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Does anyone else find this Bergdahl case fishy?

Aside from the negotiating with terrorists angle, WHY did we give up FIVE high profile prisoners for this deadbeat? Maybe because he's not a deadbeat? I'm beginning to think Bergdahl knew more than he let on, because WHY would so much effort be made fo find him after he walked off? Really. I have no military experience or background, but why would commanding officers put so many at risk to find this guy? Wouldn't they say, "Well, he went AWOL & now he'll suffer the consequences. I'm not going to risk good soldiers for this guy's ass."

Also, they keep talking about how he's in the hospital in Germany & recovering. Well, how much "recovering" does the guy need? When they released those hikers from years of prison in Iran, did they go to the hospital? And, when he gets here, he's going to be re-united with his parents, not going straight to a brig to await trial. Wouldn't most AWOL soldiers not pass Go & go straight to jail?

This is just not sounding logical in my mind. Anyone else getting these fishy signals?

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Because Obama is Closing Guantanamo

In December 2016 we are withdrawing "the last" of our troops http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/world/asia/us-to-complete-.... The only reason I can think that Obama gave up these prisoners is that he intends to shut Guantanamo at the end of the Afghan war. So to get a Bergdahl now for 5 of them is just as good as not getting a Bergdahl for 5 of them later. Theory #2: He is about to order a new offensive on the Taliban and he wanted to make sure they can put up a good fight.

Always watch the other hand.

Always watch the other hand. I'm beginning to think it might have to do with Glenn Greenwald. He announced on May 27 that in about a week, a list of all American citizen names the NSA has targeted is going to be released. I think Bergdahl (although a bad situation) is a distraction.

Obama's main job

is to try and fix the relationship with the Muslims, so they will go along with the one world religion, with the New World Order to finally get all religions into one under the Antichrist, thats my take on it all.

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va acandal

pure politics and lousy decision.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

It seems that

Obama could have offered a 5 to 1 exchange at any time. So why now? The VA seems as good an explanation as any.

Defend Liberty!

This youtube

was very good. Reposting it, lots.

For me, it's why go public?

This action guaranteed a public debate that could've been avoided. I'm not saying that would've been the right thing to do. I am saying, they could've negotiated 2-billion dollars and ten terrorists in exchange for a big-mac & coke, all the while keeping it completely top-secret for "national security" purposes. But that's not what happened. Instead, this was a deliberate choice.

Therefore, this administration must have a damn good reason for pushing this out into the public arena, even if it reflects poorly on themselves.

So why go public? What's the hidden purpose for that? Yes, something does stink!

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

Looks like a wonderful

parting gift for Baghdad Jay Carney.

Imagine having to defend releasing five high profile terrorist in exchange for one U.S soldier that defected on the field of battle and decided to go over to the other side.

That is a tough day at the office. How do ya spin that one?

For the political fallout that will result from this, somebody must want this guy pretty bad. Yea...something stinks.

I thought the same thing..

Carney may have resigned over this decision. Got tired of defending this dumb ass.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Maybe on the day before the end of the Obama administration...

..a thousand Muslim terrorists will attack targets all across the USA, and on his last day, Obama will pardon them as his plane lands in Iran.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Yup,

it doesn't add up.

Had George Bush Negotiated With Terrorists, No Matter The Reason

The media would have crucified him.

This is, so far as I am concerned, an impeachable offense.

By law Congress retains some measure of control over transfers from Guantanamo, and President Obama ignored the law.

I believe Guantanamo is unconstitutional, and had Obama shut it down on that basis I would have applauded, but to me this transfer is a different matter.

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WHY did we give up FIVE high profile prisoners for this deadbeat

We didn't give up anything. They did. Please stop identifying us with them. They ain't us, we is, they is them. They is in Washington. We meaning "us" ain't. We is anywhere but there. OK?

I'm sorry but it irritates the bejesus out of me when DPer's identify with the other side by using "we" instead of "they" or "them." It is important that we maintain an identity as libertarians and avoid the inappropriate use of the word "we."

