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Should you Leave the USA!?

It comes a point when a country, even one as great as the USA, simply becomes unlivable and thus you have to make that decision to leave. I wonder about the current state of the USA and if it has reached this point already. Clearly to many it has since you can read reports of how many Americans have decided to give up their American citizenship and move to another country.

Take Zimbabwe as an excelent example. It at one point w

as the breadbasquet of Africa. A thriving country. But things went bad and then worse. The British that lived there had at one point to make the decision to leave. There once great home became a living hell.

So for people of the Daily Paul, when is it that you have to pack up and leave? Or would you rather stay no matter how bad it got; even if it included your death?

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It's damn sad...

that there are those who would seek to move away after all we have managed to stand up to, all we have given in our defense of liberty. If you've forgotten what family means, you better think about it a little bit harder. The division of the family unit, not just the family household, is what is being sought. The more of us that leave and refuse to continue the struggle, the less of us remain as cohesive units of love.

I'm 36 years old. Why the hell would I want to move to another country when the best years of my life have been lived out in this one?

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

create freedom elsewhere?

Other countries can be easier to promote freedom. I for example created a libertarian school. It has 300 students. As those graduate they help to spread the message.

I am also not a semi slave paying 30% or more of my life to the government.

But I will not give up on the USA. I believe another method must be found to solve its issues. I expect most here will do what they can and in the most effective means that befits them.

I hear Barbadoes or the

I hear Barbadoes or the British Virgin Islands are nice. If I were to leave, I would choose a warm climate.

Not I

Even if there was enough money to move, the pain of leaving family and friends behind would be worse than anything going on here.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Libertarian Philosophy allows freedom of movement

If you want to move anywhere, go for it! It's your life and you deserve the respect of being able to make your own decisions on where to live. I met my wife abroad and wouldn't have had that opportunity if I lived in a country where you are stuck inside its borders.

Costa Rica?

Costa Rica?

beautiful

but expensive. backpackers traveling in central and south America are always shocked by the prices on arrival. i understand there was a time when this was not true. maybe the sixties or seventies.

I was born in this country...

I'm dying in it! I'll deal with the fleas by right action and written defenses. Documentation by regulation gives us so much power to state what verbally has become censored and marginalized, i.e. Ron Paul.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

look into the world

look into the world passport.. or the kingdom of heaven passport/dl and I agree .. take back your person from the corporate fiction..

Choices

You'll be fine here if your healthy and of sound mind. At some point there will be an absolute overload of the healthcare system, probably most of the systems for that matter. I believe an entire generation of young people will die off as a result of their poor lifestyle decisions.

Perhaps it will come from unnatural chemical or biological means, but history will repeat itself and restore balance somewhere along the line.

I sometimes think that the "Prepper Culture" is only storing treasure for those that will need it later on.

After all how can you prepare for something that will most likely be unseen?

But about myself I will not boast, except as it concerns my weaknesses (2 Cor 12:5). Let the unbelievers seek praise from each other; I wish that which is from God alone.

yes...--IF YOUR A DAMN COWARD!

Seriously... if all Americans thought that way, then what was the point of 1776?

Stay and (maybe)die fighting ? or run and find the safest rock to hide under?

If you live your life like a coward, and a slave. Then go! find a nice little 3rd world nation ,and live out your days.

or maybe you are the coward.

You do dont have the courage to move away from your comforts and attempt life elsewhere.

If liberty isnt spread far and wide by people that have the courage to move, the country and idea that you (and I) so cherish would not exist. The world as a whole must view liberty in a good way.

Remember that these would be the same people that would support both financially and politically an insurgency by those that decided to stay and fight.

Look Man

I'm an old(er) man who has worked damned hard for what I've earned. There comes a point in everyone's life in such a situation whether it's going to be fight or flight, and fightin' tends to be a young man's game unless you are well armed. Voting for who/what you think is right and will protect your property is just a fool's errand any more. We got Obama, didn't we? Now the Zombie Free Shyt Army is loosed upon these United States.

If push comes to shove and a state entity (Feds or US State) confiscates my nest egg / property without due process of law (like, forgetting to file an FBAR....Google it) or even with it, then I might just choose to fight because at that point I got nothing left to lose. Otherwise, I'm just looking to minimize the chances of any interaction with said entity, and might go abroad just to get away from a much more efficient Gang of Thieves.

I've lived abroad (China, Philippines, Saudi for example) and while most countries have a legal code that's at least as bad as the US, the point is, the enforcers are too small/understaffed/underarmed/stupid/lazy/inefficient/ignorant/corrupt to do their jobs and bust your chops. Plus the local populace is generally focused on making their own living and not enacting legislation to get some government thug to confiscate yours. At the end of the day, I just wanna be left the F alone to live my life stoned with substances of my own choosing, in peace and with a modicum of happiness. Moving out might just be the way to do that. Can you blame a guy?

AMEN!

Only cowards would leave this country! Keep voting for the Nazi GOP and the Commie DNC! Its our fault that this country is like this. We keep voting the assholes in office. Isn't liberty worth fighting for? Fucking cowards!

No need to be condescending..

... You do realize that before 1776, the people that created the colonies in the first place FLED from their native lands, of England, Europe, etc. to escape persecution?

