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Rand Paul continues to sell out as 2016 approaches

Drone critic Rand Paul warns freed Taliban there’s a ‘drone with their name on it’

By David Ferguson | Raw Story
Friday, June 6, 2014

Kentucky Senator and Tea Party darling Rand Paul (R) issued a stern warning on Friday to the Taliban combatants freed from the offshore U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay.

According to The Hill, the libertarian-leaning Paul was talking to Fox News’ Your World with Neil Cavuto when he said that if the ex-Guantanamo prisoners are caught plotting against the U.S., “I would say that there would be a drone with their name on it.”

In March of 2013, Paul led a one-man filibuster against the use of drones by the Obama administration.

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Voting for Rand Paul is like voting for Ted Cruz

At least with Ted you know your gettin a phony. When Rand stops selling out and grows a pair then we talk about putting him in the whitehouse. I support Jessie Ventoura for President.

What if we had a candidate as

What if we had a candidate as good as OR BETTER THAN Ron Paul to run for the 2016 republican nomination? If the candidate got into the debates and uttered the same unspeakable truths OR BETTER on national TV that Ron uttered, I think the Love-o-lution could pick up from and go beyond where it left off.

The key was getting the unspeakable truths onto national TV--even if for just 89 seconds out of an hour--because it was the uncontrollable outrage that the unspeakable truths evoked first from the other candidates, then from the media pundits and then from Boobus that sparked the love-o-lution.

If not for this this kind of guerilla warfare/political judo tactic happening by chance, the love-o-lution would never have happened like it did. When Guliani exploded because such truth had never been uttered it was very similar to the gift that Bush gave bin Laden by invading Iraq. THE ACTION WAS IN THE REACTION. The uncontrollable reactions from the TV media pundits were the big reason love-o-lutionaries came out of the woodwork to organize for Ron Paul like they did.

All we need is a candidate. Obviously Rand isn't the guy. But so what? We just have to draft somebody else with the balls to talk like Ron OR BETTER and it can happen all over again.

I disagree.

I disagree.

Totally! The venues of his appearances sell out everytime!

I can't wait for 2016! It's gonna be a crazy Rand-slide!

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Is he even against the wars?

Does he come out against the wars at this point in any explicit way? Or doing away with taxes? Anything resembling a Ron Paul position? Maybe not all of them, but just one or two?

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The people who are going to vote for Rand

Are going to vote for Rand.
The people who are hardcore against Rand
are just hurting the chances of helping this country.

Who is going to help this country?

Name the same people that aren't going to do jack.

Time is running out and we have Rand

You aren't coming up with anything better

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

Good enough is always the enemy. It is how we got in this mess.

It is why Rand will lose.

You CAN'T be just as bad as what we've already got and expect to win unless you are IN the establishment already.


Isn't selling out.

On to the next anti Rand post.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

pardon my ignorance

but in war, is it not expected that people are going to be targeted?

so if a soldier kills then it's fine
if we shoot from a tank, or do an airstrike on confirmed Taliban leaders then it's fine
but if we use a drone then that's a foul?

I just don't understand the argument. his filibuster was for the use of drones on US soil.

are you really saying that we need to capture them, bring them to the states, put them on trial?

do you people know how war works?

so when we drop a bomb on qadaffi's son in Libya, nobody blinks an eye. but if asked how to treat hostiles in a war zone, you expect a different answer?

I know how war works

The first thing you have to do is declare it. You just don't go around killing whoever you want, whenever you want, and wherever you want.

Do you think it's okay for other country's to do that to us?

I hope so because someday we will get ours for what we've done.....

obviously i dont advocate for undeclared wars

i don't advocate for the war in Iraq or Afghanistan.

in fact i don't advocate for any war.

nor do i believe any war is ever necessary.

Chess Match or Continuity?

In 2008, I followed the Ron Paul campaign up until the choice came down to just McCain and Obama.

Unlike most lefties, I could see that Obama was a phony. All the progressives/liberals would just gush over his articulate, smooth manner. They compared him to Kennedy. They compared him to Martin L. King!! But beyond a few rhetorical flashes, Obama was always a walking contradiction -- once you examined his policy proposals. His policies were decidely conservative-Establishment friendly, do not rock the boat, do not alter the shameful Bush-Cheney Foreign Policy too much, protect Wall Street and Monopolies, keep NAFTA going, keep the Drug War going, etc.

The rhetoric was about Change, and "we cannot wait any longer", but the policies were all decidely status-quo, reheated leftover Bush 3rd-Term stuff (as was Hillary Clinton's as well).

This was never more apparent then on the day after his Election Victory, he turned right around and rehired the failed Bush War Secretary (and Iran-Contra figure) Robert Gates that everyone thought the Election had put out of power....."for the sake of continuity". Whaaaaat? . We voted for Change, and instead got continuity????

Yet all the progressives and Democrats would say... oh be patient, he's just playing 11th dimensional Chess. He's beating them at their own game. It's just a big Chess match...he can't change things too fast, so just be patient. He's cleverly creating a "team of rivals" to nuetralize them. We waited and waited on this tortured 'logic'. But there was no change at all. All Obama created was a Den of Theives (with him in full agreement).

Instead we just got more illegal pre-emptive Wars, more Torture (under the radar), more CIA coup's and assassinations, more Government Secrecy, more global violence, more Tax Cuts for the rich, more protection of Wall Street, even unusual extended taxpayer secret service protection for (War criminal) Dick Cheney, and a squashing of International attempts to examine the war crimes of the previous administration. He's even criminalized whistleblowers in this Country beyond anything Nixon ever did.

