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The best thing about the original jam session

The best thing about the original jam session (which by the way now is closed) is that everyone voluntarily checked their weapons at the door. They came in to chill, and share.

That was the best part. It was healing and transformative, not the usual fighting with each other like dogs, and pushing agendas of various factions.

The bright spot about it is that it was fun. We need more fun around here. Otherwise it feels like walking in here to DP world and getting clobbered in every direction from bad news.

Why do people love to focus on bad news? If you can choose to shift your focus, why not shift it to something good? Encouragement. Sharing. Kind words for one another.

The Jam Session was a transformational part of the Daily Paul.

I hold out the hope that there truly are more creative people like her here.

We're boiling them down.

The crowd is getting intimate.

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Addendum: I would be remiss if I did not mention that we now have a new Jam Session thread, headed by JohnCarter444: Time for My Nightly Jam Session II thread.

Not to mention Cyril's Eargasms thread.

And Dice's Classical Music Thread

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SteveO24's picture

The Excitement

The excitement of entering the jam session and never knowing what songs you were going to find. So many different varieties of music in there you just never knew what you'd stumble upon. I loved em all and I loved sharing too. And of course the host jrd she really made it a fun and special place to be. Thank you for such good times!

Michael Nystrom's picture

The other nice thing

Was that jrd actually listened to all the songs, at least in the beginning, before it got so popular and crowded.

It was a meaningful place. It was a place of care and love.

Then people started bringing the weapons in. And then the problem arose, as it arises again and again, and has been documented, both in online communities and off. Clay Shirky's description of Communitree applies equally well to the original Jam Session.

The place that was founded on open access had too much open access, too much openness. They couldn't defend themselves against their own users. [emphasis mine] The place that was founded on free speech had too much freedom. They had no way of saying "No, that's not the kind of free speech we meant."

But that was a requirement. In order to defend themselves against being overrun, that was something that they needed to have that they didn't have, and as a result, they simply shut the site down.

Same problem with the Daily Paul. Before shutting down the site, I decided I'd first try shutting the door.

The problem is, I shut the door with some assholes still on board.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.
jrd3820's picture

Why Hello To You

Easter 2013. That was one of my favorite memories of the jam session. I was living out in LA, but as you and some others around here know, most of my immediate family is in MI. I had overslept two of my Easter options out there in LA and woke up and thought…. ‘man this is going to be lonely’ and off to the DP I went. And there it was; the jam session; already up and going and top of the most active list, and everyone was stopping by to say Happy Easter to the DP and or each other and how could I possibly be lonely when that many people were sharing joy and happiness and whatnot in that thread? And I wasn’t lonely.

Or Rocketman. Rocketman gave me a hard time once in a thread in my early days of DP posting. When he first started frequenting the jam session I wasn’t quite sure what to do with him, I knew he wasn’t necessarily fond of me, but I also wanted him to feel welcome, so I told him he was welcome in there and left him alone for a while, but we started sharing a video here or there and before you know it we had formed a pretty close friendship. When I was in China and had come back to the DP for a brief visit he was so happy to see me, and I was happy to see him of course also, but it was funny because he was actually chatty which was way out of character for him. He used to always play Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress for me, and he would often have special Good Morning videos for me along with DP Good Morning videos.

Yes, it is true; at one point I listened to every song in there, but even towards the end I think I was still batting 70-80%. That was as much for my benefit though. I found this guy named Nahko in there and that was the only song played by him in there, just the one….had I skipped over that I would have missed out on one of my favorite artists I have found in a long time.

It’s interesting that you brought up the Shirky piece again. I did read it twice, and once I even made small connections to the jam session, but you are right, that is pretty much what happened. Has said I shrugged…. I don’t know that I was necessarily Atlas, but in a way, yes…. But there was more to it, it was loading slow, and it is hard to navigate to the middle, and well….The time had come my friend to talk of many things….of shoes and ships and sealing wax and little birds with wings.