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Of course

I operate on the assumption that now *every* single narrative that comes out of the corporate press - and *especially* every narrative that has its source in this Executive or any other branch of Fedgov:

I assume that they all are likely deliberate manipulations, if not full blown psi-ops with roots deep within the extremist minds of the criminally insane that infest any and all positions of authority in this civilization, and carried out with the deepest of deep pockets.

Its all part of information war they are now continually waging to confuse the population and get some kind of response out of enough of the weak-minded, low information masses to get enough of the herd riding whatever phony wave they are trying to create to seize more power.

Stimulus -- > Response.

This is the game they are constantly playing. And more often than not - for instance, in this current narrative - the stimulus is not so easy to figure out, nor is the expected response.

"What are they up to now?"

I never take any of these manipulative narratives at face value anymore.

Bradley Manning became a

Bradley Manning became a woman and completely demonized everything he ever said in the minds of the American public.

Manning, Snowden, Bergdahl...all are designed to make anyone who dares to question authority look like a bunch of treasonous feminine queers to the masses.

Those with a brain are in the minority so we don't count, but we're being lumped in with those above by design.

Dare to question the black boots, and you will be demonized into a transgender blowup doll by the media they control.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

The real deal...

“We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to “walk the earth” and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he’s gone. We search everywhere, and can’t find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that’s what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday.”

My take is he deserted his post in combat. Court Martial and Leavenworth. And since when do we negotiate with terrorists?

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/02/soldiers-speak-bowe-...

MSM is all about rotten fish and phony heroes.

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Yes but is it cause for extreme paranoia or just our usual

paranoia?

An almost too trivial explanation is that Obama has been taking shots for the VA all the sudden and wanted to score some brownie points with vets. Getting it rushed through the process would be pure political expediency.

To have picked a potentially tainted subject? I might explain this in terms of a tactical play: save a tainted vet, let the neocons react and then he's turned the tables on them: he's standing up for the vet.

Beyond that, the in-your-face aspect of this combined with circumvention of congress makes this an executive fiat and another precedent for the unified power of a wartime executive.

On those terms it's kind of a can't lose and why not give the cameras a live vet to cover those that die for lack of decent care? He doesn't lose with his core constituency who didn't like Guantanamo to begin with and neither, incidentally did we.

A curious example of the old divide and conquor game at any rate.

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Here's my take. Ready? ... ...It's a Psy-Op...

(this is my comment from the other day in a different thread about it)

I believe Sgt. Bergdahl was purposely sent 'AWOL' by CIA (or military higher-ups) to 'get captured' by the CIA-controlled opposition.

I believe Bergdahl likely volunteered for it.
(Assuming it even happened)

The goal was NOT as simple as exchanging one anti-American p.o.w. for 5 'enemy combatants'. Though as an enemy to the U.S., that was one of the birds Obama killed with this stone.

More important is the psychological operation, and the target is the average American sheeple, to plant seeds in their minds vilifying the Liberty movement/American patriot.

The backstory is that Bergdahl was raised 'off-the-grid', was homeschooled, and taught survivalist techniques as a kid. He is now coming out as anti-war, and even anti-American.

The picture being painted of Bergdahl, and his family is on the surface not very different than your average libertarian, prepper, survivalist, or small-government activist.
That is you and me.

Now the father comes on TV, shoulder to shoulder with Obama no less, and speaks in Taliban language. This further associates the image of the anti-big-government activist with the 'pro-Islamic terrorism' broad-brush label the PTB keep try to paint us with. The Hillbilly/Taliban beard didn't hurt the image.

The idea is to further associate our liberty movement, with 'domestic terrorism'.

While this move most likely helps to wind down the hostilities in the mid-east, it also helps to transition that war here in America, against the liberty movement.

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Interesting

Two points that immediately come to mind:

1) Given the image of this family as "homeschooler / outlier" types, and the associations you are finding with the whole "characteristics of radicalized domestic terrorists" meme that they have been putting out ..

