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Drudge Report Red Alert: Rand Paul joins the Amnesty movement (secure border then do amnesty)

WASHINGTON TIMES: "Sen. Rand Paul on Wednesday waded deeper into an issue that has proved perilous to some of his GOP colleagues, throwing his political weight behind an establishment lobby effort to get Congress to reform the country’s immigration system this year.

Mr. Paul, a libertarian-leaning Republican from Kentucky and possible 2016 presidential hopeful, participated in a telephone conference call to conservative and business leaders in favor of immigration reform in an effort brokered by anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, The Washington Times has learned.

The business group, the Partnership for a New American Economy, immediately blasted an email Wednesday evening to supporters crowing that Mr. Paul had formally joined its pro-reform effort.

The timing of the call only heightened the potential stakes for Mr. Paul just one day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was shockingly ousted from office in the Virginia Republican primary in favor of a little-known college professor.

Tea party activists who whipped up a get-out-the-vote effort for Mr. Cantor’s opponent said they were motivated by the incumbent’s advocacy for immigration reform, actions on Obamacare and vote to raise the nation’s debt ceiling.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/11/exclusive-ra...



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Kathleen Gee's picture

Rand Paul: I do not support amnesty

From Rand Paul's OpEd in Breitbart, June 12, 2014:

I am for immigration reform because I am against allowing 12 million more illegal immigrants into our country. If we do nothing, 12 million more illegal immigrants will come. We must be in favor of reform—smart reform that starts with border security.
Characterizing that position as "amnesty" is simply untrue.
What we have now is a lawless border. Current policy is a beacon for more illegal immigrants. The Obama administration’s lawless executive orders legalizing people who came here illegally will only encourage more illegal immigration—unless we act now with real, strong, verifiable border security.
I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable. I voted against the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration reform bill because it did not secure the border first. I will only support reform that has border security first as verifiable and ascertained by Congress, not the president. [...]
I do not support amnesty, which is why I don't support our current system with no border security and a blind eye to the problem.
I support legal, not illegal, immigration. We must embrace immigration and immigrants, and we must recognize that our country has been enriched by those who seek the freedom to make better lives for themselves. However, our current system is broken, and we cannot move towards reform until our border is truly and fully secure.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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Keep out the immigrants

This country was founded by white Europeans, not Native Americans and brown Europeans.

Check out http://ronpaulforums.com for activism and news.

Is the Border meant to keep people out or in?

Look around the world and history. Borders have been used to keep both people out of a region and also in it. Most do both. Any worthy dictator knows that the first thing he must do is secure the borders. That way it doesn't matter how oppressed you are (North Korea), you have no choice but to accept it.

Also keeping people out is an interesting concept. Personally if I were to pursue a dictatorship role that would be on the top of my list. You don't want any "variables" coming in creating "crazy" ideas of freedom and stuff. That would be no good.

It is the STATES duty to secure their own borders.

Another nail in the republican coffin.

The federal government only gets in the way;

States need to rearm their militias (citizens) and let them take care of it. It's their responsibility.

The federal government cannot govern police outside the 10 miles square of Washington DC.

READ IT: Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788:
In Full: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/americanpatriotpartynewsl...

The underlying problems of employment in the US isn't illegal aliens;

It is ridiculous regulations on private business and zoning laws that limit and prohibit growth;

Outlaw zoning and get rid of government fees to start and operate private business and there would be no unemployment.

Read Also The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798, in response to the federal "Alien and Sedition Act" laws once passed by the Federal Legislature and then NULLIFIED:

In Full: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/candidates

American Patriot Party.CC
http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc

Educate Yourself. Educate Others.

RichardTaylorAPP - Chair - American Patriot Party.CC

John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

Schumer

Schumer and Rand support "securing the border" and amnesty of course.

Did Drudge take it down? I

Did Drudge take it down? I just looked now, and all I see on Rand is on the top left:

"UPDATE: Rand Paul says secure border first..."