In a way I guess I had a mini version of the DP on my hands with that thread. It needed tending. The best people on the whole internet could be found in that thread and I hope they all find their home in Johncarter’s new thread, and I can’t thank him enough for stepping right up and taking the reins because I was tired and he stepped in. Kinda waitin' for Mountaincat to show up one of these days so I can make sure he finds his way to the new jam session. He made 73% of his DP comments in the jam session. He is such a kind, smart, wonderful guy and I don't want him to not have a place to post his bluegrass gospel Sunday morning sets. They are so unique and an important part of the music scene here.

Jrd...just wanted to pop in

Jrd...just wanted to pop in to say hi. I haven't been around much. It's amazing how the world carries on even when you're not tuned in. Hope I didn't miss out on anything too important.

Anyway. Hello. Carry on now.

jrd3820's picture

Unknownuser!

Hi, I had noticed you hadn't been around in a while. I hadn't either until a few days ago. I took a few weeks to unplug, but decided in the meantime it was time to retire the jam session. It was so old, and tired! There have already been a few new music threads going so the music world at the DP is in good shape.

I hope you are having a nice summer so far. I plan on unplugging again here soon if I don't see Mountaincat around these parts in a few days, I would like to say Hi to him because I haven't seen him in a while.

Hey, until I do unplug again (and even after) a few of us are playing a word game kind of like words with friends that Jon made. It is here if you want to join us http://anadro.me/login you can sign in right from your gmail account if you have one or fb. Has, John Robb, Chris, Walter, Mdefarge and of course Jon are all over there. I am there as Jen D. If you ever want to play come find me and if I am plugged in I would love to play with you.

Yes, the internet world keeps turning no matter who is signed in or not, but sometimes it is nice to take a break wouldn't you agree?

Again, hope all is well with you and that you are having a nice summer.

Michael Nystrom's picture

A mini version of the DP

That's just what I was thinking, too. You're tired, I'm tired. You just wrapped it up and got your walking boots on. Good. I like your style.

I saw a picture of Boy George in a music magazine today with a quote of him saying, "When you're young, you feel like you have a right to be who you are," and I thought it was an awesome quote.

Here's one for you, until the next time I see you around these parts:

Dylan: If You See Her, Say Hello

(Always have respected her / for doing what she did and getting free)

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Just Catching Up with You All Here...

...and I LOVE this thread! (is that what it's called? LOL)

Thank you Michael for turnin' me on to that awesome music site.

Gotta go do some chores...it's busy here this time of year for me.
But tonight........
......here's where I'll be, thanks to you.
http://grooveshark.com/s/Tonight+I+ll+Be+Staying+Here+With+Y...

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I understand the sentiments

and I love the jam session. However, I am not opposed to arguing and healthy debate. Senseless ad hominems, yes, but disagreements, no. Especially since everyone is here voluntarily. Many people love to argue and discuss and that is their version of fun. Some people love to sing and dance in a happy circle, and some people love competitive sports. There is room for both here, I think. Perhaps your main sentiment was that there was too much competitive arguing and not enough cooperative sharing and healing. With that, I agree. A healthy balance is always nice.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Michael Nystrom's picture

That's fine and all, for what its worth

I'm not opposed to arguing and healthy debate, either. That is what the internet is for.

Most of it, unfortunately, amounts to masturbation and lonely people blathering to themselves to prove to themselves and the world that they exist. But that is a problem that runs deeper than the Daily Paul.

All I was saying is that there was a nice place for people to go and chill and relax without always having to be on guard that someone was going to squirt their jism on them for accidentally saying that America is a "democracy" instead of a republic.

Or just having a place to chill without worrying about people being called a "statist" because you mentioned that you checked a book out at the library.

Just one place. One damn place on the Daily Paul where idiots aren't going to blast you with their opinion.

(Like I just did)

(Sorry)

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I second that emotion.

I second that emotion.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

freedom is a fulcrum, a stable thing upon which we ride

I've been known to throw my hat in the ring here and there. As a matter of fact I've done a bit o' that just this week with my impersonally personal DP nemesis. Good sport, yes! I've really enjoyed jam session though, as relief from all the debate thang. It's been a haven of Nystromism. I've never known anyone there to say, "That song sucks!" Yes it did often provide an emergency ramp toward balance. :D

Michael Nystrom's picture

And since people checked their weapons at the door

Comments didn't get downvoted, at least not in the early days.