How does open and public support of this family - to the point of bringing them on a Whitehouse TV briefing with POTUS - how does this bolser the narrative that these people are representative of the enemies we should all be afraid of?

The 'establishment' in the persona of the Executive are fully *supportive* of them, to the point that they are blatantly lying (again) about the circumstances of this soldier, circumstances of his release, the legality of the entire operation and etc.

How does this bolster the narrative then?

2) How many people are really going to look hard enough at this incident to make the kinds of associations you just did - if that is indeed the goal of the psi-op.

The masses need to have these associations drilled in. That requires people that are paying enough close attention to get the point they are trying to make.

I think - especially here on this board - most of us would probably say that "Not Paying Attention" would easily one of the most basic, broad brush characterizations of modern Americans most of us here would make if we were hard pressed to come up with the Top 3 Traits off the top of our heads.

In fact it is probably #1 on an awful lot of lists.

3) The whole problem with this narrative being representative of typical constitutional conservatives ... is that this family (at least the father, and possibly the son at this point) is Muslim.

But American born constitutional conservatives ... tend *not* to be Muslim. Quite the contrary. This is well a well known modern cultural reality.

So in that case how does this narrative fit, and how do they expect it then to "catch on" with the easily manipulated, low information mind that they are obviously targeting?

Even those people know that modern American constitutional conservative small government types are almost never Muslim.

I'm not saying you are on the wrong track. But these are questions that would need an answer.

I hope this answers the questions sufficiently.. if not ask more

1) The narrative that all Americans should be afraid of anyone labeled as, or even suspected of being a "terrorist" by the administration has been programmed into the minds of people via the MSM for over well over a decade. Even before 9/11, going back (at least) to Oklahoma City bombing, and Waco.
Having the Obama administration being "supportive" of Bergdahl, does not hurt the psy-op, as most conservative-minded Americans, especially the neo-con types, do not trust Obama, and believe he is a Muslim, and a traitor to the USA. Which he is. And the PTB are playing on that.
When I say the target of the psy-op is the American sheeple, I should be more specific. The "liberal" followers of Obama already go along with the program, and fear liberty minded, small-government advocates. It is more specifically targeting the conservative-minded American sheeple. It attempts to further divide the conservative base, between the libertarians/conspiracy "truthers", and the mainstreamers/not-yet-fully-awakened.

2) It is set up so sheeple don't have to look hard at it, at all. The subliminal messages are visual, audible, and clear. The rest of the programming needed to pick up on the "broad brush labeling" has already been drilled into the heads of the sleeping masses for years.
Those who pay no attention... Well, they pay no attention, so they are already right where TPTB want them... In the dark.

3) Bergdahl's father is NOT Muslim. He is Presbyterian.
But you are right in that it does NOT fit the image of the typical, or average Constitutional conservative American. But the sheeple don't necessarily know that, and that's why the psy-op is needed to make the association.
Also, don't forget, sheeple are still "learning" (being programmed) with every new bit of (dis)info they hear on Foxnews, CNN, etc.
The idea is simple association, and that right there is at the heart of the psy-op.

---The drilling into the heads of the sheeple has continued with constant airing of the psy-op story... Much like they do with all other psy-ops... They air it non-stop on the 24hour news cycle.

---Obama administration is playing it's part for the NWO. They need these types of psy-ops to keep coming, in order to continue to drill into the heads of the sheeple that liberty-minded, anti-war, prepper-types are "domestic terrorists", or at least harbor a similar ideology/mentality. (So expect more MSM stories pushing the idea of "domestic terrorists", in the near future. It is all programming set-up for an eventual false-flag attack to be blamed on "domestic right-wing terrorists".)
This will be used to further divide the GOP for the up-coming elections this year, and in 2016.
In the longer run, as I said, the narrative/precedent is being set to demonize the liberty movement, in preparation for the inevitable conflict between Constitutionalists/American nationalists, and the NWO globalist forces.

Again, look for this narrative to continue, and be further pushed with more psy-ops, BS MSM stories, and more false-flags aimed at pinning the blame on liberty-loving American "terrorists".

