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Walmart Workers Launch Strike in 20 Cities Across America

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I am unclear as to the point

particularly when a 70 year old with no work experience can do almost any job at walmart. Strikes a far more effective when no one else can step in and do your job, or are unwilling to do your job for your wage. Walmart can litterally hire the next thousand people who apply and have no trouble whatsoever.

this goes back to an old lesson

my dad taught me when I was very young... if you take a job for a certain amount and both parties agree, that is the wage you agreed to work for. If you find out Timmy down the street did the same job but got paid more it doesn't matter... you agreed to the wage so you hold your end of the bargain and don't complain.

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

-Thomas Jefferson

Minnesota just raised their

Minnesota just raised their minimum wage to $9.25 an hour. Nobody wins from government forced wage increases.

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Yes, I agree. A root cause is government and inflation caused by the government & fed. Because the cost of living has increased steadily, most Wal-Mart wages are slave wages.

Ok Sooooo What do you want

Ok
Sooooo
What do you want the government to do for these people than???

G-men will get a cut if workers get a raise.

What more should dotGov do!?

Free includes debt-free!

I thought the workers wanted something from Wal-mart,

not the gov't, namely, higher wages. With the wages they receive, many are already getting something from the government, such as food stamps/welfare... money they receive that *you* are paying for.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Exactly.

Entitlements are a corporate subsidy. Their main accomplishment is placate an otherwise vibrant concern with conditions of labor.

News Flash: The Daily Paul Believes in Freedom

I don't understand why someone at the Daily Paul would adopt the conventional view of labor unions. We'd all be working 24/7! There'd be child labor! This is totally false, obviously. Capital accumulation, not standing around making demands, is what made long hours and child labor, which had existed since the beginning of time, go away. Unions have always been a minority of the American workforce, so they obviously can't take credit for our rising standard of living.

I honestly don't understand what someone who just repeats simplistic anti-capitalist propaganda is doing at the Daily Paul, of all places. Did you understand Ron Paul at all?

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Are you referring to Diamond

Are you referring to Diamond Dog? Wait never mind,
I think I found the comment you're addressing...ryno.t1985's?

Individualism-
To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
e.e. cummings

walmart hires everyone....

walmart hires everyone.... and i mean everyone.... no work experience? youre hired! just got out of jail? youre hired! youre 70 years old? youre hired!

one of my closest friends was a meth addict and gang member with no work experience. he got clean and got out of the gang life and got a job at walmart. he busted his ass starting at minimum wage ($8) part time. now hes department manager making $12 an hour full time with benifits and performance bonuses. not friggin bad for only working there for about 2 years. i work for my family business and i didnt even move up that fast. so when people bash on walmart i laugh and share this information with them and it usually opens their eyes a little bit.

.

Yup.

WalMart is a . . .

cesspool.

I'm going to try again, though someone keeps voting me down (below).

What if--

you are a successful, hard-working, self-protective to a reasonable degree, intelligent person with some kind of good basic higher education--

you live in a safe home; you eat good food; you can keep your children satisfied, not just fed.

You can stay married, because you aren't always fighting about money.

You have some leisure, IF you choose.

You wake up the next morning, and you've lost all that. You are in a trailer with black mold, you have a constant cough; you can't afford medicine, even with WalMart's insurance; the idea of using their 401K is a joke--

your children are hungry; your wife/husband, if you could afford to be legally married, has left you, because the fighting has become too intense.

The trailer stinks.

Nobody has had time to take out the trash or to help the children with their homework or with dishes. Forget homeschool, which you did with your previous life, because you had flex-scheduling.

You have no education, because you tested too low even to get into trade school (yes, there are plenty of those). You are easily 'taken'.

You are a vet, but you didn't do well in the military; you have ptsd, and you've barely escaped illegal drugs; many of your family members have not escaped them.

You go to work at WalMart. Have a good day.

You don't show your intelligence by making fun of these people.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Well isn't it a good thing

Well isn't it a good thing that they can, at least, work at Wal-Mart?

Individualism-
To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
e.e. cummings

This is why Unions should not

This is why Unions should not exist. These people are protesting and demanding better wages all on their own. No union needed.

Unions are nothing more than little communist organizations that drive costs up and put a stranglehold on local politics. People are more than capable of banding together to demand whatever they want of their employers without any government involvement or unfair legal advantages.

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Actually the unions are

Actually the unions are behind these protest.

Individualism-
To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
e.e. cummings

So you are saying all the

So you are saying all the power should be in the hands of the employer? They can fire you at will and treat you like crap if they wanted to? You litterly have no rights as a worker. Unions are supposed to keep check on the employer's abuse. If it weren't for unions, you would be working 24/7, no regulations, no child labor laws, and all other work place rules you take for granted today as a result from unions.

You can work for yourself...

...start your own union, go on strike against yourself and screw yourself out of your own pension.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Yes, the power should be in

Yes, the power should be in MY Hands as an employer because its MY business. If you don't like it, go work for someone else or stop being a lazy chicken-shit and put your own neck out there and assume all the risks by starting YOUR own business. Maybe then you'd appreciate how ridiculous is that a bunch of people who are asking YOU to hire them want to turn around and use the government as a club to tell YOU what you can do with YOUR business.

My employees have a right to their life, liberty and property. The only thing I can do is fire them if I feel they are a detriment to MY company that I OWN, STARTED AND ASSUME ALL RISK FOR.