Demcocrats

Democrats and Rand say "secure border first"

Yes, Drudge took the initial

Yes, Drudge took the initial "red siren" headline down but it was up for similar time that any big headline is up...guessing 6-8 hours or so.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

The Border

just curious, who is paying for this?

"Strong border security includes using cutting edge technology. Satellites, physical barriers, screening to bar criminals and terrorists from entry, increased patrols on the border—and yes, surveillance drones—all should be part of a comprehensive plan to physically protect the border."
-Rand Paul
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/12/Op-Ed-Sec...

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-border-fence-could-be-used-...
and so if a fence could be used to keep us in, what about this other stuff?

Bump

Bump

I am for immigration Rand-form.

Nothing inconsistent with Ron here anyway. It is all about saturating Texas and Arizona with names for the Democrat vote rolls. Default registration to the Democrats is what people should be revealing.

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Rand: Cantor lost because of his big spending & stand on NSA

I'm not so sure that immigration didn't play at least some roll in Cantor's defeat. Dave Brat specifically ran on an anti-immigration platform.
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Rand Paul cites NSA and debt ceiling as reasons for Cantor's loss.
June 11, 2014 | 5:09 p.m. EDT + More

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., had a message for Republicans ready to abandon a push for immigration reform in the wake of House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s jaw dropping loss: not so fast.

“I think it is a mistake to try to paint it and decide that one issue decided this,” Paul said of Cantor’s defeat during a conference call with reporters Tuesday.

“It’s complicated with local races,” Paul said. Instead, he pointed to Cantor’s vote to raise the debt ceiling and his full-throttled support of the NSA’s spying program as reasons the House leader was vulnerable.

Paul argued Cantor’s loss did not change the necessity for the Republican Party to push for immigration reform in 2014. Nor did it make him nervous to rally behind reform.

“Everywhere I go, I say 'I am for immigration reform,'” Paul said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/06/11/rand-paul-can...

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"Reform" is NOT Amnesty!!

What's wrong with reforming the process of legal immigration?

I for one, can testify to the quagmire of legal immigration! I went through the hoops with my ex-wife with the Fiancé Visa process and it takes up to 9 months if not over a year to legally immigrate to the US.

It is such a quagmire to do things Legally, that most simply get married and skip the entire legal process. In Fact, when we went in to an appointment in Florida, doing things Legally and providing all the correct documentation was so Confusing to even the staff, that the security guard didn't even allow us to enter the Building!!

After raising hell and my voice, the manager was finally called over, and said, "Oh Wow! We have never had anyone do this legally before! We're sorry for the confusion, it just our security guard has never seen this done the right way! Most people are already married when they walk in the door and apply after the fact"

I looked around at the line of a hundred or so couples, and thought, how can all these Assholes not be made to go through the same hoops that I did.

If I had to jump through all that crap, and prove relationship, and wait over 9 months to get married, only to be given "permission" to get married after that, and given 90 days to solidify my decision to Wed, then something needs to be done. If the other couples got to skip the entire first half of the process by just getting married, then something needs to change. I agree that a man and significant other should be able to Wed under God and not need permission from the Government. However the process, if done legally, does not provide fair time or treatment for that.

Given the process I went through, I can imagine why those who choose to come here illegally continue to do so. Its a fricken Quagmire! Just walking across the border makes it so much easier and eliminates the bureaucracy. There needs to be something in place to make things easier and more efficient to legally immigrate to eliminate the thought that just walking across is the best answer.

So YES, I am all for %100 REFORM, and I support Paul on this issue.

*** And for the armchair warriors who simply down vote this post and move on...why not comment why you down vote instead and be human enough to voice your own opinion on why my experience should not constitute the need of immigration reform? Or do you have no real opinion or experience on the issue firsthand and you simply allow the word Reform to frighten you, or to be misconstrued with the word "Amnesty?" To those who down vote without voicing an opinion, you are a bunch of Chicken Littles!!

Drudge sensationalized the headline for the Rs and Ds

Drudge sensationalized the headline for the Rs and Ds.

How did Rand's position change overnight? From what I can tell, it didn't. But Drudge and MSM are doing their best to get the neocons to discard Rand with their coverage because they know he has some momentum and he doesn't fit into their perfect little box of what a "GOP" candidate for president should look like.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

Many Sunday Patriots here?