Downvoting is a form of weapon: "I don't care about your comment. I just don't like you so I'm going to downvote your comment."

It is a form of terrorism for the sensitive. They see that little down arrow, and a shot of pain goes right through their gut.

That didn't happen in the early days. Not in the jam session.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

No weapons here... ;)


http://youtu.be/xJpfK7l404I
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...yet still jamming the signal! ;D

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Don't know why

But this came up. I liked that a lot ^^


http://youtu.be/bw2o_Go4QWI

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

That's right up there with M

That's right up there with M as being a brilliant choice of song to follow suit [conscious or not ;)]. I can't remember if I bought that album or not back then. I think I did but never sank my teeth into it. All I remember is the band Big Country having the hit song Big Country from their album Big Country, and the only lyrics I ever remembered were "in a Big Country". That was released at the height of my taste and craving for that Scottish and Australian pop sound, Aztec Camera, Red Rockers, etc. Big Country was a very worthy flash in the pan. One of my favorites at that time was a band that totally blew me away with their live show...

http://youtu.be/NVQCpI4GbKQ

M: Where can we post our music? - Jen: All over!

...This is likely to turn me into HVACTech overnight! :D

http://youtu.be/YBfs00pLbc4

Glad all over.

...Yeah, sure, John Robb. I totally get what you mean - the obvious connection between that twangy Western guitar, being left for dead by some pyromaniac, and switching careers to become a HVACTech! Good one! [anyone have a clue what he's talkin' about? any idea, Essie?]

http://youtu.be/P94S8IAv94w

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

yummy yummy yummy I got M in my tummy

Keeping in step with the OP here, you wereare certainly one of the best things about the original JS as you always mademake me feel glad all over. You are among the purest agents of Nystromism.

In case you really don't have a clue, HVACTech was a DP member known for commenting everywhere on the DP simply with music videos. He had his own continual jam going on, and he spread it wherever he went [often to the consternation of the likes of BILL3 ;D].

Here, There, and Everywhere

Ah! I get it. See, there's "the" HVACTech and "a" HVACTech, i.e., any heating, ventilation, and air conditioning technician. I do remember HVACTech, just not in that way. I'd had conversations with him. I see now he's gone. :( I liked him. [Heck, realizing his posting songs all over the place irritated certain members, I like him even more. ;D]


http://youtu.be/VdCKdwxWGt4

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

You're a chiropractor.

That song has never wrenched me so deeply.

Your Muir quote too, plays a part in it. :)

I'm still in js mourning

but I'm sure I'll get over it. Heck, before long I'll probably forget the jam session ever existed! [m can be heard softly weeping in the background] I do appreciate johncarter444 taking the reins. Sooner or later I'll make it over to [sniff] his place.


http://youtu.be/rVYuGVdGhhE

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I'd prescribe some Reggae Therapy at 432 hz to ease the pain

I hope this helps you feel those healing, positive vibrations, Mon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJWsS8VuFNA

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

head trip

"Baby's in Black" [no offense Jen] makes me think of Wes.

Thank god To live is to Fly is a much better song than that one he plagued her with.

I finally took the plunge over at Carter's joint. He seems to cut back on his own postings as others post. I'm currently having fun jamming Tom T. Hall and Patti Smith with VR.

Can we go back and search for music on old Jam Session?

I always liked to scroll through it and find stuff I hadn't listened to yet, or looked for a certain video.

It remains published...

and searchable.

and search for a certain video
One nice thing now, is that the page numbers won't change. :D
One could even create an index. ;)

and thanks oodles for the Courtney Barnett!

Michael Nystrom's picture

Some people have an Atlas Complex

They carry the full weight of the world on their shoulders, and more, everywhere they go. They never put it down.

The jam session is a softening agent for people with Atlas Complexes.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

While weeping Atlas cedars...

Jamie Brockett ~ Remember The Wind And the Rain


http://youtu.be/k_1wPfrSlCY

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

jrd3820's picture

It's all over now Baby Blue

Goodnight Dailypaul.


http://youtu.be/Uz9BAE1FZGM

Michael Nystrom's picture

Why hello.


http://youtu.be/zkH3PdDZZuA

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.