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Rand Paul to Discuss ‘Need for Immigration Reform’ w/ Grover Norquist

WSJ: Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) voted against the Senate’s comprehensive immigration reform bill last year, but on Wednesday he plans to “discuss the need for immigration reform.”

Mr. Paul will join former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s Partnership for a New American Economy’s monthly series on immigration reform hosted by Grover Norquist.

Mr. Paul, who is openly considering mounting a 2016 presidential campaign, opposed the Senate bill and the prospect of “amnesty.” Mr. Bloomberg is, of course, one of the leading proponents of immigration reform, which the Partnership for a New American Economy aims to promote.

“He’s just going to talk generally about his ideas that he pushed in the Senate bill and some of the problems with the Senate bill and why it made so difficult to pass,” said Mr. Paul’s spokesman, Brian Darling. “There’s not going to be anything different in his message tomorrow that he hasn’t said already a million times.”

That message has been one in stark opposition to the Senate’s comprehensive reform bill – and still left Mr. Paul open to some kind of agreement.

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Kathleen Gee's picture

I'm in favor of scrapping the whole system, not reforming it.

There are millions of highly skilled, highly educated people with integrity who want come here, get work, get married, become productive Americans. The ones who try to do it legally are treated like dirt and the illegals are coddled, fed, clothed, housed...

Why, in the age of the Internets, does it take 2 years for a background check? Why are families and spouses kept apart for months and years at a time when they try to actually do the right thing and follow the law?

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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The only reform we need

Is more deportations and preventing people from coming here illegally in the first place by guarding the damn border. I'm sick of hearing about this issue. If the law was being enforced there wouldn't even need to be talk of "reform" in the first place.

Kind of like all we need to

Kind of like all we need to do is enforce the drug laws and the War on Drugs would be won, right?

The "law" is corrupt.

STOP social/welfare handouts and the problem will be drastically reduced. In a free society, there is no such thing as "illegal" or "undocumented" people if they have committed no crime in a court of law.

Enforcing the "law" is promoting the corrupt system of taxation without representation, forced social security as opposed to choice in retirement/investment, etc. The recent trend in "securing our borders" is to promote Biometric ID which is listed 40 times in S. 744, and at a cost of $25+ Billion to implement.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

welll.......

I bet he wishes he had never decided to speak about this.

after Brat

I seriously doubt Rand will be looking at any type of Amnesty. The people have spoken loud and clear and I'm sure Rand is very much in tune to what just happened.

Dave Brat during his campaign also brought up the issue of

excessive high-tech immigration that has resulted in many highly qualified, highly educated Americans not able to find work in their technical field of expertise, but Rand Paul still supports bringing in even more foreign engineers into our distressed job market. When the Department of Energy is filling GS-5 level positions that pay $34 -44,000/year with PhD engineers (mechanical, chemical, and electrical) there is no rational reason to bring more engineers here to work. I'm all for a free market, but imposing free market principles on labor in our highly crony corporatized economy will result in even more Americans unemployed or underemployed and getting government assistance to survive. Rand Paul, as well as our other liberty politicians, should focus on getting rid of the many unFree Trade treaties, corporate welfare programs that encourage companies to move overseas, and excessive regulations that favor corporate America over their smaller competitors before supporting implementing free market principles to the labor market. (Note: Sen. Rand Paul voted to extend the highly corporatized trade agreement with South Korea and Colombia, as he continues saying he supports free markets. He is sounding alot like the many elected corportists/globalists that have screwed up our job market while governing for their large campaign contributors... Sen Rand Paul did make a fund raising trip to Silicon Valley right after announcing his support for increasing high tech immigration.)

Scott

Michael Nystrom's picture

"Kill the chicken to scare the monkey"

i.e. Kill the weaker enemy to scare the stronger one

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Ahem, the ONLY reform of

Ahem, the ONLY reform of immigration required is impeachment of both the Attorney General and President Obama so the borders are lawfully enforced. Notice the timing of Holder's flood of illegal invaders in a desperate attempt to coerce the US Congress into passing biometric identification and amnesty at astronomical cost to the American taxpayer. At the very least, I WANT gun-runnin' Holder behind bars!

Michael Nystrom's picture

On the other hand...

The borders have been open for a long, long, long time. Certainly since Reagan.

America's corporatists wanted the illegals here. They wanted to hire them, because they were cheap. Housing, farming, restaurants, hospitality - they all rely on illegal immigration.

The illegals are what gave us the boom! All that cheap labor? How could you not have a boom. Cheap labor here, and cheap labor in China.

Corporations love that.

Since the Corps wanted that the Feds winked and nodded in at direction.

"Turn a blind eye to the illegals!" The government said. And so they rushed in.

It wasn't their fault. They were acting on libertarian principles. Ignoring governments! Following the market. There was a market for their services. So they acted in their own best interests, government laws be damned!

If I'm honest, there is no way I can blame them. If I were in their situation, I probably would have done the exact same thing.

Illegals are people who should be honored and admired for their tenacity, their drive, and their reckless disregard for stupid government laws! In short, Illegals should be honored for their libertarian instincts.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

True, the borders have been

True, through political design our borders have been leaking for a long time. Johnson's "Great Society" played a big role in attracting them. I do blame illegals regardless as they're breaking our laws against illegal entry as any unprincipled carpetbagger would in search of a handout. Illegal aliens are criminals, neither a group to be lauded nor respected. My garden sure looks attractive to the hungry, too, but I first expect to be asked or risk trespassing with its concomitant consequences.

So what you are proposing as "legal"

are people who are required to register and participate in government force; taxation without representation, forced social security (as opposed to voluntary and/or alternative retirement/invesment methods), etc.

In a free society, there is no such thing as "illegal" or "undocumented" people. Nobody should be "documented", RFID'd, etc. unless convicted of a crime in a court of law.

The pro-Liberty/Constitutional solution that nobody is talking about is:

STOP free/social handouts to those coming in. This will inherently and drastically reduce the number coming in who expect a free handout. Those who do come in will work and become productive members of our society.

The right/left paradigm who are pushing for immigration "reform" are the very ones who wish to strip people of their freedom. Biometric ID (S. 744) will cost at minimum $25 Billion to implement, and in order to differentiate "us" from "them", it will be only a matter of time before ALL Americans will be forced to be ID'd and registered in a central govt. database.

The system is flawed/rigged, and most people buy into it due to lack of thought/knowledge. Until we start to discuss this out in the open, nothing will ever change.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

By that logic...

…you must also blame pot smokers for "breaking our laws."

Michael Nystrom's picture

Ok, let's see if Rand gets on that

Chop chop!

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.