Many Sunday Patriots here? Sure looks like it! Making a phone call, discussing issues E GADS!!!!!! He's now a liberal, progressive Democrat!! You guys are idiots. How can one make an INFORMED, RATIONAL and INDEPENDENT position if one does not listen to both sides and discuss issues.

Some of you are no better and possibly worse than the progressives as you are acting just like them. You would cut of your nose to spite your face! You keep waiting for another Ron Paul while Rome burns. It took a long time to create this mess of a gooberment and it'll take some time to dismantle it. There is no one that we can elect that will end all of the bad as people need to be deprogrammed from the government teat.

I'm concerned that Rand may

I'm concerned that Rand may be making a mistake with this. If I were him, I'd wait until the general election to move in a more libertarian direction...at least in the areas where libertarianism differs from conservatism.

At least Rand will likely have full support of the wider libertarian movement after this instead of mostly just the paleos (a fraction of libertarians).

Misrepresentation

He's said, 1. secure the border 2. increase the # of work visas to match demand so people don't have to sneak over anymore, but this way workers can be documented & monitored 3. don't grant blanket amnesty to anyone

What's wrong with that?

What's wrong? Here's what's wrong...

Work visas should be hard linked to the number of workers needed in the economy... With 12 million unemployed and another 8 million underemployed, there should be a general moratorium on all work visas and green cards for people coming to the U.S. to work for an employer. The economy is barely creating enough new jobs to keep up with the current level of legal immigration... the number of unemployed will never return to pre-2008 financial crash levels if we keep oversupplying the economy with workers as we have been doing. From 2008 to 2012 the U.S. economy created 6 million new jobs...unfortunately 5 million work visas were issued during these same 4 years. Many who support increasing legal immigration with our job market in such bad shape, also complain about the number of Americans on government assistance. If you want government assistance to be reduced significantly, quit supporting oversupplying workers so that the unemployed can find work and many of the low-wage employed have better opportunities to make enough money to live without government assistance.

There should also be a moratorium on high tech immigration visas and green cards... our universities graduate many more students in STEM majors than the number of STEM jobs available in our economy, and this has been the case since at least the NASDAQ crash of 1999. The result has been that many highly educated and experienced engineers and scientists in the U.S. are unable to find work in their field of study. If we keep increasing high tech immigration, the many Americans that are more than able to enter STEM fields will not continue to do so... why would they when it is obvious that corporate America preferentially hires cheaper foreign engineers and scientists, many of whom have little experience and aren't as qualified as the Americans they displace.

Green cards for people who are coming with capital to create jobs for people already living here legally should be welcomed.

Dave Brat and Ron Paul understand what is needed to get Americans back to work, while Senator Rand Paul who supports increasing high tech immigration and providing a pathway to citizenship for illegals, is among those who apparently don't... or he is just pandering to Silicon Valley and other cheap labor corporate lobbyists for campaign funds.

If we had a free market economy, there would be plenty of jobs created for Americans and those who want to come here to work... but we don't have a free market economy. Applying free market principles to labor without also applying free market principles to corporate America results in millions unemployed and under paid as we currently have.

Scott

What about the

30 million or more that have already invaded our country, contributing to our failing health care system, failing schools, unastabible welfare system, higher crime, destruction of jobs for Americans, and the economic hit we all have to pay, so they can free load? The number one objective needs to be cut off the 'welfare/social systems' to all that have entered illegally. Then we will see who really wants to work and who is here for free loading? I could tell you hundreds of stories, many learned from the illegals themselve, like they encourage their relatives and friends to come to America to receive all the free services, and they don't really have to work. Also, my brothers neighbor is a nurse at a Middle School, who told him she deals with tons of girls as young as 12 yrs old becoming pregnant. She has confered with many of them who tell her 'their parents tell them to find a boy to have sex, so they can get pregnant and get more free welfare'. One only needs to look to California, to see how this practice has turned a once wealthy state, into a state teetering on bankruptcy. Here's an excellent video telling the true agenda by the Globalist/NWO/Zionists/Marxist or what ever their allegence resides, aka a Totalitarian Corporatist State. It even includes a part by Judge Napalitano stating how Obama is direlict of duty in obsconding from our laws and even encouraging them to invade our country.
http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/06/america-in-bi...