So after seeing liberals excuse Obama's many horrible actions on account of "He's just Playing the Chess Game" logic -- only to reveal that there was no Chess Game, and no Change at all, I would hate to see people here apply the same tortured logic about Rand Paul.

If Rand Paul tilts toward GOP-Establishment policies, and Drone acceptance he will offer no real change and become a big let down the same way Obama was.

At some point, the only way to beat the Establishment is to take your case directly to the people and get them on your side, and then shine a big light on the Establishment corruption brightly.

So forget the "chess game" excuse. Once the corrupt logic of the Establishment is accepted for one moment you become hopelessly entrapped forever in their Web of lies.

This Country has a scarcity of true reformers. We need to break from the Establishment. Only Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, and Dennis Kucinich ever tried (as Presidential candidates). If either one of them had the looks and charm of Obama, they might well have broken through (as the people liked them).

Fence straddlers have never been reformers in all of history.
You do have to choose which side you are on.

Rand is the best choice

You didn't convince me.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

I agree with people below.

I agree with people below. Rand is playing a large chess match. There is no other way to do it and if you have a better guy, please present him. If things dont change and soon, everything will be alot worse off. I hope I dont have to live through a second american revolution, but if we get another bush or clinton or anyone else in 2016, we might as well build bunkers and wait for it. Rand is the only person in any position to even attempt to gain the white house. If he has to play some to get there, then so be it. He cant possibly be worse than any of the other likely candidates and like I said, if you have a better person, present him or just be quiet.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

You're waiting

'til 2016 to see what happens to build your bunker?

Better prep now. SHTF is coming, Rand or no Rand.

Our family's journey from the Rocket City to the Redoubt: www.suburbiatosimplicity.com

Would you vote for Romney over Obama?

I don't care if he's the "best" guy to vote for. The truth is, it is becoming quite apparent that he is not a true liberty advocate. If elected, he might increase liberty (or more likely hold the line on decreasing it) in some areas, but would actively work to reduce it in others. This is unacceptable. I don't want a mixture of filet Mignon and sh*t, I want filet Mignon.

Come on

You guys just want to talk about things that aren't going to happen.

Rand is your choice

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

If you havent noticed, an all

If you havent noticed, an all or nothing approach wont work period.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Well come on people, dont

Well come on people, dont just vote me down, point out to me just where an all or nothing approach has EVER worked in politics?

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

those comments...

are delusional and vile.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

One needs only to observe

how closely Jesse Benton and Tygreve Olsen have stayed to realize Rand will merely be a distraction in the next race. How anyone can sit back and ignore the connotations of such an obvious theater of the absurd is beyond me. A wise man once said "Those who choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it" and even a cursory inquiry into either of those jackals should cause an intelligent individual to take pause and consider why Rand would be anywhere near them politically. The fact that Benton is family and his actions in Ron's campaign should really cause concern. Mitch is merely a buffer for the plan.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

He's a Senator

He's playing a much higher stakes game and rules are different than for his father. He isn't perfect but you can tell by the hatred the political establishment has for him that he is very effective. Look what just what happened in Europe, they are all terrified that the same thing could happen here.

Those words remind me of

Those words remind me of Obama supporters ...

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge


That is a bunch of baloney. Rand isn't a sell out.


Rand Paul is not selling out. In fact, his policies are exactly inline with the primary role of the United States federal government, and that is to defend the United States. What you are assuming is that because Rand is willing to use drones that he's also willing to start un-constitutional wars, which clearly isn't case. Also, his support for drone usage in killing an "armed" robber really isn't a federal issue, and he knows that.

Look, I've witnessed many in the DP community attack Ron Paul because they felt he would gain more ground if he would just word what he said a different way to win over mainstream Rs. And I'm not talking about changing his ideology. Now, here we have is son, who has stated several times (along with his father) that his is more like his father than we realize, and doing exactly what he needs to do in order to win, and you're attacking him too?

Do you actually want to win the nom, or do you just want to complain until we are under complete tyranny? Do you want a real libertarian to win the 2016 election, or do you just want the continue to be the outsider that makes little difference?

Rand Paul has a chance to win. Use the corrupt system to change the system.

I Stand With Rand.

I Stand with True Libertarians!

Fire Rand 2016!

I stand with the only

Contender we have

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

you are the type of voter that

Voted for McCain because he can beat Obama or voted for Mit cause I dont want Obama. Tell me why your standing with Rand not the contender. That is beeing a sheeple with no brain.

I am backing Jessie because he would get out of the wars
Jessie would honor the constitution
Jessie would go after the fed
Jessie would veto unconstitutional bills
Jessie would fight the Nazi Gop and the Commie DNC
Jessie would exspose the corruption
Is jessie going win if he runs No but that does not mean I shouldnt vote for him!

Stand with True Libertarians!
Fire Rand 2016!

I would vote Ventura

If he doesn't get slaughtered about his conspiracy theory's in the media.
I don't see him getting traction with the masses after they make him look unfit to be president.
I like him, but that is my prediction.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

I am the type of voter ....

That has been registered republican since 2006 (to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries) and have never voted for anyone but Ron.

So you have me summed up perfect.

I just see it Rand or nothing.

Probably just nothing, but I don't believe anyone else that is relevant will turn this country around.

Once Rand isn't involved, this movement will possibly fade.

I don't want it to fade, but it probably will.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.