There would be no 1776 if they hadn't first done what you're ridiculing people for.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

I don't see it that way

They were in a place that had their laws and b.s for a LONG time. That was how it was there. They decided ( my thoughts on it ) that they needed to find a NEW place that didn't have those b.s. laws in place and once they realized they were following them to STILL rule over them in a NEW land that they would stand and FIGHT.

We are in a country where freedom WAS here and we let it slip from our grasp like complacent idiots. This isn't the country to flee from but rather fight for.

Right now we are attempting to do it by voting and bitching but at some point history will indeed repeat itself and it will come to arms. At that point the 3% will rise up to the battle call and FIGHT for liberty.

Pick your battles and fight them at the right time where victory is guaranteed.

http://shelfsufficient.com - My site on getting my little family prepped for whatever might come our way.

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US territories

There was this other recent thread where there was discussion
of US Territories and Commonwealth as possible options.

http://www.dailypaul.com/318682/anyone-plan-on-moving-to-a-n...

I've been checking into the Northern Marianas as a possibility - it's only
a three hour relatively cheap flight from where I am in Japan, so am thinking
to go check it out at some point - official moniker is The Commonwealth of
the Northern Mariana Islands - main inhabited ones being Saipan and Tinian.

Non-native (interpreted as les than 25% Micronesian or Chamorro) cannot own
land directly - best you can do is a 55 year lease. Electricity is expensive, and
gasoline but local produce is cheap, supposedly. Imported brand name US food products
are available, but expensive. But it's only a 45 minute flight to Guam where all
the Walmart crap is available.

Gun laws are restrictive - but some long guns are allowed (nominally, they are
supposed to comply with the 2nd Amendment, but are not - the GOA says it is
on their radar).

Have heard some people hunt wild pigs with bow and arrow or crossbows.

Lots of windsurfing/scuba diving/kiteboarding & such.

Rents are cheap and they will be voting on legalizing marijuana for medical and (separate measure) recreational use in the next election.

Domestic animals supposedly mostly wander freely.

That, I would take as a positive.

It's a bit small, and the government is supposedly very corrupt, somewhat warmer
than New Hampshire, though... (but go Free Staters! you guys rock)

You got to know when to hold 'em

know when to fold 'em
know when to walk away
know when to run...


http://youtu.be/Jj4nJ1YEAp4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4

If i knew where to go and what to do for a living...

I'd be on the next plane.

anyone have good info that they care to share?

message me or reply to this reply!

I second the English teaching suggestion

If you don't know where else to start. There are agencies that specifically set people up to travel abroad and teach English, so try some Googling and see what happens. You don't even need to be proficient in the native language of the country you're going to in a lot of cases.

If I come across any really good ideas for employment down here in South America I'll be sure to bring it up on my Youtube channel. Subcribe if you're interested in tips and updates:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC57-jqLdp2CDzCcw3MauMFQ

a few younger dudes

i know have gone to se asia (thailand, cambodia or vietnam) and worked as english teachers. there's a course and license you can get here. some will even place you. the money is decent, the living cheap and the beaches beautiful. try it for a year and see what you think. they have various deals in place to get your tourist visa updated every three months. one fellow i know teaches a private family in bangkok and does quite well.

I've been researching for 3

I've been researching for 3 years where to go. Saving up money an as soon as possible i'm outta here. South America for the win. Africa's a little too dangerous. The Western countries and the Eastern countries will probably be at war in the next 10-15 years, their expensive, have too many laws and regulations. South America is going to be moving up over the next 100 years imo. Brazil leading the way and hopefully if Argentina can ever get its act together could pull the whole continent up. Plus they have very cheap fertile land.

If you need reports from the ground,

Follow me on youtube for info on Chile, and soon Paraguay:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC57-jqLdp2CDzCcw3MauMFQ

Yeah, there's nearly

Yeah, there's nearly 300,000,000 privately owned guns here. The fact is that makes us safer from our own aggression than anywhere else on earth. Anywhere you run to will surely be swallowed up under some foreign war pretense long before we're fighting in the streets here.

Leaving is a massive mistake.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

Run away? What will that accomplish?

Why should we leave because of corrupt officials? We have a right to this country as any other. Run and hide away? What will that accomplish? Nothing.

Nothing is worth anything unless you fight or work for it.

A good quote: You either fight and die on your feet or you live as a slave on your knees.

They are pussy cowards thats

They are pussy cowards thats why! Their like Rand Paul fighting for liberty on their knees.

Matt Schutter

You are an overly judgmental punk.

you're forgetting

exploration and adventure, and broadening your horizons. people travel and live abroad for a wide variety of reasons, and with a computer there's still a lot you can do from almost anywhere on the planet.

I hear you, but

There is *just* running and there is running to live to fight another day, and/or
to get to a place/situation where you can fight effectively - as opposed
to fighting in a place or manner that is just going to get you wiped out to
no good effect at all.

Still:

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

― Winston Churchill

Guess he couldn't imagine a situation like the US today where many
people can't even recognize they are enslaved - or if they do don't somehow think it's all that bad..

Too late

I left the USA over a year ago and moved to Shanghai. I havent looked back since. Its hands down one of the best decisions I ever made.