are bendable to the argument instead of the argument bending to the laws of physics.

What amazes me is ..

The kind of mind that cannot - for whatever reason - judge where the available evidence from a given situation - from *all* sources - whether that evidence leads toward or away from a particular conclusion.

1) An event happens

2) Produces evidence

3) Then - using judgement - choose from alternate scenarios that explain it.

There are way, way too many people that still have that process short circuited. Its not working right - reasoning is narrow, clouded by preconceptions and social programming.

Some people blame government schools. Others blame a manipulated, fake perception of reality from growing up under corporate owned mass media interests that have a big stake in making sure Americans stay naive, narrowminded and in the dark.

But ... the great American old school BS detector is in short supply.

My theory on it is that people like yourself are in denial about exactly who it is we are dealing with here. I honestly think that
you don't believe in Evil:

"Nobody would ever do anything like 'that'. Nobody is that evil. And they would never get away with it. So I choose not to believe its possible."

You just choose what evidence to ignore, and strike off the list as being something nobody is evil enough to do.

And they know that. They made you this way. My advice to you would be to consider the possibility that some people are born and bred to do the most evil things any one of us would shudder to even think of wanting to do.

And some of the most powerful people among these sharks have deliberately stolen the majority of the wealth on the planet for themselves. What exactly is it that you don't think these kinds of poeple are capable of doing? I cant think of much.

You have Paranoid Delusions

People are not born and bred to do "evil" things. Actions that our morality deem unethical are caused by nurturing.

It is not human nature, caused by genealogy that causes violence and greed. Violence breeds violence. And most violence stems in regions with people who are uneducated and economically depressed.

Most of the people who "stole" your wealth would not see their actions as thievery. Their perceptions are different than yours.

And no, I don't believe in evil; however I do believe in stupidity, intolerance, and entitlement. Those who believe in evil are stupid and their actions usually incite violence.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Khan, Pol Pot etc etc etc etc

These people were evil.

Constructing systems of absolute dominance that lead to the suffering and deaths of millions is evil.

The current false global financial system that has stolen (yes, deliberate theft) through fiat currencies, central bank manipulation, and "corporate personhood" was devised by evil minds .. just as evil as the crew I listed above.

Your failure to acknowledge this reality - is representative of the same failure that hundreds of millions of people alive today are currently making:

They think those people were aberrations - outlier cases that do not represent the norm in positions of high leadership.

"We live in a modern age. Those days are over. Its different now"

Its not different at all. The current crop of psychopaths are just better at fooling people like yourself.

They are the same.

And they are capable of doing exactly the kinds of things that we can clearly see them doing ... *all* the time.

I don't expect someone like yourself to ever accept this reality - because somewhere along the line you decided that we live in a more enlightened, civilized world where people like that either do *not* gain positions of great power .. or that "somebody" would stop them along the way.

The truth is exactly 180 degrees the opposite. They are *more* likely to be domineering, manipulative, murderous psychopaths that know no limits. That's how they got there in the first place.

Time has proved this theory correct by my personal observation - and there are many, many people much more esteemed that myself that have broken this down and approached it from so many angles that I am positive of what I'm saying:

"The higher the position of power - the more likely the occupants of that power are to be domineering manipulative sociopaths"

This is why you are mistaken. And I am not looking to 'win a debate' about this. I never wanted to believe what I am saying either .. its only natural to retreat to a more comforting perception of the world we live in - even if false - than it is to accept it for what it actually is.

Lets start with Hitler..

(Uneducated)
He thought eugenics was true.

(Entitled)
He thought that it was his right to be leader and his people's right to inherit the earth.

(Intolerant)
His poor education and sense of entitlement led a strategy of killing all others who didn't fit into his world view.

Evil is an imaginary word used by people to incite violence. If someone is evil, it's okay to punish them. It's a lot easier than looking at why someone takes the actions they take.

I'm not religious; but I think this is relevant:

"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

Yeah scary that people believe that until you realize

you then have to believe this:

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Keep reading...there's a whole lot more:
http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/

Or...

19 guys got onto planes with boxcutters and commandeered them. The plan is simple, that's why it worked. Learn to fly, get onto a plane with a simple weapon, attack the undefended cockpits, and fly the planes directly into buildings.

Everbody thinks our defenses are invincible, they're not.

But is it feasible?

It's a simple plan, but is it feasible?

Wouldn't the cockpits have been defended by locked doors? Did they pick the locks with their box cutters? And what of the airspace? Wouldn't the hijackers have expected to be intercepted by fighter jets? Our defenses are not invincible, but surely they were good enough to have foiled such a puny plan.

And to what extent could they have learned to fly airliners? Didn't they practice in small planes?

You've already conceded that the government's investigation

was not dependable with this comment from another thread: "I agree that their should be an independent investigation into 9/11." So why would you presume to know what happened that day?

There should be...

Independent investigations are great; but that doesn't mean the government is wrong or not dependable. I presume to know what happened based on what I've read in conjunction with my skill set.

It's what I think happened.

Are we allowed to talk about motives in this case?

I remember people getting jumped on because they questioned why we were attacked on 911. "It doesn't matter." "You can't understand evil." "Stop trying to justify their actions." Ron Paul was one of them.

So you're suggesting the neoconservatives are motivated by power and are willing to do evil to get it?

No (Answer to second question)

I think neoconservatives believe they need power to achieve the greater good.