Agreed. This problem largely

Agreed. This problem largely started with Johnson's "Great Society". Welfare MUST be slowly eliminated so EVERYONE must work, save, or starve without the need for documentation and monitoring. "Securing our borders" means much more than physical security as it implies removing attractors. Governments need to get out of the way of productive Americans employing other Americans.

A lot definition on the

A lot depending on the implementation of documentation and monitoring ...

Grover Norquist & Rand Paul

I think the fact that Grover Norquist is involved in this immigration reform discussion is important because tax policy is his wheelhouse. The US would have to become even more of a police state than it is now to deport all 11 million illegal aliens. Therefore, the first order of business should be to secure the borders and that should be done by bringing all US troops home from Afghanistan not in 2016 but NOW, and have them patrol the border. After securing the border the second task should be to require all illegal aliens to register with the states where they reside and/or with the federal government in order to obtain resident foreign worker status. Then they should all be forced to go the the back of the legal immigration line and pay a higher penalty tax rate than US citizens pay. After they become naturalized citizens their tax rate can go down to the same rates that US citizens pay. All illegal aliens that refuse to register should then be deported aggressively.

Ed Rombach

One might argue that the tax only applies to "resident aliens"

in the first place...

I see a lot of bashing

I see a lot of bashing and saying Rand is losing people's support. Should he care if he loses some of your support? Our high and mighty ideals failed to even come close to electing Ron Paul twice!

Rand needs to expand his support and that means being willing to work with others and forming coalitions.

Not only that, but all we know is that he participated in a phone call. Stop assuming you know what his intentions are.

The reality is that we need to do something about the illegals that are here. I'm a naturalized citizen, but I feel just as offended as many of you by people cutting in line, coming here illegally, and expecting us to look past their law-breaking entry.

The reality is we can't just send all those people back. We need to find a way to get them legal status for those that are here making positive contributions to our society and economy. I just wouldn't allow them to become citizens if they entered illegally, at least not for a long time, like after 20-30 years of legal residence.

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Brilliant political move on Rand's part.

I think Rank Paul realizes that Congress and the Obama regime have no intention of closing the borders...so it doesn't matter what kind of "reform" he supports (up to and including any form of amnesty). He can easily score political points by being supportive of some kind of normalization, but when the time comes, he will veto any legislation that doesn't control the border first.

I have a friend in Canada who is trying to move here to be with her American fiance. If you make the effort to do everything legally, you are pretty much treated like dirt. It's no wonder to me that people try to come here illegally, when the legal route is so expensive, frustrating, and unfair, and can take YEARS.

For me, it's all in the details. I'd be OK with non-citizenship amnesty. If we actually controlled the borders, ended birthright citizenship, dismantled all forms of welfare/social programs/freebies (psst...we won't...so ALL of this discussion is a totally moot point) and illegals who want to stay here pay a huge fine, never qualify for any federally funded social programs, never qualify for citizenship (getting only a form of permanent residency instead), can't ever vote or run for federal office, get deported immediately and permanently with a felony conviction, and their children do not automatically earn US citizenship.

"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid." - Ronald Reagan

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My Sentiments Exactly!

I went through the Fiancé Visa process myself, so I too know exactly why people just choose to walk across the border! It took over a year to go through the process, and I was treated like dirt and not even allowed into the Immigration building for an appointment because the security guard had never seen the process done legally before, and was confused by the legal paperwork. Even the Manager said I was the first one he had ever seen in the building do it the right way.

Rand just lost any chance he had

To win the GOP nod

He is getting pummeled in the comments sections of the most anti-establishment sites like Breitbart

Run Ron Run !

I want Ron,there is no one even close. I would stand and physically protect him with my own life. He is the greatest American of our time.