In a free market, you don't have governments making stupid laws, you have free market competition doing that. Instead of giant mega corporations treating you like shit who can never go out of business because of politicians, you'd have smaller companies who have to compete to keep employees by providing good working conditions, competitive wages and other incentives to keep skilled workers from defecting to their competitor.

Government created monopolies are what causes most of the bad working conditions, inflation and shitty wages people are afflicted with these days. Henry Ford, in order to keep his trade secrets and retain workers paid his line workers the equivalent of $4000 a week in today's wages.

If you feel you are worth a strong wage, go out and compete for it, don't ask the government to level force against business owners to get your way. What are you, a communist?

yes the power SHOULD be in the hands of the employer.

the employer is the owner of the business. its HIS property. the worker only owns his labor. the two make an agreement on the price at which the laborer will be bought. this is what is called the equilibrium. two interested parties trading a good/service based on mutual agreement of value. its no different then buying or selling anything else. is them accepting the job not a voluntary act? why is selling labor any different then selling produce? you dont see people at the farmers market bitching that people will not buy a bag of oranges for 50 dollars do you? yes its hard to live on min wage, but the idea that these workers are forced to make these crappy wages is a laughable idea and unions imposing their will upon a property owner is a violation of property rights.

St.Amant, LA...Libertarian Party of Ascension Parish

A corporation

isn't any more of an "individual" than a union. One is pooled capital under a corporate structure, one is pooled labor under a union structure. Both get considerations from the state, and both are conceivable as legally permitted entities without any special state considerations. There's nothing involuntary about unions as such.

I think you might be missing their point..

Employers without employees don't work out so well.

Robot employees and automation will replace 80% of the workforce

Next year, Google is putting over 100 driverless cars on public roads, on the way to 7+ million commercial drivers losing their jobs.

Cab and limo drivers are going to extinction first.

Then do-gooders will notice that human drivers cause 34 thousand deaths every year, and human driving will soon be banned.

That's just the beginning.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

That's between the employer

That's between the employer and the employee. Keep the @#$%ing government out of it. People can organize and demand whatever they want from their boss. Its up to him to decide if they are worth it. Its HIS business. What people cannot do is use the government as a club to force the boss to hire/not hire or tell him what he has to pay his workers. That is a direct violation of an individuals natural property rights.

Unions are an indefensible violation of human rights and spit on everything liberty is about. If a boss is a shitty person and doesn't treat his employees fairly for their labor, he'll soon find himself without employees and without his business to boot. I didn't miss the point in the slightest. As someone who owns a business that has employed people, I understand it perfectly well. If my workers every tried to unionize, I'd fire them immediately, even if my business failed as a result. I can always start another, but I won't let some asshole who volunteered to work for me for a set price bring in thugs to steal my property rights.

Simmer down there tiger..

You may be a great businessman that has employed people, and you may understand it perfectly well...HOWEVER you might want to practice looking up the little squares and seeing where they lead. My reply was not to you, but was in fact a direct reply to ryno.t1985. And even then I don't have any dogs in this fight, I was just hoping to clarify a point that I thought was being made. I couldn't care less as a 42 year old retiree who hasn't been paid a payroll check in almost ten years. Just like yourself, I would fire any and all employees who were trying to unionize and take control of my business.

Keep Governemt Out!

Walmart can pay what it wants but workers can demand what they want. An example of workers demanding what they want is what we see them doing in this video in the form of strikes and protests. If we had a truly free market, one of these workers would be inspired to compete with Walmart on the business model of paying employees high wages.

The real problem with people being impoverished is not wages, it is high prices. Do the protesters watch the news? We are being sold a pile of propaganda that we need to fear deflation and lower prices. They also made up a new word. They say we need to be afraid of "Lowflation". We need to fear low inflation and lower prices. This is obviously a policy to enrich a few at the expense of everyone else.

The people should be protesting Washington and the Federal Reserve for what they are causing and not demanding Washington to force Walmart to pay a higher wage. Keep the government out!

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People Demanding Better Wages & Treatment

Is Smart.

We Demand Higher Wages!

If they think they are worth more than they are being paid, prove it. Find someone who agrees enough to pay them more, and go work for that person.

The Waltons are worth more than $100,000,000,000.00

I just read that the Waltons are the least charitable of the richest of the rich; you could argue they are extremely greedy. They have far more money and wealth than they could ever possibly spend in several lifetimes, and the majority of their employees work for slave wages and live in near-poverty. Many of the Wal-Mart wage slaves, such as those protesting with this strike, probably work harder than all the Waltons combined, yet they're the worst compensated. You argue in a comment above that "the Daily Paul is about Freedom," people are using that freedom to say "Dear Mr. and Ms. Greed, please pay us better!" These striking people are trapped in near-poverty, working for a multinational mega-corporation that makes billions of dollars profit annually from many billions more revenue ⎯ owned by the publicly-known wealthiest family in the world ⎯ and is fully capable to afford taking moderately better care of their workers with better wages and treatment. Quit being pathetic.

Do you understand how money works?

It's difficult to not be insulting, but, you sound like you think they spend their free time rubbing their money all over themselves like an orgasm salve.

They may have a watch on their wrist and pants on their ass. Sam Walton liked overalls. A big shack just employs more bricklayers and carpenters.

You speak of the Waltons taking money, you apparently think is nowhere, and give it to workers. I can't tell if it is innocent ignorance of economics or a childish jealousy of the rich.

The money is in the bank or in investments. DUH. If you take it from wherever the Walton's have it, and give it to their workers, you ought to know it will be taken away from somebody or someplace else.

It's like a weird type of classism that has no logic to it at all.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