-Another bird killed with this stone includes playing to Obama's base, and those who want to close Guantanamo... Which includes myself, and most libertarians... But that's just more deception, as the war-on-terror gets transferred to the "homeland".

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Its an interesting theory

And I can see how the issue could be framed this way.

At the same time I think its rather convoluted logic - not yours - but rather, if we go with the assumption that this is the real plan that was conceived and executed, with the expectation that it would achieve the desired result (continued demonization of anyone advocating constitutionally limited government) ...

It seems a bit off on the messaging. Those signals are not coming through for me.

Instead - the very LOUD message coming off of this is (and especially for the low information barely paying attention sorts):

"The president approved the exchange of five of the most dangerous terrorists we have in captivity, for a guy who deserted his post and probably did so intentionally to take up with the enemy.

His administration is lying. AGAIN. And proving once again (at the very least) to be totally incompetent if not completely irrational"

Any deeper message they are trying to pull of with this is being drowned out by this more obvious, common sense message. And that is exactly what I have heard and seen from anyone who has commented on this in my family, on facebook, in comments and etc.

I think this whole incident is much more likely to piss off most of the people that hear this story - turn them *against* the Feds - and at the very least seriously question the competence and sanity of the people that made the decisions to do this.

In other words - if what you're saying is true - then in my opinion its much more likely to backfire on them than otherwise.

Note that I am not also saying that the scenario you've laid out is actually *not* true. It very well might be the meta-message they are trying to put out, and that it *does* fall in line with the other very deliberate kind of messaging we have seen coming from Fedgov agencies.

I say that because I have come to believe that the kinds of minds and personalities that are behind cooking up these kinds of high-tech psy-ops - and actually plan and execute them - that, rather than some super sophisticated professional mind-controllers - they are simply insane.

ie. This is why so many of the false flags and psy-ops we have seen unfold over the years are simultaneously both convoluted AND sloppy beyond belief.

People who analyze these kinds of things all too often do so with a certain (reverence? awe?) that the planners behind these things have such a sophisticated understanding of human individual and mass psychology that everything they do is some kind of brilliant plan that is bound to succeed - because they are so intelligent and powerful.

But in fact of reality I am coming to believe the opposite.

The false flags and mass media psi-ops only work under certain conditions, and they have their limits. And if they miss the fundamental assumptions - the stimulus they put will not and does not get the expected response.

I actually hope that your theory is correct in this case then.

Because the more they screw up operations like this, the more people wake up and start rejecting everything they hear coming out of DC and associated cronies.

If the kid blows something up

we will know.

Then they can say " Look at how nice we were to this American Citizen and see what he did" well, we'd better start being more cautious with this TYPE of family.

A Case Of Real Life Imititating Art?

Does anyone see an eerie parallel between Sgt Bergdahl's release and Sgt Nick Brody in the hit TV series "Homeland", which coincidentally had been reported in the media to be President Obama's favorite TV show?

Ed Rombach

Don't worry about it.

Just shut up and salute.

Now I found this!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/white-house...

MORE LIES from the White House. The National Security Advisor lying thru her lying teeth. Unbelieveable!! How can these people sleep at night? Oh, that's right, they're lizards & at night they eat young children. That's the only way I can rationalize this. Anyone else have better logic?

Obama is doubling down

On scandals. What better way to distract from the previous one than to create another one.

On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.

Which part - the trading an awol soldier for 5 top

Taliban - or the fact that the Taliban kept him alive for five years.

Is this the first time the Taliban has offered up a trade?

Or how we are supposed to believe a grown man would forget his native tongue after only five years - or how his father would even know he forgot it.

Or how we leave no one behind - unless that no one is in a Mexican jail

Or how we some how knew his health was failing or he was in danger.
Or how this comes out within days of Eric Holder reminding us liberty minded people that we are domestic terrorists.
Or how creepy it was watching Obama grab his mom's ass on the way to the podium(yeh- I know he wasnt - but it was sure close - lol)

Or how it seems Obama knew this would infuriate the military rank and file

Or I could go on and on.